Gianluca Scamacca

[varmin]

Scamacca will be ok at Inter if he stays fit. He won't be the main forward, so there will be not so much pressure on him to score regularly. He gets along with Frattesi as well. If he and Thuram score 10 goals each in the league, this still will be more than Lukaku+Dzeko last season (they had 19 goals total).

 

[Wobblz]

Abysmal in every team? This is what you claim and then you cherrypick the only season in which his ratio is poor. And even then you fail to mention the fact that in Europe he scored five goals in nine games. Or that in many games he was a sub.

Last three season he’s played in a mid table team in a tough league. So instead of cherrypicking, I take the whole time into account. He’s played 4434 minutes and scored 27 goals. That’s one goal per 164 minutes. If that’s abysmal, then every striker in Serie A for that period is abysmal, apart from Lautaro and Immobile, who are slightly above abysmal at around one goal per 130 minutes or so.

Why overcomplicate things... Those numbers look shit. And yes, he's 24, but he's 24, not 18. I understand that West Ham wouldn't want to offload him if he was good for them but he still rests on the laurels of that season with Sassuolo. Who knows if he can actually replicate it, or he'll be yet another Correa.


Similar players - nobodies. Maybe because their looking at last season but those stats are per 90 anyway.

 

[Johnny Ludlow]

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Why overcomplicate things... Those numbers look shit. And yes, he's 24, but he's 24, not 18. I understand that West Ham wouldn't want to offload him if he was good for them but he still rests on the laurels of that season with Sassuolo. Who knows if he can actually replicate it, or he'll be yet another Correa.

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Similar players - nobodies. Maybe because their looking at last season but those stats are per 90 anyway.

My aim was not to overcomplicate things but rather be as simple and straightforward as possible.

This method of looking at goals per minutes played indicated that Scamacca has actually been effective. One goal per 164 minutes equals to goal in every two games, if we assume that a starting striker plays 82 minutes per game on average. And that’s an average taken from three seasons, so hardly a fluke.

To put things into perspective, even this three season average is better than Beto, Giroud, Nzola, Leao or Lookman only last season! That is, Serie A top scorers behind Osimhen and Lautaro. Last season Dia scored one goal per 157 minutes, so his great season barely beats this Scamacca average. And he was third best scorer in Serie A last season. If we look at only Scamacca’s two Serie A seasons, he comfortably beats even Dia’s numbers.

Goals per minutes is the best measure of how effective a striker is. Saying he is ineffective is simply not true.

 

[PHM1605]

We are buying the current Scamacca, not him two years ago. Last season should weigh the most. Before knee injuries is very different from after, look at Chiesa, not even 50% of himselves.

Your "three years" is called selective statistics at its best. Pick Schick's number 20-21 and 21-22 seasons he could eat Scamacca for breakfast but it is currently ofc retarded to bring him.

Scamacca current profile worth at most a severe discount, to gamble and hope somehow he regains his form. Instead we are making profit in West Ham's book. Imagine someone gifting us profit for Correa now...

 

[Johnny Ludlow]

We are buying the current Scamacca, not him two years ago. Last season should weigh the most. Before knee injuries is very different from after, look at Chiesa, not even 50% of himselves.

Your "three years" is called selective statistics at its best. Pick Schick's number 20-21 and 21-22 seasons he could eat Scamacca for breakfast but it is currently ofc retarded to bring him.

Scamacca current profile worth at most a severe discount, to gamble and hope somehow he regains his form. Instead we are making profit in West Ham's book. Imagine someone gifting us profit for Correa now...

How is it selective? It’s his whole career on top level! My post was an answer to the claim that he’s always been ineffective. I was especially fair to NOT select any one period as a counter argument but leniently took his whole career stats into account. And still you say that I am being selective. This is highly frustrating.

It’s a different conversation altogether how much injury have affected his game. That was not the topic. If it was, I would point out that taking Chiesa to this conversation as if to prove something is very selective. Right?

 

[PHM1605]

How is it selective? It’s his whole career on top level! My post was an answer to the claim that he’s always been ineffective. I was especially fair to NOT select any one period as a counter argument but leniently took his whole career stats into account. And still you say that I am being selective. This is highly frustrating.

