João Miranda de Souza Filho

[J..]

28 ++ but position CB ,, not Striker or Midfielder ..
Calm bro calm..
we already buy young Murillo at CB too.. blivious:

its not good too reliable our defense with young CB

Barcelona = Mathieu 31 , Pique 28 , Mascherano 31
RM = pepe 32 , ramos 28 , varane 22
Bayern = benatia 28 , dante 31 , boateng 26
Chelsea = CAhill 29 , Terry 34..
Rube = Barzagli 34 , Bonucci 28 , Cheilini 30 ..

still wanna buy under-23 CB ? :troll: :troll:

You are comparing us with the best clubs in the world? Take a look on our players and our results for the last couple of years. Let us compare us self with Dortmund and Juventus when they came back to Serie A. Teams that have been rebuilding and not the best teams atm. This is just stupid.

 

[PHM1605]

28 ++ but position CB ,, not Striker or Midfielder ..
Calm bro calm..
we already buy young Murillo at CB too.. blivious:

its not good too reliable our defense with young CB

Barcelona = Mathieu 31 , Pique 28 , Mascherano 31
RM = pepe 32 , ramos 28 , varane 22
Bayern = benatia 28 , dante 31 , boateng 26
Chelsea = CAhill 29 , Terry 34..
Rube = Barzagli 34 , Bonucci 28 , Cheilini 30 ..

still wanna buy under-23 CB ? :troll: :troll:

None of them buy 31yo defenders with 15m+ price. Also compare the difference in financial power between them and us

 

[Sqnalkel]

and while we're at it, fuck you ausilio. if we spend 40 mill on imbula and miranda this mercato, i really dont know what to say. how is any of this financially healthy? what happens if we miss out on Champions League next season (which is quite possible)? even so, 70 mill from group stages wont cover it, thats for sure.

If we only get Miranda and Imbula, and fail to get Kondogbia, it's not if we miss out on Champions League next season, we're gonna miss Champions League next season, unless all the teams competing for the spot collapse around us, and everything goes right for us, which hasn't happen since the Treble, and before that probably since the 60s, so no fucking chance at all.

TBH I am sick of our so called cheap smart deals. What did they bring us? Last summer we made so many non risk transfers yet we are basically still searching players for nearly every position cause they didn't bring us quality.

If Miranda has 3 years in him, that's a good thing. You can't plan with a footballer more than 5 years anyway in todays football world. 3 years are a long time. Look at our team 3 years ago. At least we bought quality. We can concentrate on other transfers and hopefully don't need to search for a defender next year.

I call it a sign of ambition.

What cheap deals? Most people against Miranda's deal are asking us to spend a lot of money on top quality instead of this. For example I'm asking us to spend Miranda+Imbula money on only Kondogbia instead, what's cheap about that.

 

[qb4ever_2k]

Are you sure Kondogbia is that good? Or Imbula is that terrible?

 

[bandiera]

TBH I am sick of our so called cheap smart deals. What did they bring us? Last summer we made so many non risk transfers yet we are basically still searching players for nearly every position cause they didn't bring us quality.

If Miranda has 3 years in him, that's a good thing. You can't plan with a footballer more than 5 years anyway in todays football world. 3 years are a long time. Look at our team 3 years ago. At least we bought quality. We can concentrate on other transfers and hopefully don't need to search for a defender next year.

I call it a sign of ambition.

What were the cheap smart deals that we have ever made? The last one I can think of was D'Ambrosio, but even our offer (2.5 mill + half of Benassi) was too much b/c his contract was expiring in 6 months. Medel and Dodo for 20 mill isnt cheap or smart. And Vidic earns the most out of any player in the squad. 12 mill is a lot of money for a club in our current situation. Miranda may be a great buy, but that does not detract from whether or not we overpaid his market value.

You know what are some examples of cheap, smart deals? Barzagli for 600k. Pirlo and Pogba on bosmans. Castan for 5 mill. Gentilletti for 600k. Basta for 5 mill. Parolo for 3mill.

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If we only get Miranda and Imbula, and fail to get Kondogbia, it's not if we miss out on Champions League next season, we're gonna miss Champions League next season, unless all the teams competing for the spot collapse around us, and everything goes right for us, which hasn't happen since the Treble, and before that probably since the 60s, so no fucking chance at all.

this is not true. we dont need a squad of 11 current/future world class players to finish in the top 3 in Serie A. i mean fuck, with our team this season, we beat roma and lazio, two out of the three teams that qualified. with imbula, miranda, shaqiri, kovacic, icardi, handanovic etc., we are definitely in competition, no question. and no, other than the reble, the last time the squad didnt underperform was a lot less than fifty years ago.

 

[CoolMan44]

Exactly, our team is not as bad as people think.

