UEFA Champions League 2020/2021

[brehme1989]

By the way, for those who think I'm always exaggerating with shit, maybe you need to check out how UEFA's crew tried to get Manchester United into qualification mode by:
1) Giving them a non-existent penalty, when they could have actually given an offensive foul at the beginning
2) Allowing their 2nd goal which went in by hitting Maguire's extender arm.
3) Converting a Leipzig 90th minute corner kick into a goalk kick that led to:
i) a chance to equalize with less than 2 minutes to go via an own goal.
ii) If the Leipzig keeper wasn't lucky that it hit both his feet while unbalanced, Man Utd would have been through.

 

[armendsh]

In respect of those who were treated bad and died cause of their color
But in this case this has become a women sport wtf is this shit??

 

[firmino]

Apparently he said something like: "The black one over there. Go and check who he is. The black one over there, it's not possible to act like that."

Not a particularly great way to address someone. I can see why the Istanbul players/staff and even some PSG players were protesting. Especially with UEFA's stance on #SayNoToRacism and then one of their officials says something dumb like that

Ok, i get what their point was. What i don't get is why basaksehir refused to play even after it was told them that guy would switch places with the var official. At that point, it looked a bit like they were looking for an excuse to be mad.

 

[Howl]

how should he have said it? Or should he know who Webo is. Black people are proud of their color, but when another race says it, it's a problem. Then change the BLM slogan aswell. All in all the guy is black, the ref didn't do anything wrong.

I dont know man, I wouldnt refer to someone as the black one over there and i'm guessing the manner in which he said it in obviously wasn't friendly hence why people were more incensed about it.

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Ok, i get what their point was. What i don't get is why basaksehir refused to play even after it was told to them that guy would switch places with the var official. At that point, it looked a bit like they were looking for an excuse to be mad.

In fairness I think M'bappe and quite a few of the PSG players also seemed like they didn't want to continue and backed the Istanbul players/staff.

 

[Eddie]

Sometimes you gotta look at this in the perspective of a person of color.

They hear being referred as black and it triggers a bad emotion.
if you are not black you don’t know what people have gone through.

Is it ok to call someone by “hey black guy” if you don’t know their name??

Me as a Hispanic in America have experienced some racism but not to the level of an African American in USA.
The discomfort that I have felt doesn’t compare to the shit you see where people are calling African Americans the N word and being hateful . But it still hurts me and I can’t imagine what other people go through.

 

[brehme1989]

I dont know man, I wouldnt refer to someone as the black one over there and i'm guessing the manner in which he said it in obviously wasn't friendly hence why people were more incensed about it.

Well, the assistant was pretty mad over something which is why the retard ref called the ref to give him a card. I think he was already in boiling point for whatever reason and hearing that he just went berserk.

I'm not sure how many black coaches the Turkish team had, but it couldn't have been that many so I get that in haste a Romanian speaking to a fellow Romanian would use that language, which isn't really offensive, but rather descriptive. It was the first thing to point out to ensure that the ref would understand who the assistant was referring to. They were all wearing the same stuff, maybe a couple of them had a hat or a hoodie or something and were covered with masks and stuff. It's also in the heat of the game, refs also have to endure some shit, so you cannot really think clearly, it's intercom between 4-5 speakers of the same language in a foreign country. When you have the liberty to speak in your language with no one else understanding you, you cannot really understand how easy it is to say whatever you want without filter. The word used just happens to have a terrible connotation in English and several other cultures so it was picked up quite easily.

Either way, it escalated quickly and I don't think this is the right decision [to not play the game]. The solution offered was satisfactory, they'd eliminate the stupid 4th ref and they'd switch him with someone from the VAR team.

In fairness I think M'bappe and quite a few of the PSG players also seemed like they didn't want to continue and backed the Istanbul players/staff.

Actually the PSG players were worried and confused. They thought that the Basaksehir bench was calling for the suspension of a PSG player and/or member of staff. They were standing there for 5 minutes around the ref and no one really had an idea initially what happened. They then heard from the Turkish bench that the referee called their assistant a "negro" and decided to support them. The ref was confused as fuck, he had just given a couple of red cards and now he had two teams that didn't want to play anymore

Unprecedented events either way. UEFA needs to rewrite their bylaws to include situations where the ref may fuck up and lead teams to abandon the game.