It’s a different conversation altogether how much injury have affected his game. That was not the topic. If it was, I would point out that taking Chiesa to this conversation as if to prove something is very selective. Right?

His stats last season was horrible. And you are sugarcoating it by padding some numbers seasons before. Yeah scholars are using the same way to publish papers with 9x % accuracy claims, when a useless constant output model could perform as good

The point is nobody cares three years bro. Especially in footballing career. Last season he was worse than Correa, our useless piece of wood.

And for fucking thirty millions Euros, are you kidding me? Excusing for Scamacca as if he is coming for free. Our initial offer, which was already too much, got rejected. Now the wise thing to do is do not waste more time on investing his goods some years ago. Let West Ham live with the past.

 

[snowforum180]

If he flops we won’t get more than 10 million for him.

 

[Gal]

Let’s not forget large reasons for his succes that year was also because of Berardi had his form of his life with 15 goals and 14 assist. Who served him sugar balls all season long. His numbers was heavily inflated because of Berardi.

It was more or less same story with Francesco Caputo, who also massively benefited at having Berardi.

He is never going to have that with the players Inter have especially as there other players to score the goals.

There been plenty of players who had a marvellous season at some midtable team and struggling with replicating the form.

 

[ADRossi]

His stats last season was horrible. And you are sugarcoating it by padding some numbers seasons before. Yeah scholars are using the same way to publish papers with 9x % accuracy claims, when a useless constant output model could perform as good

The point is nobody cares three years bro. Especially in footballing career. Last season he was worse than Correa, our useless piece of wood.

And for fucking thirty millions Euros, are you kidding me? Excusing for Scamacca as if he is coming for free. Our initial offer, which was already too much, got rejected. Now the wise thing to do is do not waste more time on investing his goods some years ago. Let West Ham live with the past.

The reality of our economic situation is that we need to buy damaged goods and gambles. We cannot afford to buy up and coming stars. Balogun is clearly outside of our price range, the same way any striker who was dominant last year will be. I'm fine if you want to suggest we take a punt somewhere else, but there's no way we manage to sign a striker that isn't a massive risk. Hell, even Lukaku would have been a massive risk and is a damaged good.

 

[magnesium]

Pros
Italian
Aerial presence
Strong
Connection with Frattesi
Young

Cons
Injury
Expensive
Just one season wonder
No experience

I think why we choose Scamacca over Balogun because we need some Aerial presence like Dzeko or Lukaku at the moment. Plus we already spend money for Samardzic dude.

 

[qb4ever_2k]

Let’s not forget large reasons for his succes that year was also because of Berardi had his form of his life with 15 goals and 14 assist. Who served him sugar balls all season long. His numbers was heavily inflated because of Berardi.

I don't know much about Scamacca but I can say this notion is statistically wrong. On per 90' basis, he actually had fewer xG and xA in Sassuolo than he did in Genoa, meaning he didn't get as many chance as he did the season before. But he outperformed his xG by a great margin (+5).

If anything, it was Scamacca who inflated Berardi's assist number.

 

[Damageplan]

You guys take into consideration that we have a medical team that are evaluating the guy and we also have another team that analyses what the guy could bring to the team. In any professional team that is how someone gets signed. Work within a budget and evaluate thoroughly.
It is just naive to think that the guy will get signed if he has a fucked up knee or that his only perk is being italian. Yes there are failed transfers which may have looked good at the time but that is a risk that will always exist in a transfer.
To simply bring up goalscoring stats for the guy again is just shallow. Check out Lewandowski for example and see the difference between Dortmund and Bayern. Dzeko had incredible stats in Germany that dipped in England but he was still delivering and was considered a top striker. Examples may continue.
You cant just say "yeah the guy scored 10 goals in 25 games lol he is so shit"

 

[RotterdamNerazzurri]

The most worrying think about Scamacca is his pricetag. I’m all in, and think he can be better for us than we are expecting. But if he flops, and that is a realistic scenario still, we can’t sell him. We are stuck with him. We must try a loan type of deal imo. Balogun on the other hand is British. It will be a bigger investment, but if he doesn’t succes you can always sell him for slightly less on a BPL club. Look at Bassey. He flopped massively at Ajax, still Fulham bought him for near the exact amount Ajax paid for him.

