The Hip Hop Thread

[UhUhOleguer]

Well, it was a diss to the whole West Coast rap genre, atleast.

Where?? When??

He never disses the West Coast..

"A bitch n##### with an attitude named cube, steps to the com with a feud. Now what the fuck do I look like dissing a whole coast, you ain't making shit dope since America's most...
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I went from Chi to Cali, ###### gave me love"

etc.

he never dissed the West Coast....Listen to "bitch in yoo" man..

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these are the lyrics from "i used to love her"

he doesn't diss the west coast in any shape of form..

Now periodically I would see
ol girl at the clubs, and at the house parties
She didn't have a body but she started gettin thick quick
DId a couple of videos and became afrocentric
Out goes the weave, in goes the braids beads medallions
She was on that tip about, stoppin the violence
About my people she was teachin me
By not preachin to me but speakin to me
in a method that was leisurely, so easily I approached
She dug my rap, that's how we got close
But then she broke to the West coast, and that was cool
Cause around the same time, I went away to school
And I'm a man of expandin, so why should I stand in her way
She probably get her money in L.A.
And she did stud, she got big pub but what was foul
She said that the pro-black, was goin out of style
She said, afrocentricity, was of the past
So she got into R&B hip-house bass and jazz
Now black music is black music and it's all good
I wasn't salty, she was with the boys in the hood
Cause that was good for her, she was becomin well rounded
I thought it was dope how she was on that freestyle shit
Just havin fun, not worried about anyone
And you could tell, by how her titties hung

Verse Three:

I might've failed to mention that this chick was creative
But once the man got you well he altered her native
Told her if she got an image and a gimmick
that she could make money, and she did it like a dummy
Now I see her in commercials, she's universal
She used to only swing it with the inner-city circle
Now she be in the burbs lickin rock and dressin hip
And on some dumb shit, when she comes to the city
Talkin about poppin glocks servin rocks and hittin switches
Now she's a gangsta rollin with gangsta bitches
Always smokin blunts and gettin drunk
Tellin me sad stories, now she only fucks with the funk
Stressin how hardcore and real she is
She was really the realest, before she got into showbiz
I did her, not just to say that I did it
But I'm committed, but so many niggaz hit it
That she's just not the same lettin all these groupies do her
I see niggaz slammin her, and takin her to the sewer
But I'ma take her back hopin that the shit stop
Cause who I'm talkin bout y'all is hip-hop

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and that's from "bitch in yoo"

A bitch nigga wit an attitude named Cube
Step to Com wit a feud
Now what the fuck I look like dissing a whole coast
You ain't made shit dope since AmeriKKKa's Most
Wanted to cease from the Midwest to the East

Rap career is over, better off acting
What trouble I see, you're managing WC and Wack 10
You backed in to a four corner hustla
Lying on your dick, said you was fuckin her
Use Higher Learning, don't take my words out of text
Went from gangsta to Islam to the dick of Das EFX
It'll take the Nation of Millions to Hold Me Back
From giving you mouth shots or hit wit the pipe Ralph got
When sucker ain't around, it's your Friday, it was good
I wasn't salty, she was wit the Boyz N the Hood

This ain't no East coast, West coast, none of the above
I'm from Chi, I went to Cali, niggaz gave me love
There's a thin line between the fake and the real
Grafted ass nigga, I see through your Glass Shield
Had skills once upon a time on this project, yo
I'm a have ta wreck a Ho'shea
I heard a ho say you her favorite rapper
(So what) so I had to slap her, ugn
And violate you, a Muslim drinking brew
Your nigga ain't no Mack 10, he's a 22
I seen you, you ain't say shit to ATL
Cube, I like that diamond charm, I might cuff it, then sell
It out, like you sold Kam and Threat
A year ago, you wasn't talking shit about the West
Guess you knew you're shit was done plus the one got you cable
Hoo Bangin, you ain't banging shit but the table
And the Circle Madd, ain't got no choice but to fight
Ain't none of y'all muthafukas got a chance on the mic
Anytime you come out, yo, I'm a talk about you
Until you let that bitch in you, walk up out you
Any last words before I hit the switch
From the immortal words of one, a bitch is a bitch

 

[Gaetan]

"A bitch n##### with an attitude named cube, steps to the com with a feud. Now what the fuck do I look like dissing a whole coast, you ain't making shit dope since America's most...

etc.

he never dissed the West Coast....Listen to "bitch in yoo" man..

I clearly understand that he dissed the Westside Connection on that song, but that wasn't where it all started or begun.

these are the lyrics from "i used to love her"

he doesn't diss the west coast in any shape of form..

