Mauro Icardi

[Harpsabu]

Plus stats are deceiving in basketball etc when a player can be playing with the second stringers. How is it deceiving in this respect? Bearing in mind I have no idea how the stats look once the second half of the season is factored in.

because for one if we look at those stats, Icardi on the pitch vs not on the pitch.

It doesn't factor into account games played vs the bigger teams where Inter are less likely to win.
Plus, from the stats it doesn't make various other factors into account, the strength of the team and performance of inter team.

A game like Fio at home last year where Inter were awful, in these stats you can quickly look and say we are better without Icardi, however a match like that the entire team played poorly when Icardi was actually one of the better players.

There are many many examples for and against the point I'm making. All I'm saying is looking at those stats it's not as black and white as, oh, we were winning more without Icardi? We are better without him!

Plus, I presume one of those results is last years first game of the season, where he came off injured after what, 8 minutes? so that's a draw for Icardi and win for Inter. Lots of other factors that can lead to the stats being deceiving

 

[ADRossi]

Plus, I presume one of those results is last years first game of the season, where he came off injured after what, 8 minutes? so that's a draw for Icardi and win for Inter. Lots of other factors that can lead to the stats being deceiving

That is not how this works.

 

[Harpsabu]

That is not how this works.

it is though. if Icardi went off after 8 minutes, the record of his was changed to a draw. Whereas the record for then without him is going down as a win because Inter won.

Also, im not disregarding the stats altogether, however they are too open ended to come to any meaningful conclusion (conclusion being Inter are better without Icardi)

 

[Shaun]

because for one if we look at those stats, Icardi on the pitch vs not on the pitch.

It doesn't factor into account games played vs the bigger teams where Inter are less likely to win.
Plus, from the stats it doesn't make various other factors into account, the strength of the team and performance of inter team.

A game like Fio at home last year where Inter were awful, in these stats you can quickly look and say we are better without Icardi, however a match like that the entire team played poorly when Icardi was actually one of the better players.

There are many many examples for and against the point I'm making. All I'm saying is looking at those stats it's not as black and white as, oh, we were winning more without Icardi? We are better without him!

Plus, I presume one of those results is last years first game of the season, where he came off injured after what, 8 minutes? so that's a draw for Icardi and win for Inter. Lots of other factors that can lead to the stats being deceiving

Personally I was putting more credence in the goals scored when he was on the pitch vs not. And Vito said in his post that the goal tally for Icardi on the pitch was heavily boosted by 4-0 wins against Udinese and Frosinone. So if anything this damages your argument more so than supports it.

 

[Harpsabu]

Personally I was putting more credence in the goals scored when he was on the pitch vs not. And Vito said in his post that the goal tally for Icardi on the pitch was heavily boosted by 4-0 wins against Udinese and Frosinone. So if anything this damages your argument more so than supports it.

It doesn't though, it again highlights how these stats are deceiving and how a conclusion as to are Inter better with or without Icardi can't be drawn from these particular ones.

 

[Shaun]

It doesn't though, it again highlights how these stats are deceiving and how a conclusion as to are Inter better with or without Icardi can't be drawn from these particular ones.

I'm not saying that stats can't be deceiving, but rather if anything it's deceptive in favour of Icardi. I have no idea how the stats for the second half of the season look though. I feel he basically played almost all the minutes in the second half of the season anyway.

Also, I'm not coming to a conclusion that we were better or worse with Icardi last season. I simply think the difference is much more marginal than people generally think.

 

[Wings]

If stats are deceiving, how exactly are we supposed to evaluate players

"Passion"

 

[enjoy]

just now in twitter:

Wanda to Inter - we want money to buy this car

Meanwhile in England:

 

[enjoy]

Wanda is on the bait :trolldad:

 

[phenomeno]

Like seriously what is wrong with here ? I know she used to be a prostitue but she cannot be this fucking stupid that she cant see shes only damaging her husbands brand with all her antics this week?

And wtf is Icardi doing himself, this bitch have been doing this for a whole week, faking shes in london and creating in general drama etc to get higher salary, this might be the way you get your raise in the prostitution world but certaintly not in professional fotball, no way should Icardi be okei with this, what the actuall fuck, how can he be okei with this for so long without throbbing his dick down her throat and shutting her up, hes just as stupid, and the fact that hes the captain of the team just takes it to the next lvl...

 

[IRR26]

Inter better have already given captaincy to Miranda.

 

[kameru]

Like seriously what is wrong with here ? I know she used to be a prostitue but she cannot be this fucking stupid that she cant see shes only damaging her husbands brand with all her antics this week?

And wtf is Icardi doing himself, this bitch have been doing this for a whole week, faking shes in london and creating in general drama etc to get higher salary, this might be the way you get your raise in the prostitution world but certaintly not in professional fotball, no way should Icardi be okei with this, what the actuall fuck, how can he be okei with this for so long without throbbing his dick down her throat and shutting her up, hes just as stupid, and the fact that hes the captain of the team just takes it to the next lvl...

She's just doing what Icardi want's, Icardi just don't have balls to tell that directly to management. That's why he said they looking for solution (wage increase), and he give his agent A+ Mark (he agree with her acts, and she is doing very good antics).

 

[Y&h]

Exactly.

Some people can single her out or call her a prostitute all day long, that won't change the fact that this blackmail has the consent of her husband, our damn captain.


