Giovanni Fabbian

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Will need to pay a lot more then to get him back.
believe we have a predefined option for buying him back end of next season no?
 

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I still believe that is risky to trigger the option now. Let's leave him to develop one more season and then take a decision. 3 mln difference is not so much.
Even if we sell Frattesi (which seems unlikely to me), it's better to use Carboni, than Fabbian imo.
 

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I still believe that is risky to trigger the option now. Let's leave him to develop one more season and then take a decision. 3 mln difference is not so much.
Even if we sell Frattesi (which seems unlikely to me), it's better to use Carboni, than Fabbian imo.
I think we should use buy-back option for Fabbian and give him out on loan, do the same with Carboni, maybe there will be an opition to return Casadei for 10mln .... And Frattesi should not be sold anywhere... It's obviously better than spending money on Colpani or other one season players...
 

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If there's option for 2025 summer, we should absolutely leave Fabbian at Bologna, specially if Motta happens to stay there. Fabbian has his trust and gets minutes there. Our midfield should be pretty stacked next season.

Another scenario is we redeem him this summer and send him on loan to another club. This would be for the case when Motta leaves Bologna and no one knows what the next guy would do with Fabbian.
 

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At the rate he is developing and with his skill set and build id take Fabbian over Frattesi.
 

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Frattesi , Fabbian and Casadei ( an evolved version of Fabbian if you ask me) are great to have assets but you can't have more than 1 of them playing.

Same discussion for Vecino in the past. Once you have one of them starting you know that you have 1 player less in the build up play. If you can overcome that and still manage to bring the ball in the box to feed their off ball movement , great. Otherwise i will always prefer a midfielder who can create smth with the ball
 

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He's getting these starts also here and there. Is it purely because Bologna bought him so they have an incentive to use him and develop him? Because we have Carboni at Monza on a dry loan and he's getting starts too. Juve has Soule at Frosinone on a dry loan, he's almost like putting the league on fire. Talent level analyzed differently with these other two so the smaller clubs willing to take and use these young players even on dry loan?

I'm thinking did we really had to sell Fabbian last summer for so cheap price? Was the boy who forced a sale instead of dry loan?

Every story of a player is different and it would be interesting to know the background of this Fabbian thing when we compare some of these other players, like the mentioned names.

Every case is unique, but if you ask me which I prefer - dry loan vs. sale/w buyback - I'm taking the latter, for a reason that you touched on. Once you buy a player, you now have an obligation to try and integrate him into the team. If things go poorly, your investment is wasted. You won't reap benefits from either a future sale (back to the original club or elsewhere) or from them bolstering the squad through their quality.

Dry loans are high risk propositions. In the case of Soulé, he's clearly the most skilled player on that team, he's stood out, and there's no way you can't play him. (It doesn't hurt that Frosinone are basically built on the back of dry loans.) But you can look at the same team and find another player on loan who is a cautionary tale for dry loans - Reinier. One of Real Madrid's pricey Brazilian teenage purchases of recent years, and he was initially loaned to Dortmund, which made sense, that's where Hakimi had a two-year loan spell directly previous to all of that so good relationship with club and manager and whatever...didn't go according to plan at all. Played a total of 338 minutes (all comps) in '20/'21, 402 minutes the following season, and he's had inconsistent loan spells at Girona and Frosinone (687 minutes this year, equiv. of 7.67 full games of play) since then. He was unable to break into the team at Dortmund and his development was stunted because of that. An obvious response would be to say that he was never quite as good as he was hyped to be, that this was the odd Brazilian signing that Madrid completely missed on their evaluation, and I'm sure there's a lot of truth in that as well. The point is, if someone's on a dry loan and they can't impress the manager and break into the team, it's that much easier to put them on the end of the bench every week and think nothing more about it. Other than a loan fee, you aren't out anything more of your investment.

Having said all of that...I realize I compared one player on loan at a small club like Frosinone and another at a big club like Dortmund. Very different environments, very different levels of quality in the teammates around. Also obvious economic differences and degrees of interest for players to want to go to such clubs. If I'm dealing with a club that's very likely to at least remain in the league for the following season, it's definitely selling w/a buyback. With the Frosinone's of the world, they aren't going to have the financial capacity to make so many purchases and their desired transfer fee won't meet our standard. If that's where you're sending someone, you pretty much have no choice other than a loan. (I'm sure there are FFP and other budgetary components involved too but that's probably it's own talking point.)

tl;dr - I guess my view depends on the size of the club. The bigger the club, the more I prefer sale/w buyback for players in Fabbian or Carboni's situations.
 

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Now I read somewhere that we'd have 12m option to buy back Fabbian, but only in 2025. Which is perfectly fine since next summer there is no use getting him.
is it possible that they sell him to another club in summer 2024?
 

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But an obvious problem exists if Bologna were to sell him this summer. Unless that buyback either a) has a right of first refusal for us involving any sales prior to 2025 or b) essentially forces Bologna to keep the player until then, Bologna could sell him this summer and there's nothing we can do about it. Of course they could still run by us in the interest of good club relations, but if they're getting a bid higher than the €12M clause, we would either have to go higher to match or let the transfer happen and be left holding our dicks in our hands.
 

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is it possible that they sell him to another club in summer 2024?
if they do, if its not unreasonably expensive, we'd probably match it and bring him back anyway
 

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But an obvious problem exists if Bologna were to sell him this summer. Unless that buyback either a) has a right of first refusal for us involving any sales prior to 2025 or b) essentially forces Bologna to keep the player until then, Bologna could sell him this summer and there's nothing we can do about it. Of course they could still run by us in the interest of good club relations, but if they're getting a bid higher than the €12M clause, we would either have to go higher to match or let the transfer happen and be left holding our dicks in our hands.

There are no problems. Don't sow the panic man. :D

We can buy him for the set price, is it this summer or 2025 summer, no difference.
 

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we can't lose this kid....
 

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Kid already looked special in Serie B. He just needed playing time and a coach who would believe in him.

We can argue if he deserved to stay at Inter over Sensi or Klaassen but let's be honest. He wouldn't have played at Inter. Bologna was the best place for him to grow.

15m are gonna look like a steal in 2025. Let's hope we can afford it.
 

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He did really well in the last game? Are there highlights?
 
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