Luc Castaignos

[AxigZag.ESIOLAG.]

How is it poor man management on Inter's part if they give him opportunities and he doesn't take them? Other youngsters took loan options to smaller clubs, not to mention how loaning youth to smaller clubs is something that happens across all of Europe. We can use this cash to get a better attacker (Gomez) or make an investment in the midfield.

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Limiting the said opportunity doesnt really qualify as an opportunity. Sounds more like a "take-it-or-leave-it" situation they presented to him... although I must admit I do understand Inter' stance on the loan to Serie A. Makes sense really... but to add a "that is ur only choice" to it, makes it bs to me.

 

[.h.]

darren has hit it exactly on the head, but i just want to reiterate:

Not just in football, but many other things, it's all about managing PEOPLE. NOT managing staff, players, etc. But managing people. Everyone is different, has different styles, operates differently, and that needs to be accounted for when doing this sort of thing.


Everyone is demonizing Castaignos - but the guy is a 19 year old kid. What does he know? Fine, maybe not going on loan to another Serie A club is dumb, but we clearly believed in him enough to spend 3-4 million euros on him in the first place, yet at the first sign of trouble we ditch him?


There are a few things that come out of this:

1 - Any good young talent who we are interested in will probably look at this and say 'why the fuck would I move to Inter? They'll just sell me if I don't do everything they say'
2 - There's apparently no trying, trying to take care of PEOPLE.
3 - No one cares enough to actually intervene. Instead, they just say okay. As Darren pointed out, you have to discuss and debate.

 

[Suneet]

1 - Any good young talent who we are interested in will probably look at this and say 'why the fuck would I move to Inter? They'll just sell me if I don't do everything they say'
2 - There's apparently no trying, trying to take care of PEOPLE.
3 - No one cares enough to actually intervene. Instead, they just say okay. As Darren pointed out, you have to discuss and debate.

1. Or maybe they will see the sucessful ones and say fine, they have a point. If I want to grow into a good player maybe 6 months at Espanyol isnt bad.
2. No trying to take care of people. If you mean Inter doesnt take care of their people, then you must belong to a different era. All these last 2 seasons we have been taking care of our people. All of them. Even sometimes the fans dont like it.

 

[Darren]

1. Or maybe they will see the sucessful ones and say fine, they have a point. If I want to grow into a good player maybe 6 months at Espanyol isnt bad.
2. No trying to take care of people. If you mean Inter doesnt take care of their people, then you must belong to a different era. All these last 2 seasons we have been taking care of our people. All of them. Even sometimes the fans dont like it.

1. What succesful ones? Coutinho is not a success yet..

And your statement implies Luc was against a loan abroad, but we don't know this. I find it unlikely. Looking at Castaignos' character, he seems similar to Cou. Nice, respectful lad. Like I said, I'm sure someone could have convinced him to take a loan to Espanyol just like with Cou.

But they didn't care enough, they hardly tried. We don't know, of course, but that's my guess if you look at the patterns coming out of the club right now.

2. SELECTIVE taking care of people. SOME people. NOT people who we don't like anymore. Castaignos, Poli, Pazzini, Julio Cesar. We don't give a fuck about them.

We care about Chivu and Stankovic. They deserve contract extensions, while an icon like Julione gets frozen out of the squad and gets his replacement bought before he's even left. That's how much we fucking care about our people.

This is the youth rejuvenation project but we let two of our most promising youngsters go while buying two 30-year olds. I'm starting to get doubts tbh. I think it's clear that Castaignos > Longo and Livaja, in terms of potential talent. Yet we keep them and sell Luc. Is that good youth policy?

 

[.h.]

1. Or maybe they will see the sucessful ones and say fine, they have a point. If I want to grow into a good player maybe 6 months at Espanyol isnt bad.
2. No trying to take care of people. If you mean Inter doesnt take care of their people, then you must belong to a different era. All these last 2 seasons we have been taking care of our people. All of them. Even sometimes the fans dont like it.

Point 2 again boils down to man management. They aren't managing the people. They're simply appeasing the veterans. We aren't managing the younger unknown quantities properly.


What successful ones? Balotelli wasn't overall a success at Inter. That's where he came into the scene, but I would say its only the last few months that he's REALLY taking himself up to that top level. Santon? Same story. Did not do well at Inter and then we shipped him out. Coutinho? What success? On the back of 3 good pre-season games? That's a joke, right?


As Darren points out, too

We got the loan rights to a GREAT young italian player. Had the option to sign him piss cheap. Oh no, we didn't take it up. Now we're giving up on Castaignos, Juan is probably going to get used as a make-shift weight in a transfer dealing with someone. Faraoni again similar story... Bardi is a great young prospect for after-Cesar, and now we've signed Handanovic who will probably be first choice for the next 6 years... We expect Bardi to be okay with going out on loan until he's 28?

Destro, a make weight in paying like 24m? for Ranocchia? Suddenly now he's burst onto the scene. Bonucci, same story...