Maybe you should go listen to the song again. He does diss the West Coast throughout the song because he explains how Hip Hop has evolved into money, thugs, bitches, etc. He uses a woman that he loved to describe his feelings about Hip Hop and even directly says that she changed when she moved to the West Coast. Hence this line:

But then she broke to the West coast, and that was cool
Cause around the same time, I went away to school
And I'm a man of expandin, so why should I stand in her way
She probably get her money in L.A.

So, obviously, the roots of Hip Hop according to Common were founded in the East Coast and expanded to the West. Thus, he went on to describe this "lady" in the following verse:

Talkin about poppin glocks servin rocks and hittin switches
Now she's a gangsta rollin with gangsta bitches
Always smokin blunts and gettin drunk

Just in his tone and whole flow, you could tell that he was speaking of her (Hip Hop)'s transition negatively. In comparison to at the beggining of the song when he claims that she wasn't about the money, he respected her and originally, she blew because of emcees in New York City's parks.

This ain't no East coast, West coast, none of the above

So, he disses both Ice Cube and his crew and the whole West Coast swagger in BOTH songs, IMO. One directly, and the other he was witty and indirect about it. But this isn't what the fuss is about, I'm trying to show you that I Used To Love H.E.R WAS indeed a diss to West Coast rap, in fact, it was a HUGE one and blows "The Bitch In You" out of the water, IMO.

That's got nothing to do with the fact that throughout the song he explains how Hip Hop has changed and that he directly states that it's become all about glory, gangstas, etc. This is all you need to know about how he felt about Hip Hop and West Side at the time he put out I Used To Love H.E.R :

She was really the realest, before she got into showbiz
I did her, not just to say that I did it
But I'm committed, but so many niggaz hit it
That she's just not the same lettin all these groupies do her
I see niggaz slammin her, and takin her to the sewer
But I'ma take her back hopin that the shit stop
Cause who I'm talkin bout y'all is hip-hop

This is his whole concept of his Resurrection album all in a nutshell, really.

 

[UhUhOleguer]

So, obviously, the roots of Hip Hop according to Common were founded in the East Coast and expanded to the West. Thus, he went on to describe this "lady" in the following verse:

Just in his tone and whole flow, you could tell that he was speaking of her (Hip Hop)'s transition negatively. In comparison to at the beggining of the song when he claims that she wasn't about the money, he respected her and originally, she blew because of emcees in New York City's parks.



So, he disses both Ice Cube and his crew and the whole West Coast swagger in BOTH songs, IMO. One directly, and the other he was witty and indirect about it. But this isn't what the fuss is about, I'm trying to show you that I Used To Love H.E.R WAS indeed a diss to West Coast rap, in fact, it was a HUGE one and blows "The Bitch In You" out of the water, IMO.

That's got nothing to do with the fact that throughout the song he explains how Hip Hop has changed and that he directly states that it's become all about glory, gangstas, etc. This is all you need to know about how he felt about Hip Hop and West Side at the time he put out I Used To Love H.E.R :

LOOOOOL! Man..puhlease..

Yeah..the roots of hiphop are in New York..like no shit!

He dissed Cube because he brought the whole "East Coast - West Coast" thing into it.

"I'm from Chi, I went to CALI, niggaz gave me love"(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

From what I know, CALI is still California. Why should he diss the west coast, when they "gave him love"..

I used to love HER is something metaphorical, you don't know really until the last line he is talking about hiphop. Money, bling etc. and the whole other BS was also with Hammer and later with Puff, Ice-T, whole Fresh Records crew around Big Daddy Kane etc. Does he also diss Jodeci, because he sings about Rap going R&B?

And Cube wasn't the west coast, or the whole west coast. he ain't even really dissing Gangsta Rap.

The whole "Bitch in Yoo" song is a diss against Ice Cube and westside connection, because he brought the east coast-west coast thing into it. That's why he is a bitch. LOOOOL!

Seriously man...how can I prove this to you?? Should I get you Common for an interview??

 

[Gaetan]

Seriously man...how can I prove this to you?? Should I get you Common for an interview??

Actually, I've watched a documentary called BEEF (it has three episodes and has been on BET before) and Common was on as a flashback saying that he went to Compton himself to perform I Used To Love Her, stating that this was Ice Cube's backyard and that he was scared shitless.

That's proof enough to back up what I find in this song, man.

 

[UhUhOleguer]

Actually, I've watched a documentary called BEEF (it has three episodes and has been on BET before) and Common was on as a flashback saying that he went to Compton himself to perform I Used To Love Her, stating that this was Ice Cube's backyard and that he was scared shitless.

That's proof enough to back up what I find in this song, man.

Yeah...because Cube had turned it into a East Coast West Coast thing and some people might have believed that. I don't need a documentary on BET for that. I was about 14 when the track was released.

