Yann Karamoh

[dax21]

The one big disadvantage is Can'tdreva will probably stay on the CL-list.

Even worse, he will get injured and we will grow to regret this loan.

 

[Ronin]

Terrible. If we wanted to loan him at all costs, should've been a Serie A team.

 

[JJM]

looks so happy

 

[Howl]

Well hopefully he plays regularly, thats the main thing.

 

[M.Adnan]

I very much prefer him to play in Serie A, but he has to go anywhere but Inter. Hopefully he replaces Candreva next year.

 

[GenDire]

Idk whether Bordeaux is the right choice, according to whoscored their second best player is a 21 year old nigerian RW

 

[tanorini]

how unfair this guy is good, that donkey candreva should have been the one to go to any dump.

 

[Pajo]

League experience is overrated IMO. Id rather see him playin abroad in decent team regularly than in teams like Chievo.

 

[thatdude]

Exactly, playing in EL quality team like Bordeaux is better than playing in the current Parma. Especially if he’s going to get more playing time with the former.

 

[brehme1989]

Well, Bordeaux is a good team in a good league. League experience is important though. You get to play against the same opposition as your main club, you get to train under a similar system and see how your loan club treats the same opponents you'll face with your main club and so on. Karamoh already has spent a season at Inter so he's familiar with that environment, but ideally it's better to play in a league with a similar style and/or setup or for a team with similar goals.

Karamoh's goal with Bordeaux will be to reach Top 3 I guess, so pressure is on to reach the CL spots. For at least 1-2 more seasons, that's our goal as well unless we go way off track or make a sudden improvement and challenge for the Scudetto instantly. So it's a good decision, but the overall playing style is different. That's not a major issue as Karamoh is a speedy player that can dribble and that's something that can translate anywhere and he's not a player that has to adapt his playing style accordingly, which is something that applies to box strikers, center backs or central midfielders, and generally anyone involved in the central part of the pitch.

Playing time is also very important, but it has to be transferrable playing time and not a chore in a crap league or a team with no real aims. The next Karamohs should be loaned to teams challenging for their domestic title whilst they play in Europe, in an environment with lots of pressure. That's usually found in places like Austria, Turkey, Greece, Belgium etc. Tough places where usually there's no significant difference between the top 3-4 teams and every point fucking counts. That's a far better experience that playing for Parma, Genoa or Empoli, but in some cases, it has to be about the adaptation to the new league. The Italian league is actually too tough to adjust to. And obviously there's no point in loaning players to midtable Portuguese or Czech or Swedish teams. We might as well just tear the contract apart and tell the player he's free to go wherever he wants.

 

[A.l.i]

I really don't understand why in the world did we sign Keita Balde when he could've been the one to explode this year. Tbh, Karamoh has more potential than Keita Balde. His potential is frightening. The ideal thing for him would have been regular playing time at a mid-table Serie A side or one aiming for the Europa League. Really don't know why he rejected the move to Parma.

On the brightside, he'll come back next year with the experience of playing at a big French club + I'm sure we won't be seeing Candreva and Keita Balde here next year so he'll be in the squad.

 

[Universe]

You could be right. I hope you are. But I haven't personally seen anything that seems 'frightening' in his potential. I think I compared them in the Keita or Candreva thread, but I think Karamoh is a long way off being some elite young talent like Dybala or Mbappe. If those two are/were at an A class potential then I think Karamoh is closer to C then even B. He's shown flashes but even those are 'nice' at best, not 'holy fuck' if you know what I mean.

Found my post. As I said at the time: His dribbling is pretty good but not great. His speed looks good but he hasn't shown it can be a devastating weapon like Bale or Mbappe. His finishing has been completely garbage. He's pretty lightweight when it comes to strength.

On top of this, I don't know what his best position even is. Someone like Candreva will always be preferred by coaches who want a rigid structure with a traditional winger: stick to the flank and cross. But Karamoh likes to dribble and cut in. And if you're going to do that on the wing, you need to be able to reliably beat your man, draw defenders out of position, draw fouls and just make things happen in general, the 'risk' being that you are incorporating a players skills into your attacking system. But to me, Karamoh's skills don't seem good enough to warrant changing our system - unlike someone like Douglas Costa for example. Karamoh seems to fail more than he succeeds, even though I'm sure he'll improve with experience. Politano has been great because he's very good in the attacking system. He stays in his position and makes things happen, but when he drifts out of position, he's smart enough to keep it relatively low-risk to prevent being caught out. Right now Keita and Politano are simply outright 'better' or at the least, more useful, players than Karamoh IMO.