 

[DARi0]

€6m?! really?

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The kid doesnt want to be loaned, co-owned. He wants to start.

You can always sign a contract in which you stipulate the minimum number of apps, right?

Anyway, let's say this kid is a pain in the ass - still could have got more than 6 millions.

 

[snake]

That's almost double what we paid for him, and considering he only scored one goal, I would say we are lucky.

Darren and broha, you guys need to agree to disagree. There is no right wrong here I reckon. Some of us see nothing wrong with the ultimatum while others do. It's quite an even split I'd say.

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[necrodragon]

many of the guys bashing him and saying we did well to get 7 million for him are gonna be bashing the management 2-3 years later

Tbh we were really unfair on him, like it or not, pazzini played like 3000 minutes in serieA last season, when he was horrendous for most part, yet this guy didnt get a chance, just because he is what 19

does anyone here seriously expect that longo will now suddenly replace him and pazzini at the same time

 

[snake]

It's up to the coach who plays, not the management. Or will we blame Branca for that too. Sadly you need to earn chances, you can't just be given them.

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[Coasterfreek]

He was going to rot on the bench had he not moved. Not surprising he's going away.

 

[necrodragon]

to earn a chance, first you must get a chance, what does the management or the coaches expect, that he will score every time he gets 10 minutes at the end , and especially when we are losing, the opposition defenses are packed with numbers to prevent a goal

 

[.h.]

That's almost double what we paid for him, and considering he only scored one goal, I would say we are lucky.

Darren and broha, you guys need to agree to disagree. There is no right wrong here I reckon. Some of us see nothing wrong with the ultimatum while others do. It's quite an even split I'd say.

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er what?

darren and i agree perfectly

 

[Darren]

Yeah. Maybe he meant we need to agree to disagree with the people who are ok with Castaignos sale?

Anyways.. the fact that we got double what we paid for him doesn't mean much to me. Like I said, Castaignos is obviously talented and that talent could have been worth way more than 6 mil if he we had decided to try and develop it.

We were interested in that when we bought him. But now that we are starting the youth project of all things, it's too much trouble to work something out that involves not selling him? Right..

 

[.h.]

Yeah. Maybe he meant we need to agree to disagree with the people who are ok with Castaignos sale?

Anyways.. the fact that we got double what we paid for him doesn't mean much to me. Like I said, Castaignos is obviously talented and that talent could have been worth way more than 6 mil if he we had decided to try and develop it.

We were interested in that when we bought him. But now that we are starting the youth project of all things, it's too much trouble to work something out that involves not selling him? Right..

Ah, right.

That makes more sense..

The 6m we are getting for him is basically what United offered Feyenoord after we had already signed him. We paid 3m for him before he 'got big'.

 

[vasilios]

It's official: http://www.fctwente.nl/blog/2012/07/luc-castaignos-naar-fc-twente/

Moving to former players

 

[b4h4mooth]

WELCOME


















































to TWENTE.

 

[Besnik]

Wish him best of luck in his new adventure with Twente

 

[Ed.]

have fun there..

 

[KillerKarl86]

A big club decides to keep him and loan him out for some experience in the league so he can adapt and get playing time, then hopefully will return to his parent club to make an impact.
But no, Luc in his many years of experience and wisdom knows whats best for his career than a club which is one of the most successful in Italy, which has just promoted a coach that is proven to work well with youth players.

Now he is at Twente. What a jerk. Shows how stubborn and dumb he is. Guy must think he's the best thing since sliced bread since he banged some goals in for Feyenoord in the Dutch league. He should have looked at Coutinho's situation and of taken a loan move.

He could of progressed his career, and helped Inter's cause.

Good riddance.

I

 

[Darren]

A big club decides to keep him and loan him out for some experience in the league so he can adapt and get playing time, then hopefully will return to his parent club to make an impact.
But no, Luc in his many years of experience and wisdom knows whats best for his career than a club which is one of the most successful in Italy, which has just promoted a coach that is proven to work well with youth players.

Now he is at Twente. What a jerk. Shows how stubborn and dumb he is. Guy must think he's the best thing since sliced bread since he banged some goals in for Feyenoord in the Dutch league. He should have looked at Coutinho's situation and of taken a loan move.

He could of progressed his career, and helped Inter's cause.

Good riddance.

I

'Must think'? What the hell do you know? Do you have any FACTS that point to him being arrogant?

He gave a very respectful interview when he left and hoped that the Inter fans can have a good season, because we don't deserve another like last season.

Then you call him a jerk, based solely on speculation. You act like he is some arrogant asshole who insulted Inter, when in fact at every opportunity he has proclaimed nothing but love and respect for our shirt. Who exactly is the jerk here?

And of course every 19-year old is supposed to know exactly what to do at all times right? Yeah, life is easy like that. It's not like you've ever been young, right? No, at 26 you know everything about the world.