Btw. Cube ain't form Compton, he is from Crenshaw. The guy even has a degree in Architecture, his parents were UCLA employees. The guy is as Gangsta as I am.


here

Ice Cube vs Common: Ice Cube interpreted the Common song I Used To Love H.E.R. (which details the history of hip hop through an elaborate extended metaphor) as disrespectful towards the West Coast's contribution to hip hop. In response, Cube, along with his crew The Westside Connection, released "Westside Slaughter House," which included a Common Sense diss. Common responded with the track "The Bitch In Yoo", but the two MCs reconciled soon after.

http://www.answers.com/topic/hip-hop-rivalries

 

[Gaetan]

Btw. Cube ain't form Compton, he is from Crenshaw. The guy even has a degree in Architecture, his parents were UCLA employees. The guy is as Gangsta as I am.

I don't care where Cube is from, my point is NWA's own backyard is clearly considered Compton. If you want to pull out quotes, I'll feed you one two. Straight Out Of Compton, 1989.

Straight outta Compton, crazy motherfucker named Ice Cube
From the gang called Niggaz With Attitudes
When I'm called off, I got a sawed off
Squeeze the trigger, and bodies are hauled off

http://www.ohhla.com/anonymous/nwa/straight/straight.nwa.txt

Ice Cube vs Common: Ice Cube interpreted the Common song I Used To Love H.E.R. (which details the history of hip hop through an elaborate extended metaphor) as disrespectful towards the West Coast's contribution to hip hop. In response, Cube, along with his crew The Westside Connection, released "Westside Slaughter House," which included a Common Sense diss. Common responded with the track "The Bitch In Yoo", but the two MCs reconciled soon after.

Hell, they re-conciled and all that, but if Ice Cube took it as a diss to him or his genre, you simply cannot tell me that my theory has no substance. If your a West Coast rapper you should interpret it as a diss because "details the history of hip hop through an elaborate extended metaphor" from Common certainly weren't things to be fond of. Cube found this song to be "disrespectful towards the West Coast's contribution to hip hop" because it WAS. He didn't just use his imagination or something, dude.

I've heard enough from Common's part and I'm 18 years despite all this being before my era. I definately don't need answers.com to confirm what's happened. If you had watched the documentary I told you of, you'd know all this was covered.

 

[catanha]

what happened was that for the sake of NWA, Cube was given the Compton persona, but that takes nothing away from his lyrics and his rap style, I couldn't give a fark what persona he put on, there is no better lyricist than Cube in the 90's. The entire Eazy Duz it album was written by Cube as well.

Cube vs Common was because Cube thought the line in the Common song mentioned was disrespectful because the girl was fine until she came to California, so he thought it was a shot at the West Coast. He ripped Common apart, Common is not a battle rapper and was way out of his league, stupid of him to even try and go at Cube, this is the guy that killed NWA.

End of the day, with no power in the West Coast rap game, the only loser is the entire rap game. Hip hop was its best when the West Coast was controlling things.

 

[Gaetan]

what happened was that for the sake of NWA, Cube was given the Compton persona, but that takes nothing away from his lyrics and his rap style, I couldn't give a fark what persona he put on, there is no better lyricist than Cube in the 90's. The entire Eazy Duz it album was written by Cube as well.

Totally agree. I never said nor cared where Cube was from, however, his whole agenda with NWA was clearly Compton. You know?

Cube vs Common was because Cube thought the line in the Common song mentioned was disrespectful because the girl was fine until she came to California, so he thought it was a shot at the West Coast. He ripped Common apart, Common is not a battle rapper and was way out of his league, stupid of him to even try and go at Cube, this is the guy that killed NWA.

And rightfully so. Throughout the whole song, Common was indeed bashing Hip Hop for being used all over the nation, specifically West Coast. What we were now discussing that this was indeed a diss to the West Coast genre by Common and that Cube was standing up for his types for a reason. It wasn't a coincidence.

End of the day, with no power in the West Coast rap game, the only loser is the entire rap game. Hip hop was its best when the West Coast was controlling things.

Fair enough. But, that is just your opinion.

 

[catanha]

when do you think hip hop was at its best, Gaetan? I'm interested as I know you have a wide range of of hip hop like and am wondering what you think about hip hop these days.

As I said, when the likes of Eazy, Cube, Dre, Too Short, Ice T, Tupac were at their prime, hip hop was magic.
Now, it is represented by a love game show attending, tongue ring wearing, butterfly tatooed clown like Game.

 

[Gaetan]

That's a tricky question that I rather stay away from to avoid any discussion that I know I cannot back up. However, I enjoy listening to pure emcees and there are plenty. Hip Hop has lost it's mainstreem swagger, but that's all that I feel that is greatly lost.