If he's staying after this fiasco, I want him stripped of his captaincy.

 

[tonyclifton]

CDS—Mauro Icardi: I Respect the Shirt and the Captain Armband

Inter captain Mauro Icardi shared his thoughts about his captaincy and his objective for the upcoming season. As quoted by CdS, the Inter captain stated: “Being Inter captain is significant and that it means a lot to me. What you have read in papers are rumors. My aim is to do well at Inter, and I don’t care about the rest.”

The Nerazzurri skipper was also interviewed by Inter Channel in which he reaffirmed his commitment to Inter while not elaborating on his wife’s activity: “I have been at Inter for three years. In the first year we reached the Europe league, in the second year we did not, and now we want to do well with this shirt.”

Sources: corrieredellosport.it

I don't know how reliable CdS is, but if it is, why doesn't he have anything to say about Wanda's embarrassing antics on Twitter? I also find it funny that he keeps acting like everything is fine and there is no problem during recent interviews but then mentioning about 'finding a solution' with the club. Doesn't 'finding a solution' mean there is a problem? The truth is, there is no solution to be found because there is not even a problem in the first place. It's been barely a year since you were given a contract renewal, you have a contract until 2019, so just shut the fuck up or tell your money whoring wife 'cum' agent to shut the fuck up, get on with it and give your best for the club just like what a proper team captain does.

 

[Shaun]

The question is why does he/she/they think there needs to be solution. Does he simply expect a wage increase every season? He past season was inferior to the prior one. Why should we therefore increase his pay?

 

[Il Drago]

I like Icardi as a player but this circus needs to be over now. Just sell him to the highest bidder and find a decent replacement.

 

[kameru]

The question is why does he/she/they think there needs to be solution. Does he simply expect a wage increase every season? He past season was inferior to the prior one. Why should we therefore increase his pay?

Because acording to Wanda we have verbal agreement that when our economic situation getting better then we will evaluate Icardi's wage (that means his current wage just as compromise). That's why when we have new owner they think our economic situation instantly better, and they want wage that suit Icardi valuation asap. Just get rid both of them :fffuuu:

 

[Ronaldo]

It seems like they are playing good cop bad cop. There is no way this circus doesn't have the consent of Icardi himself. The guy is so pussy wipped, it's unbelievable.

 

[M.Adnan]

This kiddo won't stay in Inter for too long. It's bomb that will explode any second. He will leave eventually next year, the year after, I don't know but he will leave. Therefore, there's no point in keeping him the team's captain whatsoever.

Just like Vieri, Adriano, Ronaldo, Balotelli etc. He's starting to and will eventually be a pain in Inter's ass, and will cause more damage than good to this club. Get rid of him while you still can get alot of money out of his sale. Inter could have sold Adriano for a world record if they haven't waited for too damn long before deciding to ship him away, so don't do the same mistake.

 

[vitomins]

Icardi On Field
Minutes: 1,452
Goals: 19
Record: 8-6-4

Icardi On Bench
Minutes: 618
Goals: 12
Record: 7-5-0


So basically I looked at how many minutes we have played this season with and without Icardi. I looked at how many goals we scored as a team with or without him and also how we were doing in the match with or without him (winning/tied/losing). So if we were winning a match without him on the field and then ended up losing after he came on the field, I counted it as a win without him and a loss with him. That is why the records may seem weird to you. If he played a full 90, nothing is added to the bench stats and if he didn't play at all, nothing is added to his playing stats.

Without him on the field, we have either been tied or ahead during those minutes. For example: Our 2-1 loss to Napoli. We were losing 1-0 while he was on the field, but if you look at just the minutes he was not on the field (the second half) we tied Napoli 1-1.

We average 1 goal every 76.4 minutes with him on the field, we average 1 goal every 51.5 minutes without him on the field. So we have 19 goals while he was on the field for about 1,452 minutes this season. If we played 1,452 minutes without him and kept the same average, we would have 28 goals instead of 19. The 19 goals is also boosted dramatically by the 4-0 games against Frosinone and Udinese...without those 2 games, these numbers would be even worse.

Now, I believe he has the potential to be a great striker and he has shown it in the past, just look at last season, so I think the blame needs to go on Mancini. Yes he has missed some easy opportunities, but I just don't think we are playing the kind of football that is needed to provide him with more chances.

Total season:

Icardi On Field
Minutes: 2,608
Goals: 38
Record: 15-8-10

Icardi On Bench
Minutes: 1,202
Goals: 20
Record: 10-9-4


The numbers with him on the field improved in the second half of the season. At the end of the season we averaged 1 goal every 68.6 minutes with him on the field. And without him on the field, our scoring rate dropped to 1 goal every 60.1 minutes. So although we were still more efficient without him on the field, the numbers became a little closer as the season went on.

We scored 38 goals while Icardi was on the pitch. If we played the same amount of minutes without him as we did with him and kept the same scoring rate of 1 goal every 60.1 minutes, we would have scored 43 goals instead of 38 goals. So only a difference of 5 goals whereas in January it was a difference of 9 goals.

The scary thing is that it would still be bad if the numbers were even slightly in favor of Icardi on the pitch. Icardi is our main goalscorer. Statistically we should be scoring a ton more goals with him on the field than without him.