Our main issue is the cover that the midfield provide to our defence. If you look at some of the teams that made the CL, Lazio aren't better than Inter in terms of players. Did they play better? Yes, but that's also due to their coach getting the best out of everyone, something Mancini hasn't done.

Keep in mind that in a lot of games, Lazio had to start Ciani/Cana who are hardly world class players, having a 36 year old Klose as a starter, etc. They have a good team, but Inter are definitely not bad enough squad wise to be 8th. Sampdoria have Mesbah and Silvestre in their defense, the same Silvestre we got rid of for peanuts, and their defense is the 5th best in the league.

Our problems are more with getting the best out of our players which Mancini hasn't done. Dropping Kovacic for not playing well but then keeping Juan playing every game even though he's had some awful games, trying Hernanes on the wing, consistently using that midfield of Guarin-Medel-Brozovic (our biggest problem in my opinion).

I really don't rate Mancini as a manager, this team should definitely be doing better. The fact is though that other coaches have failed with this team as well, so it's obviously on the management. Ideally, our players are not that great but they are good enough to challenge teams like Lazio for the CL, that's for sure. However, we waste too much money in players that are old/not worth how much we paid for them. Dodo was bought for Mazzari, but now, I doubt he'll ever get a game with Mancini (even if he wasn't injured).

 

[JJM]

Our squad under Mancio :

the preferred Mancio line up:

Handa
D'Ambro-Frog-JJ-Santon
Guarin-Medel-Brozo
Hernanes
Icardi-Palacio

Handa is class but if he gets frustrated... we saw it in the end of the season
D'Ambro- Average player,average at everything
Frog- a joke in my eyes, sorry fanboys
JJ-the second joke,better as a LB though or in a 3 man df.
Santon-Good when advancing,pretty shit at defending
Guarin- brain dead even though he scores a lot an assists too but costs us stability in mf so that's why we look clueless when defending...one of the reasons anyway
Medel- not starter material DM.He fights like a champ but his classiness is poor. Ok as a sub when defending a lead though.
Brozo- Croatian league is nothing compared to Italian and it showed a lot.
Hernanes-can make wow moments but is very wasteful and irritating otherwise.
Palacio- Good and important but is 34!
Icardi- Goal machine!

Kova- Mancini has issues with him clearly. However he is our best midfielder by a long margin. See Mancini sell him because he is inconsistent :lawl:
I hope not

Shaq- Had physical problems and didn't play as much as we hoped.

Vidic- unfamiliar to a 3man df so he looked shit,solid in a 4 man df with Mancini but is prone to brain farts due to decreasing speed.

Podolski- was here on vacation

Fringe players this season: Andreolli,Campa,Kuzkuz,Obi,Dodo,Gnoukouri,Puscas,Felipe,Nagatomo all the primavera kiddies.

Sorry but 8th place was very fair.
You people overrate our current squad. We have some promising kids now but the core is weak.

Lazio has Marchetti(good GK),De Vriij(talented df),Basta,Lulic,Biglia(better than any of our mf's atm),Candreva(very good player),Felipe Anderson(he was on CR like form at some point),Klose is class unlike Podolski still

 

[magnesium]

dear icardiscored..
our squad are new with mancini tactics..
and its too different with mazzari 3-5-2 tactics..

and one more ... too many mistakes on our defense...
its unfair blame brozo, shaqiri , santon , and podolski..
our current player are adapted with mancini tactics..
and our new player are adapted with mancini tactics + new teammate...
its hard to contain balance team..
its why we need pre season now...
to contain our tactics + our starting line up..
its clearly our next season will much much better cause Mancini had more time to "Manage" our squad.. :epicwin:

 

[Sqnalkel]

Are you sure Kondogbia is that good? Or Imbula is that terrible?

Imbula isn't terrible at all, he's really talented, right now around the level or even better than all our CMs with a high ceiling for development, he's just isn't a good DM, defensively he's even worse than Medel which is already bad enough. His passing I would say is a little worse than Medel but more direct and fast, on the other hand Medel long balls are better and more dangerous.

He will improve us defensively if he play as CM because he's better defensively than all our CMs, but we will still have a pretty weak midfield defensively since Medel would be our DM, which added to our fullbacks puts us in a terrible position.

What were the cheap smart deals that we have ever made? The last one I can think of was D'Ambrosio, but even our offer (2.5 mill + half of Benassi) was too much b/c his contract was expiring in 6 months. Medel and Dodo for 20 mill isnt cheap or smart. And Vidic earns the most out of any player in the squad. 12 mill is a lot of money for a club in our current situation. Miranda may be a great buy, but that does not detract from whether or not we overpaid his market value.