Common, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Jay-Z, Nas are all here to listen to and I enjoy them most. I do like my NWA fix and listen to some of old stuff consisting of them, Public Enemy, Run DMC, KRS-One and LL Cool J but that was before I started following Hip Hop so it's not like I can complain that much.

Game is a fool, btw. His whole G-Unot gimmick has gotten old. Respect, catanha!

 

[Choppin Onions]

End of the day, with no power in the West Coast rap game, the only loser is the entire rap game. Hip hop was its best when the West Coast was controlling things.

Completely agree. I grew up on Snoop, Dogg Pound, Ice Cube and 'Pac and it's tough to see how far the West has sunk nowadays. That's when rap was real and not about how many records you sold. Even good stuff was coming out of the East at the time.

Now almost every rapper puts on this fake tough-guy image and drops songs like "Candy Shop". :yuck:

BTW Catanha you heard Lil Easy's diss at Game "Coming from Compton"?

 

[snake]

Public Enemy are still live n kickin.

There last couple of albums were class, I still love those guys. They still rap about the real.

And the days of the row are over, we've always known that.

Lets just hope Dre makes detox as good as the Chronic, and lets hope people like the Game/Em are featered all over the album:stuckup:

 

[catanha]

BTW Catanha you heard Lil Easy's diss at Game "Coming from Compton"?

Think I have, was very happy Eazy made the track because Game was talking crap about how Eazy was using his fathers publicity as a way of trying to get in the game, laughable considering Game has on numerous times referred to meeting Eazy E and on the Documentary DVD went to Eazy's crib with Lil'Eazy.

question (or request) to the hip hop fans in this forum; helal, milanhater, oleguer, gaetan or anyone else....

catanha is bored of listening to the same old same old in his ipod, so he wants to buy (okay fine, download) one album, give me some albums.......it doesn't have to be old, can be pretty new (helal, tried to get crooked I, but nothing on him).....so thats my request.
please try and make it something other than 'dirty south" music though.

 

[UhUhOleguer]

catanha is bored of listening to the same old same old in his ipod, so he wants to buy (okay fine, download) one album, give me some albums.......it doesn't have to be old, can be pretty new (helal, tried to get crooked I, but nothing on him).....so thats my request.
please try and make it something other than 'dirty south" music though.

About best period of Rap...

to me it's the era between 1991-1996 or something, with Premier kicking it in the east coast, Tribe Called Quest, Dre, EPMD, the whole Pete Rock & CL Smooth thing, and two of the greatest albums ever dropped, Illmatic and Ready to Die.

The last hiphop album I bought and really really liked was The Minstrel Show by Little Brother. If you dig the whole Tribe Called Quest, Pete Rock & CL flavour thing, you should like it.

Otherwise, wait for the new Nas album to drop.

 

[catanha]

agreed regarding the period, that was when West Coast was on top and there was a bit of everything, great East Coast (KRS, Rakim) and I remember listening to The Low End theory just about every night after it came out for weeks.

re: little brother, I have heard a lot about them, I'd say it would suit me as from what I've heard, their attitude is similar to mine (fuck mainstream, more positive music)....

will wait to hear from our Lebanese friend helal, Gaetan the Cuban & Milanhater.

 

[snake]

Only album i roughly enjoyed form this year is,
Champ Bailey - Self Titled
Not as good as some of his mixtapes but still good.


Older stuff:

Jacka - Self Titled
Sky Balla (2005)

Gangsta Dre - Stand & Deliver
Reek Daddy - Wreak Havoc

Hollow Tip - Takin No Shortz Part 2 (class)
Lost Children of Babylon - The 911 Report

All great, however there all post 2000. Theres other classics before that time, just wont go through them now.

 

[catanha]

oh yeah, forgot to mention.....please try and make these downloadable (if the album is very rare, doubt many people will have the file to share)..

nice list helal.

at the moment, I'd say hollow tip is a good consideration, but I've been trying for hours to get some mf doom, brother ali, jedi mind tricks and there are hardly any files of them, seems the same with hollow tip.

 

[snake]

JMT and Nubian:star:

I have Hollow Tip and many others, i use to collect like a madman.


If you need something i have it isnt hard to get it to you considering you live 20 minutes away

 

[catanha]

If you need something i have it isnt hard to get it to you considering you live 20 minutes away

back in my day, we only egged peoples houses, what is up with this toilet role sh1t?

and I know its you...

 

[snake]

back in my day, we only egged peoples houses, what is up with this toilet role sh1t?

and I know its you...

lol mate this is my 3rd year since I finished year 12, if you want to blame anyone, blame Marcello