 

[dax21]

Wingers who cut in also require teammates with sufficient football IQ who can read the situation. Karamoh never had issues with Rafinha. It's when he has to push inside and on the outside you got Vecino and Candreva whose off the ball movement and reading of the game are fairly poor that Karamoh can't do much at all. Wingers need quality AMs/trequartistas to combine the play with. In the few games where he got a double digit worth of minutes alongside Rafinha, Karamoh showed brilliance. We just don't have the players who can accommodate and function alongside a wild card type of player.

I also doubt that his physique will change. Modern football doesn't favor strong body types, everybody has to be lean and agile. Young underweight Zlatan going to Juve and putting on 20kg is something that hasn't happened since. We are shit at developing anything, old or new, so we should stop expecting miracles.

 

[phonk]

Lets remember he is only 20 years old and has almost no experience on a professional level.
We haven't seen him too much last season but I mostly agree with Universe apart from the shooting point. He was unlucky to hit the woodwork a couple of times and also scored a fantastic goal.
For now its very difficult estimate his potential. Lets see how he develops in the next 2-3 seasons, by then we will know a lot more.

 

[A.l.i]

You could be right. I hope you are. But I haven't personally seen anything that seems 'frightening' in his potential. I think I compared them in the Keita or Candreva thread, but I think Karamoh is a long way off being some elite young talent like Dybala or Mbappe. If those two are/were at an A class potential then I think Karamoh is closer to C then even B. He's shown flashes but even those are 'nice' at best, not 'holy fuck' if you know what I mean.

Found my post. As I said at the time: His dribbling is pretty good but not great. His speed looks good but he hasn't shown it can be a devastating weapon like Bale or Mbappe. His finishing has been completely garbage. He's pretty lightweight when it comes to strength.

On top of this, I don't know what his best position even is. Someone like Candreva will always be preferred by coaches who want a rigid structure with a traditional winger: stick to the flank and cross. But Karamoh likes to dribble and cut in. And if you're going to do that on the wing, you need to be able to reliably beat your man, draw defenders out of position, draw fouls and just make things happen in general, the 'risk' being that you are incorporating a players skills into your attacking system. But to me, Karamoh's skills don't seem good enough to warrant changing our system - unlike someone like Douglas Costa for example. Karamoh seems to fail more than he succeeds, even though I'm sure he'll improve with experience. Politano has been great because he's very good in the attacking system. He stays in his position and makes things happen, but when he drifts out of position, he's smart enough to keep it relatively low-risk to prevent being caught out. Right now Keita and Politano are simply outright 'better' or at the least, more useful, players than Karamoh IMO.

Agree with your post but remember he's only 20 years old and your post is a little harsh. He made fun of players from Bologna, Genoa when we faced them last season.

 

[brehme1989]

Yann Karamoh reminds me of Kingsley Coman. A young player with good ball skills that has no real role in the pitch. So many of these talents are coming out just because they dominate their age group but they remain unspectacular through their careers. I think their best situation is to find a top team that wants their characteristics and use them in rotation or as a late sub.
These types of talents are one step below the Lemar, Martial, Mane etc kind of players who can also make a difference and at least 2 steps below Mbappe who's borderline elite. Salah is somewhere in between. I don't see a very bright individual career but in the right team, Karamoh can be effective. Not sure if we're that team though, or if Serie A is that league .

 

[SiamoNoi]

Karamoh's goal with Bordeaux will be to reach Top 3 I guess, so pressure is on to reach the CL spots.

I doubt that.They are not that good.EL places more realistically.

Lets remember he is only 20 years old and has almost no experience on a professional level.

2500+ min. in top 5 leagues for a 20 y.o. is a pretty good experience.For 19 y.o. basically cause he turned 20 this summer.

 

[phonk]

2500+ min. in top 5 leagues for a 20 y.o. is a pretty good experience.For 19 y.o. basically cause he turned 20 this summer.

Oh man i didnt know he played that much in France. Then lets hope he gets as much time on the pitch with his new club. I am optimistic though, he already knows the French league.

 

[varmin]

I think that could be very useful experience for Karamoh. French league is less tactical and defensive than serie A. And with one year experience gathered in Italy and under Spalletti he could explode there if he gets regular playing time.
Wish him good luck and to stay injure free.

 

[Dylan]

Yann Karamoh reminds me of Kingsley Coman. A young player with good ball skills that has no real role in the pitch. So many of these talents are coming out just because they dominate their age group but they remain unspectacular through their careers. I think their best situation is to find a top team that wants their characteristics and use them in rotation or as a late sub.
These types of talents are one step below the Lemar, Martial, Mane etc kind of players who can also make a difference and at least 2 steps below Mbappe who's borderline elite. Salah is somewhere in between. I don't see a very bright individual career but in the right team, Karamoh can be effective. Not sure if we're that team though, or if Serie A is that league .

Did you mean Mane or Sane? Mane is 26.