Any vegeterians over here?

[Luka]

Oh jeez Alex, it's so hard to understand that man

First of all, this dog you're reffering to, you say your mother gave it to you. Sorry to say it, but you mum is strange. She gave the dog to you, and yet you have no say in this even though you hate the dog, and probably she knows that ?!

The last paragraph is kinda cripted. What's the point of the last paragraph ?

ps. So you eat meat sometimes like your mother, or you are vegetarian after all ?

 

[M.Adnan]

There's no way that I can be vegeterian, not with my insane amount of daily physical activities.

 

[Alex de Large]

It's a long story, i actually wanted a dog but never did anything to get one.

The last paragraph is kinda cripted. What's the point of the last paragraph ?

What exactly?

 

[Hammoudi]

It's hard being a vegetarian although it's healthier. And protein can be obtained from non-meat sources like lentil, seafood, mushroom etc.

It'd be easy for me to turn vegetarian since I grew up in a coastal town and love sea food and rarely had beef (still don't like it.) I mainly eat lamb but it's expensive in North America and it's the least healthy of all meat; chicken I find dry and it's not tasty unless it's deep fried (which isn't healthy but I have once in a while.)

Being vegan, in the other hand, is extreme and unhealthy IMO.

 

[Alex de Large]

I didn't know the difference between vegan and vegetarian.

Carl Lewis says hello btw.

 

[shahz_nerazzurri]

I need meat. The day I dont eat meat, I feel weak, like really weak. Like you dont even wanna watch porn weak. And thats really weak.

I cant understand how people survive with out meat. Also the first post of this thread makes no sense at all. So you are saying you wanna become a vegan, and at the same time asking whats wrong with eating dogs? Its fine that you wanna become a hippie vegan, sit in a circle, eat broccoli and talk about corporations, but newsflash, hippie vegans dont eat dogs either no matter how much they hate them.

And Jesus alex, how old are you? Dog bites, well you kick it when it bites you. If its a big dog, well you tie it to a pole, and run over it accidentally when your mom is asleep. Or maybe you can get another dog, train it to fight, and then have a big dog fight one day, when your mom isnt home. Invite your friends, and get some beer.

I am a meatatarian btw. Few of us in the world. The pleasure you get from eating an animal is just amazing. I usually like to kill my own preys. You know just tie up a chicken or a cow, just look it right in the eye, with the knife in your hand before killing it, oh boy, and then bam!!, then slice it up really nice, pick up a steak with fresh blood dripping from it, and just throw it on the grill, and get some ketchup. Now thats food.

Also btw, dog meat stinks, thats why very few people eat it. Chicken, beef, mutton, pork are way more tender and also healthier to eat.

 

[Alex de Large]

You obviously didn't get anything, the story is not about this dog, the fucking dog is the most scared animal or human i have ever seen. I already had a bigger dog i found in the street in November, i was traveling and gave it to a friend, now i don't really want him back because i don't need a dog, i already have a cat who doesn't eat meat.

About of what you said that chicken, cow etc.. are real food, well, unfortunately Einstein, C. Lewis, 80% of Hollywood, Da Vinci, Luther King, John Lennon or Edison don't agree, and i believe them more than you, because you are a nobody.

 

[Luka]

It's a long story, i actually wanted a dog but never did anything to get one.



What exactly?

Like I've said, the second paragraph:

"It doesn't make sense that Europeans and Americans think think that Chinnese are crazy for eat dog, what the hell think the Indians about Europeans and Americans for eat cow? you eat ALL the animals except your own race or you don't eat any animal, it's logic.
When i was child i spend lot of time with the mother of my mother who loves meat and christianity (she didn't even know why). But yeah, my father is from India and he is 100% veg, my mother from Spain it's 50%, she eats meat or fish but sometimes, depend on the occasion. I, i don't know what i am actually."

I thought this is a thread about vegetarians, not about people who don't like eat dogs, but eat meat

You didn't answer my question Alex:

ps. So you eat meat sometimes like your mother, or you are vegetarian after all ?

I still don't know.

 

[Alex de Large]

I appreciate you care about what i really am.

It's very difficult to be vegetarian as a child when your grandmother says you CAN'T live without meat (sorry but this reminds me of religions, all lie). I never thought about it until i was maybe 17, but i never made the final step, sometimes i enjoyed the meat, but sometimes not (maybe i didn't eat meat during 2 or 3 weeks), i don't think i ever accepted it but if people around you do something you also do it.

Now i don't eat meat since 1 month exactly and i don't have plans to eat in the future. Unfortunately is difficult to be veg in a country like Spain, but i will try to live some year or years outside here.

