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[Handoyo]

I'll be banging my head on the wall if I'm a Valencia fan. Ranieri is turning Valencia to be a Barca, albeit Italia instead of Holland. Worse, of all the signings that he has made, none are considered as a starter in the Italian NT.


Handyo

 

[Handoyo]

I'm absolutely sick of the media nowadays. It's so manipulating and 99% of their words are bull$hits. It's a disgrace that nowadays 99% of football 'news' are just rumours about transfers that is just not gonna happen. Rumours like Cassano or Gilardino to Real Madrid are just laughable. And the latest is Vieira. When I read the headline, it said, "Wenger Losing Vieira Fight". Here's the article btw:


Wenger losing Vieira fight
Friday, 23 July 2004
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has conceded that the fight to keep Patrick Vieira out of the clutches of Real Madrid is out of his hands.

Real are trying to lure Vieira away from Highbury as they look to continue their policy of buying all the top players in the world.

Wenger has admitted that he is powerless to stop Vieira leaving for El Santiago Bernanbeu.

"I have been speaking to Patrick regularly but we have now reached a situation where I cannot do any more," said Wenger.

"I cannot tell you what he has said because then the players would lose confidence in me. But I cannot decide for Patrick. He has a three-year contract and it was his decision to extend that deal last year. So I don't need to persuade him of anything.

"All this uncertainty is not unsettling for the club because we only concentrate on the things we can influence. What is important is the players who play for our club, not what other people outside might be saying about us.

"Real Madrid have told us that they have never approached the player. I believe that there's a lot of agents trying to make a lot of money.

"Patrick has three years left on his contract and we do not need the money."

Real have increased the pressure on Arsenal insisting they want to complete any deal before the UEFA Champions League qualifying deadline of August 5.

Real director of sport Emilio Butragueno revealed they want to have Vieira on board by the time they play their Champions League qualifier.

"We want to have some good news by August 5," said Butragueno. "We are approaching the qualifying round of the Champions League and we want to complete the signing by then."

Meanwhile, Arsenal have been linked with a move for Portugal's Euro 2004 star Maniche as a replacement for Vieira should he leave for Spain.

Maniche was arguably Portugal's best player at Euro 2004 and his performances have not gone unnoticed.

Wenger is thought to rate the Porto man very highly and sees him as the ideal candidate to fill the void should Vieira leave Highbury.


Now, where in the blue hell has Wenger admitted that he's losing Vieira? All he said was, "I have been speaking to Patrick regularly but we have now reached a situation where I cannot do any more." Does 'cannot do any more' means that he can't stop Patrick from moving to Real? Nooo!!! It could mean something else. It could mean that Wenger has persuaded Vieira to stay until his very limit and Vieira accepts it.

What's worse, they completely overlook that quote that, "Real Madrid have told us that they have never approached the player. I believe that there's a lot of agents trying to make a lot of money. Patrick has three years left on his contract and we do not need the money."

The media should be ashamed of themselves. Yes, they need money to eat but for God's sake, publish good news, not some balloney manipulation that Wenger is letting Vieira go or Real Madrid is signing all of Cassano, Totti, Gilardino, Emerson, Costinha, Carvalho, etc etc.


Handyo

 

[Gismo]

Media nowadays... :rollani:

:wallbang:

 

[Gismo]

Overmars retired because of his bad knee. Saluto and good bye!

 

[Gaetan]

Overmars has been a liability for Barcelona in the past few years including his bad contract. He's never had that much skills from what i have seen but his speed hasn't been the same and his crossings has been absolutely horrid. I say good riddance, you suck!

 

[CafeCordoba]

Barcelona bought Edmilson from Lyon, the transfer fee was something like 10 million euros (from uefa.com). Good transfer, Chelsea and Real paid for Carvalho and Samuel over 20 million euros! Now they have good defence when Edmilson could be put in front of the central defence as a defensive midfielder.

---------------Valdes---------------
Belletti---Puyol---Marquez---GvB
--------------Edmilson-------------

Maybe Motta can be added next to him but then possible Deco and Xavi can't both be in the starting line-up.

