Any vegeterians over here?

[Luka]

Humans do, because the nature created us this way.

The same nature Alex, that created you and all human species to eat flesh.

This is not a "phylosophical" matter. This is the way nature created us, and we can't change our "manual" just because.

 

[Alex de Large]

There is a nature, but there is a evolution, like i said before, 100 years ago it was normal to kick your wife and women didn't vote, now this kinds of things are crazy.
iam pretty sure in 3500/4000 90% of people will be veg (if a war or some natural disaster doesn't end the world of course) or they will become 100% because the factories which do this will be illegal.

 

[Luka]

Alex, do you know how incredibly slowly evolution works ?

It would take many, many millenias untill our organisms would change in that way.

Maybe it will happen someday, but it didn't happen yet.

As for the kicking the wife stuff, like I've already said you're mixing things. This was evolution of MIND, on a psychological level.

This has nothing to do with evolution of an organism, and in particularly the brain.

 

[Alex de Large]

There is no prove that eating meat is necessary to body. Why vegetarian people are alive and not dead?

 

[Luka]

There is no prove eathing plant protein is necessary to body.

Why people who eat flesh are alive and not dead ?

I already told you Alex, that a man can eat almost anything, but it doesn't mean it is best for you.

Some people smoke cigarets all life, and are not dead. But are not perfectly healthy either.

I've read a book, where a person claimed that biochemists know for a fact and it is stated in books that are written by biochemists, that human should eat protein that are closest to our protein from the structural level (I don't know how to translate it to english). Anyways, what they claim is that human proteins, or tishues, are closer in their built to animals, and are far far different to plant protein, which we shouldn't eat much for this very reason.

 

[Hammoudi]

Humans do, because the nature created us this way.

The same nature Alex, that created you and all human species to eat flesh.

This is not a "phylosophical" matter. This is the way nature created us, and we can't change our "manual" just because.

I partially agree, but nature didn't create us to jam 1000000 live animals in atrocious conditions and then kill them horribly.

TBH, I'd love to own a farm one day, raise and slaughter my animals in a humane and organic way, I don't see anything wrong with that. The way it's done these days is disgusting, not to mention unsanitary/unhealthy.

 

[Alex de Large]

I agree, it ONLY depends on the person himself, some people have to start to eat meat for health issues, and some other people should stop to eat meat for health issues, we can give examples of both. But if I KNOW i will not have problems with a vegetarian diet why not try it? i started 2 months ago, let's see how is my health in 22 months (i will still be here if i don't get banned for insulting Motta), which will be 2 years. You don't know if you don't try. If someone has been smoking for 8 years and doesn't have any problems he can decide to stop or not, if someone has been smoking for 8 years and starts to have problems, he should obviously stop it.

Yeah, there are organic shops to buy food who are way better than the usual ones, it's a bit more expensive but the quality it's 100 times better.
We have one here in Spain and it's excellent for vegetarian people, tofu, yogurt etc etc... lots of things with quality. And you know what, they also sell meat, but it's controled meat. If you kill an animal torturing him he will be in constant fear, you actually eat that fear and makes you feel scary, not the way that you think someone is gonna kill u, but it's not healthy.
What they do in factories is not ethic and i don't want to take part of that. Maybe if it was like thousands of years ago or like some very specific places on the world;i would do it.

 

[Luka]

I partially agree, but nature didn't create us to jam 1000000 live animals in atrocious conditions and then kill them horribly.

And I agree with you completely Ham. But like I've said, it is happening for the profit of rich people, to make a penny more. Less space to keep maintained, bigger profit.

There is no else explanation. If it wasn't for profit, the animals would have space, would be let out from time to time, not living in cages whole life.

Organic food, that is produced naturally is more expensive, but the biggest part of this difference that makes it more expensive, comes from economic reasons. If all people suddenly went for organic food, the prices would drop down immiedietly (ofcourse after the supply would go to sufficient level).

How animals are treated in those "factories" IS WRONG, obviously. You go to small farms on country sides, to people who live thanks to animals, people who don't have animals for profit, but simply for food (milk, eggs, cheese, butter etc. etc.) and you'll see how they are aware of animals importance, and they wouldn't treat those animals this way.

But Vegetarians are not doing what they do because of that. If they were only against treating animals this way, what stopps them (especialy those living in coutnry side) to keep their own animals, to treat them the way they want, and still eat meat ?

Vegetarians are against killing animals for food, and no matter how humane you can do it, it will never be anything different - killing. But like I've said, a man is super-predator, and the nature created us this way.

If someone has been smoking for 8 years and doesn't have any problems he can decide to stop or not, if someone has been smoking for 8 years and starts to have problems, he should obviously stop it.

Alex , nobody in this thread as far as I've seen told you you can't be vegetarian. This is your choice, and you can do whatever you want.

We were only discussing reasons for being a vegetarian, or reasons to eat meat.