 

[Luka]

I sense that you felt, offended ?? Am I right ?

I seriously do not care if you're vegetarian or not. You can be whoever you want, it is a free world. I was just interested, and wanted to talk about it.

So you are, or want to be vegetarian. Ok.

Do you have any reason for it, like "you hate the tase of meat", "you wouldn't eat killed animal" etc. ?

 

[Alex de Large]

My reason is that for me dogs and cows are the same, so it doesn't' make any sense eat one and live with the other. Plus i'am half Indian.

 

[cloudq]

whats to understand? one species of animal is born and bred to be eaten, the other one isn't and has a different role given to it by humans

btw, a vegan is an extremist vegetarian who believes its immoral to eat animal products, like milk

 

[Hammoudi]

Alex, if you want to be a vegetarian, then you should do it regardless of what society or others say. Yes, 'manly' people would tell you that meet is what makes a man and you die without it blah blah blah which is B.S. Some Indians have been vegetarian for millennia and they still survive, thrive and are healthier than the average meat eater.

It's for a fact that eating lots of meat is FAR worse than not eating meat at all. And like you said, things like lentil, eggs, beans, sea food etc. can replace meat. As long as you get enough proteins etc. from those sources, you should be fine.

Vegans (who don't eat any animal-derived product like eggs, milk etc.) are to the extreme and I think it's more of a hippie thing (what Shazzy talked about) rather than something rational.

I advice you to look for some vegetarian group in Barcelona (I am sure there are plenty) to share tips on what to do (local restaurant etc.) and I am pretty sure you will find hot chicks there who appreciate a man with principles, lol.

 

[Luka]

My reason is that for me dogs and cows are the same, so it doesn't' make any sense eat one and live with the other. Plus i'am half Indian.

Oh, ok. I got it now, and I got your first post.

That's quite a point actually.

For me it isn't like that. Animals are for me very important, because they (some) are what nature gave us to feed on. Like I've said, a human being is from its root a super predator, it always was.

For me it is natural. This is the purpose of animals to me, besides the fact they are part of the biosystem of earth without which we couldn't survive. It's just like the prupose of smaller fish for the sharks, is so they could feed on them. It's nature for me.

BUT, killing animals for your PLEASURE ONLY is a total differente thing, and that is something I TOTALLY am against of. For example, skinning animals just for that is wrong. Shooting animals just for the sake of shooting or getting a trophy is wrong.

I think I'm accurate to say that indians who eaten the meat cherished the animals a lot, they knew the importance of the animals, who gave them food and warmth in the winter.

It's for a fact that eating lots of meat is FAR worse than not eating meat at all.

Is it ?

From what I know the first tools a man created were to help him hunt and kill animals, not to do a garden in the backyard and eat vegetables.

Man evolved eating meat, and whether it allowed man to evolve is not something I'm suggesting. I'm just stating, man has eaten meat a lot, a lot longer, than he has eaten so many vegetables like we do today, and he did just fine.

ps. I thought vegetarians don't eat sea-food as well (?)

 

[Hammoudi]

Luka, as any doctor or nutritionist and he will tell you how harmful overeating meat is. I think heart diseases are the number one killer in the world, and a major part of this is eating lots of red meat.

I think vegans don't eat sea food but most vegetarians do.

I kind of agree on your point about the fact that some animals are necessary for human consumption. Just like humans were once upon a time a consumption for animals higher on the food chain (lions, other wild animals) and still are (I bet a tiger or a bear would like to feast on some FI members.) It's the rule of nature.

 

[Luka]

Luka, as any doctor or nutritionist and he will tell you how harmful overeating meat is. I think heart diseases are the number one killer in the world, and a major part of this is eating lots of red meat.

I dissagree. I also dissagree about "any doctor" part. I think you would find a lot of doctors who took other conclusions from the heart diseases rates.

I base my thinking mostly on logic, I don't have stats in front of me, although I read couple of books by a doctor one day about it where there was some stats and explaining and all.

I can't say for the whole world, but basing on my own country where the things (when it comes to health and serious health problems) are not improving but are in fact worse every year. One could ask himself why is that? We never have eaten so many fruits from other lands, "healthy" juices, took vitamins from pils, and yet the things are worse than ever, not the other way around. Environment is important ofcourse, but what you eat is more important.

Lets look at diabetes. It's not a disease that goes hand in hand with a man kind since birth. This became a real problem only in XX century. And why is that?

There is not a single animal in the world that you will find and lives in natural habitate, is sick from diabetes. Only human, and the only reason for it is the overly consumption of products that have a lot of carbs in them. Sweets, sugar, candy, all this junk who is put into todays products is the only reason for it.