So the whole line-up could look like this:

---------------Valdes---------------
Belletti---Puyol---Marquez---GvB
--------------Edmilson-------------
----------Deco-------Xavi----------
--Giuly----------------Ronaldinho-
------------Larsson/Saviola-------

 

[Riku]

Barca`s line up looks really strong. Well, perhaps a bit too offensive but that`s normal at Barcelona. Even an average striker like Larsson should score around 20 goals if he plays as the lonely striker. Though I´m expecting Saviola to play quite a lot too since Larsson will probably be a huge flop and they don`t really have any other good strikers.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Yeah, I think they're still looking for the new "9" forward cause Saviola isn't pure center forward-a-like lone striker. And Larsson, I agree with you that he possibly will flop and even Barca doesn't seem to believe in him (that he could be their number one striker).

 

[Marco The Butcher]

Ok first of all ill include Edmilson ahead of Marquez. I really don’t think you can play both of them, plus Marquez shouldn’t play with Barca. He is a poor defender. About Larsson, i don’t agree with both of you. I hardly disagree with both of you but now i think its the time. Larsson is a striker who will give his all no matter what. His vision and fighting spirit will help the team a lot and the best thing about him is that he can play as a centre forward or as a support striker and therefore he will not be harmed if another striker arrives. With the service coming from Ron, Deco, Giuly, etc.. my little sister would score goals..!

Concerning Saviola, i really dont think he will feature much, and his future looks to be somewhere else.
Finally, i still think Barca needs a pure ball winner because Xavi is offensive and sucked when he played at that role.

 

[Gaetan]

Ok first of all ill include Edmilson ahead of Marquez.

Concerning Saviola, i really dont think he will feature much, and his future looks to be somewhere else.

Finally, i still think Barca needs a pure ball winner because Xavi is offensive and sucked when he played at that role.

Nope, Oleguer will be starting instead of Marquez and Edmilson or Motta will be playing DM in front of the two CM's supporting Ronaldinho and Guily.

Sadly, he's never gotten the respect he deserves. Now that he's accepted to go to the Olympics his future with the team doesn't look too bright. He will probably be sold in the winter break or next summer.

A pure ball winner? agreed. But they won't do this, instead they are buying a midfield anchorman. I hope Edmilson will turn out to be a decent ballwinner, as Barca really need someone to replace David's role.

Here's my linuep:

---------------Valdes---------------
Belletti---Puyol---Oleguer---Van Bronkhorst
--------------Edmilson-------------
----------Deco-------Xavi----------
--Giuly----------------Ronaldinho-
------------Larsson-------

 

[Marco The Butcher]

Edmilson is a pure central defender. Play him where he can do best.. Do you watch Lyon or just trying to fit him out of position to place Oleguer..??? Edmilson will be a joke if he plays infront of the defence. He can do a job but not as being infront of the keeper. He is not a utility player who can play anywhere, i watch him all the time with Lyon and i would never put him where you did. If you are insisiting on Oleguer then you should partner him with Edmilson and put Puyol in front of them, because Puyol can play anywhere but certainly not Edmilson.

 

[Handoyo]

Edmilson will warm the bench then. Puyol is a sure starter in the central of defence, I'm sure of this. And Oleguer looked very solid for Barca last season. My money is on Puyol - Oleguer and Edmilson as the first back-up.


Handyo

 

[Marco The Butcher]

Edmilson will warm the bench then. Puyol is a sure starter in the central of defence, I'm sure of this. And Oleguer looked very solid for Barca last season. My money is on Puyol - Oleguer and Edmilson as the first back-up.


Handyo

Ill quit the forum if Edmilson joined to warm the bench. Best Central defender in the french league for years and onne of the best in the last world cup. A proven hard man. He will partner Puyol that’s for sure. I will never play Oleguer for the mean time, not because he is young but because the ones there are on another level really. How would you put Oleguer and bench Edmislon..Never expected this to come from you Han

 

[Riku]

About Larsson, i don’t agree with both of you. I hardly disagree with both of you but now i think its the time. Larsson is a striker who will give his all no matter what. His vision and fighting spirit will help the team a lot and the best thing about him is that he can play as a centre forward or as a support striker and therefore he will not be harmed if another striker arrives. With the service coming from Ron, Deco, Giuly, etc.. my little sister would score goals..!

Yeah, that`s what I said. Even an average striker like Larsson should score goals with that kind of service. C`mon, just because the guy scored tons of goals in the Scottish leaque doesn`t make him a world class striker. I`m not saying he`s bad but definitely over rated.

About Saviola, he`s not a centre forward but will be forced to play as one if Barca won`t sign a new CF.