 

[PHM1605]

The reality of our economic situation is that we need to buy damaged goods and gambles. We cannot afford to buy up and coming stars. Balogun is clearly outside of our price range, the same way any striker who was dominant last year will be. I'm fine if you want to suggest we take a punt somewhere else, but there's no way we manage to sign a striker that isn't a massive risk. Hell, even Lukaku would have been a massive risk and is a damaged good.

Damaged goods should never cost 30m. Almost the same what WestHam bought the peak brand new product.

 

[qb4ever_2k]

The most worrying think about Scamacca is his pricetag. I’m all in, and think he can be better for us than we are expecting. But if he flops, and that is a realistic scenario still, we can’t sell him. We are stuck with him. We must try a loan type of deal imo. Balogun on the other hand is British. It will be a bigger investment, but if he doesn’t succes you can always sell him for slightly less on a BPL club. Look at Bassey. He flopped massively at Ajax, still Fulham bought him for near the exact amount Ajax paid for him.

The biggest concern is always his ability to perform. If he fails, a 25m failure is not going to feel any better than a 30m failure.

 

[vex]

The most worrying think about Scamacca is his pricetag. I’m all in, and think he can be better for us than we are expecting. But if he flops, and that is a realistic scenario still, we can’t sell him. We are stuck with him. We must try a loan type of deal imo. Balogun on the other hand is British. It will be a bigger investment, but if he doesn’t succes you can always sell him for slightly less on a BPL club. Look at Bassey. He flopped massively at Ajax, still Fulham bought him for near the exact amount Ajax paid for him.

Don't think dilemma was ever balogun or scammacca. I think the real dilemma all along was scammaca + samardzic or just balogun, and we picked the first option, for whatever that's worth.

 

[Johnny Ludlow]

His stats last season was horrible. And you are sugarcoating it by padding some numbers seasons before. Yeah scholars are using the same way to publish papers with 9x % accuracy claims, when a useless constant output model could perform as good

The point is nobody cares three years bro. Especially in footballing career. Last season he was worse than Correa, our useless piece of wood.

And for fucking thirty millions Euros, are you kidding me? Excusing for Scamacca as if he is coming for free. Our initial offer, which was already too much, got rejected. Now the wise thing to do is do not waste more time on investing his goods some years ago. Let West Ham live with the past.

I initially simply argued against the claim that he’s always been inefficient. You can go back and read again. I did not sugarcoat anything, quite the contrary.

I am philosopher by trade and thus being precise with my thinking and arguing is very important to me. I’d also like to think that I can admit when I’m wrong. Sometimes. Maybe.

It seems to me that you are not talking about the same thing I am.

 

[RotterdamNerazzurri]

You guys take into consideration that we have a medical team that are evaluating the guy and we also have another team that analyses what the guy could bring to the team. In any professional team that is how someone gets signed. Work within a budget and evaluate thoroughly.
It is just naive to think that the guy will get signed if he has a fucked up knee or that his only perk is being italian. Yes there are failed transfers which may have looked good at the time but that is a risk that will always exist in a transfer.
To simply bring up goalscoring stats for the guy again is just shallow. Check out Lewandowski for example and see the difference between Dortmund and Bayern. Dzeko had incredible stats in Germany that dipped in England but he was still delivering and was considered a top striker. Examples may continue.
You cant just say "yeah the guy scored 10 goals in 25 games lol he is so shit"

These kind of injuries sometimes doesn’t only affect the body. It can have a affect on the mind too. Issues with trusting the knee for example. Trusting the knee can handle certain movements or battles. These things can have a massive influence on performances on top level too.

 

[Palatiga]

This has correa 2.0 written all over it. Even transfer fee basically the same.
Hopefully with the amount of hate this guy get, it will turns good like arcebi

 

[ChillBro]

Very surprised by the skepticism around Scamacca on here to be honest. He has all the attributes to be very solid for us. Price is higher than ideal but its a premium position.

Like others here have said, we can't afford a world beater at forward. We have to settle somewhere and all the other names are even risker imo or even more overpriced.