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We actually have lots of young players that are playing solid around Europe, but i just don't see Inzaghi playing any of them... thats why i am saying how our management need to just not buy any old timers and make the coach play a younger player... there is no way Agoume could not do what Gagliardini is doing.
 

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We actually have lots of young players that are playing solid around Europe, but i just don't see Inzaghi playing any of them... thats why i am saying how our management need to just not buy any old timers and make the coach play a younger player... there is no way Agoume could not do what Gagliardini is doing.
TBH, if budgets get cut, he'll have to.

Gags, Lukaku, Correa, Skriniar, maybe Broz and De Vrij out this summer?

The problem is, for the game time someone coming in might get, they're better off developing.

Agoume's team has him playing as a starter, basically, all year. They've also not won a league game since the 2nd of Jan.
 

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We actually have lots of young players that are playing solid around Europe, but i just don't see Inzaghi playing any of them... thats why i am saying how our management need to just not buy any old timers and make the coach play a younger player... there is no way Agoume could not do what Gagliardini is doing.
Agoume is completely different type of player to Gags. Agoume is like the deep lying defensive midfielder while Gags is more like mezzala (with poor ball playing skills).

Fabbian is an offensive minded midfielder, at least based on his stats but I've never seen him play so can't comment too much.
 

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The f*ck does it matter if a team where a player is on loan win their games? It's about development of the player. If they play all the games it means they are developing. You could also argue that even in poor teams youngsters like Agoume and Fabbian gets played and coaches don't rely on older more ''experienced'' players to get the results.
 

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Gotta comment that Fabbian has played a lot recently. In times Reggina is fighting for playoff spots in the league. So it's impressive the coach trusts him (btw Filippo Inzaghi) since typically in these cases coaches trust more on experienced veterans. But Fabbian has started in the past 6 games and played 90 mins in 5 of them.
 

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Agoume's team has him playing as a starter, basically, all year. They've also not won a league game since the 2nd of Jan.
Inter also had a period where they were unable to win. This doesn't mean that most of the starters aka Hakan, Barella, Lautaro etc are shit
 

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Inter also had a period where they were unable to win. This doesn't mean that most of the starters aka Hakan, Barella, Lautaro etc are shit
sure, but agoumes never done anything to make anyone think he isnt shit
 

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The f*ck does it matter if a team where a player is on loan win their games? It's about development of the player. If they play all the games it means they are developing. You could also argue that even in poor teams youngsters like Agoume and Fabbian gets played and coaches don't rely on older more ''experienced'' players to get the results.
yes, they're developing, but at some point you also need to *deliver*. Playing 38 games a season but not contributing in any of them doesnt mean you're ready for inter.

Look at people like Bastoni, he plays at Parma and immediately makes a major difference to the team. Barella - stand out name at Cagliari.

That's the level of 'impressiveness' we need from the youth. Until they hit that level, they stayt out on development loans.
 

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Agoume is completely different type of player to Gags. Agoume is like the deep lying defensive midfielder while Gags is more like mezzala (with poor ball playing skills).

Fabbian is an offensive minded midfielder, at least based on his stats but I've never seen him play so can't comment too much.
I know they are not the same, but even if you re a defensive mid or an attacking mid, you could still play the Gags role, cause Gags is not doing anything at all. I would be ok if hes good at winning air duels, good passer or good at moving the ball forward, but he isn't. So you really could play a defender in his role and i dont think anyone would notice. He has regressed so much that its actually sad and he really does look like a Serie B player.
 

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yes, they're developing, but at some point you also need to *deliver*. Playing 38 games a season but not contributing in any of them doesnt mean you're ready for inter.

Look at people like Bastoni, he plays at Parma and immediately makes a major difference to the team. Barella - stand out name at Cagliari.

That's the level of 'impressiveness' we need from the youth. Until they hit that level, they stayt out on development loans.
I wouldn't draw conclusions that because Brest hasn't won games it's because Agoume is not good enough. We can't he's good enough but also can't claim he's not good enough based on the results. Or have you seen any Brest matches this season?
 

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sure, but agoumes never done anything to make anyone think he isnt shit
He is playing regularly in a shit team as defensive midfielder. How is expected to set the world in fire actually? Darmian was Man U reject and very mediocre at Parma, but he is great for us. Agoume is 21 and he can get a chance similar to Bellanova, to be assessed. But, I don't believe that this will happen, as we are playing with registra and that spot is already overcrowded. It's almost the same with Fabbian, Carboni, Iliev and Esposito. We don't have AM position, and for them will be very difficult to break the line up instead of Mkhitaryan, Barella or Hakan. Although, with G5 leaving, I'd give chance for 1-2 of them instead to splash millions on someone else. Anyway, I don't understand the treatment of Pirola. He was labeled as a promising youngster few years ago, he has decent season with Monza, and we are about to sell him for 5 mln provided we have huge absence in that department?
 

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Anyway, I don't understand the treatment of Pirola. He was labeled as a promising youngster few years ago, he has decent season with Monza, and we are about to sell him for 5 mln provided we have huge absence in that department?

Desperation for capital gains. We don't care about the future, only about the present.

Dimarco would have a similar fate with Pirola if Verona hadn't asked for a discount.
 

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Desperation for capital gains. We don't care about the future, only about the present.

Dimarco would have a similar fate with Pirola if Verona hadn't asked for a discount.
But we'll have huge capital gain with the sales of Brozo, Onana and Dumfries?! There is no logic here. We offered 4 mln to SDV, and selling much better prospect for 5 mln?
 

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The logic is our management and coach prefer experience over youth to achieve club targets. At this moment Pirola isn't considered an option for the first team and the club isn't willing to have a project of developing youngsters. So they just choose to make profit on them in order to meet ownership financial requirements which is the top priority right now.
 

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The logic is our management and coach prefer experience over youth to achieve club targets. At this moment Pirola isn't considered an option for the first team and the club isn't willing to have a project of developing youngsters. So they just choose to make profit on them in order to meet ownership financial requirements which is the top priority right now.
but then we read on the news that Inter is heavily interested in Scalvini who costs 40M :)
 

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AFAIK Pirola has an option in the loan deal. Cheap one now but that's part of the equation why we can loan them to these clubs. So that Salernitana has an incentive to use the player. We also have counter-option to redeem him back if we want to.
 

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if any scouting analyze some players based on winning games only, Robertson Liverpool, Di Lorenzo Napoli, Bennacer Milan etc would be never become a good player right because their previous club was relegating. relegating means lost game anyway. in reality, they became a good and undisputed players for their new team because they have superb individual qualities that any players haven't despite their previous club was losing and going relegated.
 

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I wouldn't draw conclusions that because Brest hasn't won games it's because Agoume is not good enough. We can't he's good enough but also can't claim he's not good enough based on the results. Or have you seen any Brest matches this season?

No, I've not seen them play this season, but as you say, we cant say he's good enough on the basis of the results so far. If you look at someone like, say, Mulattieri, his impact there alone probably deserves a try out in the summer pre-season squad. If a scout is watching Agoume and saying yes we should take a bet on this guy, then fine lets do it, but with or without him they still seem to be losing a lot of games. The period he was off injured they actually probably had a higher average points per game than since they've had him, but its obviously hard to read into that at all.

My point is that, he's starting to get regular game time now, if a bigger club wants to chance on him and he excels there next season, then he starts to get more interesting for Inter

FWIW, he's at Troyes not Brest :D
 

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Bring in Scalvini, sry know its off topic, bring in fabbian

wish he was on a worst team and we could have offered Correa for him. Scalvini will cost us our transfer budget or our whole future by giving them all our best youth players.
 
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