 

[Handoyo]

Ill quit the forum if Edmilson joined to warm the bench. Best Central defender in the french league for years and onne of the best in the last world cup. A proven hard man. He will partner Puyol that’s for sure. I will never play Oleguer for the mean time, not because he is young but because the ones there are on another level really. How would you put Oleguer and bench Edmislon..Never expected this to come from you Han

Honestly, I only watched Edmilson in the World Cup 2002, that's all. :embarass:


Handyo

 

[Pravesh]

Ill quit the forum if Edmilson joined to warm the bench. Best Central defender in the french league for years and onne of the best in the last world cup. A proven hard man. He will partner Puyol that’s for sure. I will never play Oleguer for the mean time, not because he is young but because the ones there are on another level really. How would you put Oleguer and bench Edmislon..Never expected this to come from you Han

What about Marquez. Can't Puyol play as RB, like before ?

 

[Handoyo]

He certainly can. But Belletti was bought from Villarreal by Barca and it looks certain that he'll start at the RB position.


Handyo

 

[Gaetan]

Edmilson is a pure central defender. Play him where he can do best..

If you are insisiting on Oleguer then you should partner him with Edmilson and put Puyol in front of them, because Puyol can play anywhere but certainly not Edmilson.

Actually, you couldn't be more wrong in your comments about Edmilson being a pure central defender. He's originally a defensive midfielder and was moved to defense in 2002 when he was needed in Brazil. His whole life he's been used as an anchorman in the midfield and that's the position he is currently playing for Brazil in their last two World Cup qualifiers.

Oleguer is a complete gem, home grown talent that has proven to be first team material. Marquez isn't all that great and i am not too fond of how many bad tackles & bookings he recieves. Puyol cannot play anywhere, i feel at times he is a headless chicken when attacked too much. I personally prefer him at right back. Btw, this is coming from one of the biggest Puyol fans you'll find as i adore Barcelona.

Ill quit the forum if Edmilson joined to warm the bench. Best Central defender in the french league for years and onne of the best in the last world cup. A proven hard man. He will partner Puyol that’s for sure. I will never play Oleguer for the mean time, not because he is young but because the ones there are on another level really. How would you put Oleguer and bench Edmislon..Never expected this to come from you Han

You won't have to quit the forum, but Edmilson was bought to play in the DM position left by Phillip Cocu. He'll be behind Xavi and Deco, i am almost certain of this. On your comparison between Oleguer and Edmilson, i'd take Oleguer every day of the week. Very cool player and at such a tender age, he's probably not even reached his potential yet.

My money is on Puyol - Oleguer and Edmilson as the first back-up.

You might be spot on, but Edmilson will either be starting as a DM or backing up Motta - and in that case, he'll start alot of games since that prick always gets into trouble with the refs letting his emotions get the better of him.

 

[Pani]

Luccin signed for Atletico.

Another good transfer for Colchoneros(Leo Franco,Antonio Lopez,Ibanez,Perea,Colsa).

Atletico is close at Forlan,Diomansy Camara too.

As an Atletico fan,I am starting dreaming... :star:

 

[Marco The Butcher]

Nerazzurro

-Edmilson played as a central defender with Lyon for the past 3 seasons. Sometimes he played in the midfield but he didn’t put the best display. He played as a central defender with Sao Paulo before Lyon, and he even played as a full back there. His strongest position was in the centre. Now let's see other clubs who were interested in him. Man Utd, Real Madrid, Chelsea and Juventus all were interested in him to come and play in the centre of defence. Even Bayern Munich wanted him before and there were some talks in the past few months about him to come and partner Lucio.

-Now about Puyol, you would certainly know(since you are the biggest fan) that he likes to play as a central defender too but at the same time he likes to attack much, and that’s why he can play good as a right back. If you read his quotes and interviews you will know what I am saying. So playing him as a right back or in the centre will not change his qualities really, and if you watch him week in week out with Barca and before with Spain you will know that he played a big role at both places.

-You will pick Oleguer and I'll pick Edmilson, after all each one has a taste. The guy benny in the forum said Javier Zanetti shouldn’t be captain, so no big deal really.

-So are you in the coaching staff to know he joined to be a DM..? If this is so then good luck. If no then I believe it's all speculations from your side.

-Finally, I never expected this back up for Motta coming from you or anyone actually. But hey, I forgot u like Brazilians in general.