La Curva Nord

[TheNetworkZ]

I'm not sure what is more idiotic - Racism, or ultras being racist to opposition players when they have black players on their own team.

He's also French. Racism isn't always hating on another skin colour.

 

[Mariella]

I'm not sure what is more idiotic - Racism, or ultras being racist to opposition players when they have black players on their own team.

Especially when the club they support is actually called 'Internazionale'. They don't even recognize their own hypocrisy when it's kicking them in the face.

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He's also French. Racism isn't always hating on another skin colour.

French is his nationality. It has nothing to do with his race.

If the CN is being banned for racism, then they weren't abusing him for his nationality. They were abusing him for the color of his skin. A very big difference.

 

[TheNetworkZ]

What hahahaha? I really hope that's not what you believe.

 

[Mariella]

You truly believe the Curva Nord were abusing him because he's French?




...And you're laughing at me?

 

[TheNetworkZ]

No, if that's what you think racism is.

 

[Mariella]

So you think that 'French' is actually a race of people?

 

[TheNetworkZ]

Lmao smh.

So if I get abused by someone for being Italian, that's not racism? So is it okay for all those who are Caucasian to make fun of and abuse each other? That wouldn't be racism because they're all white?

 

[thatdude]

Color of skin or ethnicity = racism. Country of origin = nationalism or something along those lines.

 

[Jerry]

I was at the game and heard "ape" noises from the Curva. Does anyone know if that's what they got banned for?

A couple of dudes had inflatable bananas, as well, but surely that can't be it.

The tradition of the curvas is a beautiful part of Italian football, but a lot of our "fans" are fucking idiots. Does every big club in Italy have as many different (rival?) supporters groups? Seems like all our groups are more interested in displaying and glorifying their own name than that of Inter.

Are other curvas more of a united front, so to speak? I entered at Gate 1 next to the CN entrance and saw a decent amount of fascist iconography in Inter colors. Kind of creeped me out tbh.

 

[Mariella]

Lmao smh.

So if I get abused by someone for being Italian, that's not racism? So is it okay for all those who are Caucasian to make fun of and abuse each other? That wouldn't be racism because they're all white?

Uh... no, it's not.

It's Italophobia- the fear or hatred of Italian people or culture. A hatred of people based on where they're from/who their ancestors are, regardless of their skin color. It's a specific ethnicity, not a race. If you really are claiming that the Curva Nord were abusing Pogba because he's French, then there's a word for that too: Francophobia.

Are you seriously claiming that CN targeted Pogba in order to make Francophobic chants? Please. They targeted him for the color of his skin, not his cultural background.

 

[Kakaroto]

I was at the game and heard "ape" noises from the Curva. Does anyone know if that's what they got banned for?

A couple of dudes had inflatable bananas, as well, but surely that can't be it.

The tradition of the curvas is a beautiful part of Italian football, but a lot of our "fans" are fucking idiots. Does every big club in Italy have as many different (rival?) supporters groups? Seems like all our groups are more interested in displaying and glorifying their own name than that of Inter.

Are other curvas more of a united front, so to speak? I entered at Gate 1 next to the CN entrance and saw a decent amount of fascist iconography in Inter colors. Kind of creeped me out tbh.

It is well known that a significant segment of the Inter curva are fascist. They even have a friendship with Lazio's curva based on that.

 

[TheNetworkZ]

Uh... no, it's not.

It's Italophobia- the fear or hatred of Italian people or culture. A hatred of people based on where they're from/who their ancestors are. It's a specific ethnicity, not race. If you really are claiming that the Curva Nord were abusing Pogba because he's French, then there's a word for that too: Francophobia.

Are you seriously claiming that CN targeted Pogba in order to make Francophobic chants? Please. They targeted him for the color of his skin, not his cultural background.

Again, I wasn't fucking claiming that. I said it was a possibility.

And I'm not even going to acknowledge what you said above that. It's racism, not "italophobia" ffs.

 

[Mariella]

Again, I wasn't fucking claiming that. I said it was a possibility.

They were targeting him with monkey chants. So no, it's not a possibility.

And I'm not even going to acknowledge what you said above that. It's racism, not "italophobia" ffs.

Italian is not a race. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

 

[TGDella]

Worth mentioning that while I agree with Mariella, you have to remember that just as 'race' as a concept is culturally constructed and not biologically based, so the idea of 'racism' is subjective to some extent and defined slightly differently depending on the culture you come from. As a half-Italian who has lived in the UK and the US, I can tell you that most Italians have a slightly *ahem* different notion of what constitutes racism as is held in the American mainstream (obviously the attitude of certain quarters/individuals in the US is a different matter). To be clear, I'm not saying Italians are racist, just that "racism" as a term has different connotations in a largely white southern european country to what it has in a nation with a recent history of slavery, segregation, and then a Civil Rights movement.


Anyway, this is seriously threatening the 'no politics' rule so I think a better point of discussion is whether the punishment is correct. I absolutely think that punishment for racist chants (or indeed, xenophobic/nationalist ones if they happened to be present) is necessary, but individual stadium bans would be more effective than curva closure, which acts to solidify the 'us vs. them', real fans vs. corporate/federation arseholes mentality while also negatively impacting on the atmosphere for players and other supporters.

 

[Kazaan]

I would add that when black people abuse white people on racial grounds it's not racism (in some countries) because there's no institutional support and tradition of abuse. It's a discrimination, but not racism. Just because it's racial or discriminatory doesn't mean it's racist. The same with women and men. It's not sexism if women do it. That's why TheNetworkZ is not completely wrong imo.

 

[Jerry]

 

[Pimpin]

So in a discussion thread about the Curva you want us to not discuss the Curva?


As for what I expect? Common sense? I expect them to make a lot of noise and make it a difficult place for opposition teams to play at (which they did a shitty job of). I expect them to realise that there are simple rules that are in place for racism and that the curva will be closed if they break those rules. I don't care if they are racist. They can go be racist at their homes or their weekly aryan brotherhood meetings or something

no this is not a discussion, its bashing.


I think people are just pussies, u can call Chielini an orangutan I will laugh and I will hi5 u, u can call bale a fucking monkey and ill do the same. Whole world calls these two monkeys, try doing that with a black player.

 

[Ed.]

Let's just be honest. Everyone in this world including every single member in FIF has some sort of racism. We grow with it, it is at the back of our mind. It is part of our natural instinct as animals to survive against others.

Every culture, every race has their own slurs to insult others. For example, in some chinese cultures calling the black people as black devil and calling caucasian as red fur monkey.

Black people has surely done as much racial abuse to caucasian and other races in their home ground. It is just that their countries are under developed so people have some sort of pity to them.

Caucasians also have not only racially abused black people. I have been abused racially at my work place countless times until I get so used to it that I actually made fun of it.

Many caucasians and blacks in Asian countries are insulted and discriminated too.

For fun: I sometimes don't get why black people are offended being called monkeys, because monkeys are not black. Monkeys mostly are either brown, red or grey. Gorilla is black.

This is not an issue if you don't make it as an issue and that's the only way to suppress this issue.

 

[TheNetworkZ]

They were targeting him with monkey chants. So no, it's not a possibility.


Italian is not a race. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

You're a moron. By this logic white-on-white and black-on-black racism isn't a thing. There are other factors beside the colour of someones skin like their language and customs.

You don't think being called a yankee, or me being called a wop is racist? What about English calling the Scots names like 'jocks' or whatever?

Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

 

[TGDella]

Black people has surely done as much racial abuse to caucasian and other races in their home ground. It is just that their countries are under developed so people have some sort of pity to them.