You know what are some examples of cheap, smart deals? Barzagli for 600k. Pirlo and Pogba on bosmans. Castan for 5 mill. Gentilletti for 600k. Basta for 5 mill. Parolo for 3mill.

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this is not true. we dont need a squad of 11 current/future world class players to finish in the top 3 in Serie A. i mean fuck, with our team this season, we beat roma and lazio, two out of the three teams that qualified. with imbula, miranda, shaqiri, kovacic, icardi, handanovic etc., we are definitely in competition, no question. and no, other than the reble, the last time the squad didnt underperform was a lot less than fifty years ago.

No, you don't need a team of worldclass players, and Kondogbia isn't worldclass either. But our team is very unbalanced, defensively our midfield is probably the worse of all the top teams, our fullbacks aren't good defensively neither offensively except for Nagatomo (who is isn't exactly great either) which makes it even easier for other teams to pressure our flanks because they don't have to worry about our fullbacks, and our CBs aren't the best and are shaky which added to the constant pressure they're on is a recipe for disaster.

Basically we urgently need a good defensive DM, which we hasn't had since Cambiasso, and a good fullback to balance to our team.

 

[Cal]

All this is just hindsight, FIF wouldn't have been happy in the slightest if we signed Basta for example. Juve had one very good summer, then everything fell into place from there, before that they made lot of shit transfers once they got back into Serie A

 

[Jerry]

good thing we have all these different threads for us to just discuss the exact same thing in blivious:

 

[enjoy]

Welcome Miranda

 

[Pravesh]

It is a big offer for a player who will be 31 soon but when giving a second thought, may be it was not an easy task for the management to find a quality experienced defender (not that old) who was willing to join Inter for around that budget.

It did seem that we were quite serious with Benatia (who would have cost us more but he is not that old), only for the club not willing to do the deal.

That being said, I am still worried about this transfer: he has finally shined at Athletico and one of the main reason could also be of the team tactic, as they play as a team. It won't be the same at Inter, unless it changes this season. Btw, how is he doing with his national team?

 

[bandiera]

All this is just hindsight, FIF wouldn't have been happy in the slightest if we signed Basta for example. Juve had one very good summer, then everything fell into place from there, before that they made lot of shit transfers once they got back into Serie A

are you saying that juve fucked up on the way so its okay we're fucking up right now? im not saying juve were perfect, but i will say that they made a significant effort to be financially responsible. they had a very patient gameplan. in fact, winning the scudetto in 11/12 was completely unexpected by agnelli and co. as was reaching the final of the champions league this season.

they made transfers like elia, diego, krasic, estigarribia, but they were only a part of a much bigger, patient vision. juve stayed financially healthy and built up the reward while maintaining the low risk. they did this by exploiting affordable serie a talent, people who were settled in italy and can get the job done in italian football - lichtsteiner, asamoah, vucinic, pereyra, padoin, giaccherini etc.. there were a few blips on the way (isla for one) but they had a low risk plan we do not have, and year by year they built up their expectations while staying financially healthy. they also exploited the nature of the market and had a lot of luck on their side with players like pirlo, vidal, pogba, tevez.

on the other hand, we're screwing ourselves with such a high risk blueprint that can either be godly or burn the entire club to ashes. i dont even see how any of this is even financially viable or fits into anything of a long term vision.

 

[Gaetan]

World class defenders CANNOT come at a cheap price, guys.

Excellent buy for a player who can stabilize the back four THIS SEASON. He is an absolute beast of a CB and gives our defense an immediate upgrade. Well done!


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[Sqnalkel]

World class defenders CANNOT come at a cheap price, guys.

Excellent buy for a player who can stabilize the back four THIS SEASON. He is an absolute beast of a CB and gives our defense an immediate upgrade. Well done!


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Miranda worldclass? WOW, there must be like 50 worldclass defenders.

 

[.h.]

People need to drop the world class obsession (I realise that's slightly ironic)

It's not like we're competing for the CL title, or even the league title. We're ju st trying to build a solid team. That means we need better defenders than Lazio, or Roma, or Napoli. Not better defenders than Barca, Bayern, or Chelsea.

 

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[Iron_Inter]

They say that he will renew the contract with Atletico just because we want to buy him in 3 installments, and this wouldn't be possible cause his contract expire in Jan. :notbad:

 

[wicked wizard]

People need to drop the world class obsession (I realise that's slightly ironic)

It's not like we're competing for the CL title, or even the league title. We're ju st trying to build a solid team. That means we need better defenders than Lazio, or Roma, or Napoli. Not better defenders than Barca, Bayern, or Chelsea.

If we keep our players and get a palacio replacement, we can challenge for the CL and even the title. And Chelsea,really? Terry and chaill?. Our defence will improve a lot with our new signings.