It sometimes put a smile on my face, when I see girls talking of how eating little fat is important to keep your wieght, when there is not a single gram of Fat in their body, that became from fat that they have eaten. In fact every single gram of fat in every human body came from carbs that we eat and nothing else.

 

[cloudq]

nutrition has been a well documented and well studied area.

its not a case of simply eating fruit, its eating fruit in proportion to how much meat, dairy, sweets etc. theres a reason why there is a food pyramid (google this).

early humans weren't carnivores. they primarily scavenged for fruit and vegetables, hence why humans are omnivores, because we eat everything. early humans weren't very good hunters (relative to actual predators), we however, were very good scavengers of food: of fruit, edible herbs, of dead carcasses of animals, fishing. (we also invented fire and learned to cook food to help our bodies digest these foods)

diseases such as GIT diseases, diabetes, heart disease, dyslipidemia come from an imbalance of food consumption and western culture's sedimentary lifestyle.

and you wonder why overeating meat is such a problem, because nobody knows how much they should actually be eating. i doubt many people even know what ONE portion of meat is supposed to be. (nb, one portion = half the size of the palm of your hand).

humans survived because our bodies were meant to store as much energy for survival reasons for when food was scarce. now that food (and essentially energy) is so readily available in western culture, we are massively overconsuming and are too ignorant to take a step back and ask how much we should be consuming in the first place

modern science has deduced that you only require 20 essential amino acids (building blocks of protein) in addition to sufficient carbohydrates (sugars, starch, wheat, rice) for energy. your body produces 18 of these naturally (although not in sufficient quantities), the other two require you to eat (nb, they come from beans/lentils and corn, hence the mexican indians were the healthiest people in the world).

so yes, its entirely possible to substitute protein that ancient humans required through beans/lentils whatever.

vitamins (vital amines) arent actually essential, but are incredibly useful for body metastasis, your body will still endogenously produce sufficient quantities in order to function, but again. too much of a good thing will lead to health problems.

its always best to find a balance. and there is tonnes upon tonnes of literature on this subject of nutrition

 

[Alex de Large]

I honestly think you just need a balanced diet. A bit of everything but no meat. I didn't know the difference between vegan and vegetarian, thanks for the info, i will always drink milk and eat eggs, if i agree with the abort of humans i also agree with the abort of the chicken, thats only my opinion.

I advice you to look for some vegetarian group in Barcelona (I am sure there are plenty) to share tips on what to do (local restaurant etc.) and I am pretty sure you will find hot chicks there who appreciate a man with principles, lol.

Don't worry because i will have no problem about become totally vegetarian, i think right now my brain works better than 6 weeks before and maybe it's because of this.
Plus: Natalie Portman, Naomi Watts, Penélope Cruz, Alyssa Milano, Kristen Bell, Vanessa Marcil, Alicia Keys, Alicia Silverstone, Kim Bassinger, Ashley Judd, Pamela Anderson, Jenny McCarthy, Kate Winslet.... damn.

Is it ?

From what I know the first tools a man created were to help him hunt and kill animals, not to do a garden in the backyard and eat vegetables.

Man evolved eating meat, and whether it allowed man to evolve is not something I'm suggesting. I'm just stating, man has eaten meat a lot, a lot longer, than he has eaten so many vegetables like we do today, and he did just fine.

ps. I thought vegetarians don't eat sea-food as well (?)

Man has a evolution. Our ancestors are animals, unless you believe in the Adan and Eva shit, i guess no

I know it's a bit off topic. But 100 years ago in a lot of countries (including, obviously, European countries) woman didn't vote and was normal to see man kicking wifes asses while the woman can't even tell the police about it. We made an evolution. Soon or later will happen the same with humans eating meat, like Leonardo Da Vinci said.

 

[Alex de Large]

Btw, the dog stuff, we are finally giving him and problem is over, but i thank this dog for make me vegetarian, it was so hard to convince my mother, i had to scream, cry and more things i don't want to speak right now.
I was never serious about killing a dog, or any animal.

 

[Luka]

Man has a evolution. Our ancestors are animals, unless you believe in the Adan and Eva shit, i guess no

I know it's a bit off topic. But 100 years ago in a lot of countries (including, obviously, European countries) woman didn't vote and was normal to see man kicking wifes asses while the woman can't even tell the police about it. We made an evolution. Soon or later will happen the same with humans eating meat, like Leonardo Da Vinci said.

IMO what you're talking about is evolution of ideas/thinking/seeing things.

That has nothing to do with nature, evolving human as organism, like a man evolved from monkey etc.

A man was created this way, the nature created us like this. You don't tell a dog to eat chocalate from tomorrow morning.