 

[brakbrak]

Sometimes you gotta look at this in the perspective of a person of color.

They hear being referred as black and it triggers a bad emotion.
if you are not black you don’t know what people have gone through.

Is it ok to call someone by “hey black guy” if you don’t know their name??

Me as a Hispanic in America have experienced some racism but not to the level of an African American in USA.
The discomfort that I have felt doesn’t compare to the shit you see where people are calling African Americans the N word and being hateful . But it still hurts me and I can’t imagine what other people go through.

I get that but as IM21 said, how else was he supposed to address him? If he didn't know his name and didn't happen to see his number?

 

[Fapuccino]

This just comes with the territory of holding an international tournament. Demba Ba doesn't speak Romanian, so he just heard a dude saying the n word while pointing. And as for the ref, the word "black" is one of the most common words in any language, so it doesn't hold a "sting" in a language like the n word does in English.

You can still make the argument that referees still shouldn't refer to players by race/color, but it's quite clear that the ref didn't mean it like originally thought. I feel like UEFA is still going to do something, or else they'll look bad.

 

[Kramerica Industries]

how should he have said it? Or should he know who Webo is. Black people are proud of their color, but when another race says it, it's a problem. Then change the BLM slogan aswell. All in all the guy is black, the ref didn't do anything wrong.

Well, just to play devil's advocate a little bit, just because black people may be proud of their color and use some terms freely amongst themselves doesn't mean those terms are meant to be used by everybody. It's kind of the whole "I can make fun of my brother but I'll fight you if you do" kind of thing.

But based on the understand I've gained that "negru" is the Romanian word for black, and that's obviously a very similar word to other words for black in romance languages (especially in Spanish and Portuguese). In Romanian, it doesn't carry a negative connotation, and while this may not excuse some general poor judgment on the official's part, he probably just thought himself talking in Romanian to another Romanian official and thought nothing further of it, and Webo, who is from Cameroon, an English/French bilingual country, heard a word awfully similar to a negative-in-English equivalent, and didn't take too kindly to it.

I think the worst you can accuse the fourth official of is poor judgment. I don't believe for one second that it was said with a racist intention.

 

[Strale]

So, only few months ago the whole Barca-verse were convincing Lautaro to come. One of the protagonist of the pursuit is not at Barca anymore (lol), one wants to leave and is declining (lol) and the team as a whole is as shit as they come (lol). No idea if Vidal said anything, but he is at Inter now (lol, works both ways though).

 

[Irequis]

Western world is creating hypersensitive environment. Referring people by their physical features such as skin color, hair, height etc is not considered racist in many part of the world. Calling people black or negro in South America or Asia is something common and the black communities are not offended either. Meanwhile, blacks in western ask everyone to wrap them in cotton wool and they are offended by anything harmless. A movie does not have black people casts? An office does not have black staffs? Good luck receiving backlash of being racist. Even worse is they shove the mentality to the rest of the world. It is okay if US or UK want to battle racism by not identifying somebody with their skin colors, just don't force other countries to follow their culture.

 

[Kenny]

Yepp, he said "tipul ala negru", which means "that black guy". It's very common in romanian and has zero negative conotations, heck, my kid, once referred to a gypsi guy as "that brown man" , is he racist? No, just used a word that was differentiating the man, like when he is using "that bald guy". Is he racist towards people with no hair?

 

[Jnr]

Barca getting slapped by struggling Rube? They are done. Next round Bayern or Pool. They will invent a new phrase for raping.

 

[forzainter257]

I remember when I was a student back in the days my black friends would call me "suzuki", "hitachi" for looking like japanese/chinese. Fucking racists

 

[brehme1989]

and Webo, who is from Cameroon, an English/French bilingual country, heard a word awfully similar to a negative-in-English equivalent, and didn't take too kindly to it.

Webó is someone who spent years playing in Spain. For those that do not remember he was a player of Mallorca after Samuel Eto'o.

He already was angry at something with the 4th ref and obviously wasn't very fond of him to begin with. I don't think he'd react the same way if there wasn't an immediately previous incident that led to that.

Once you dislike a guy, you will hate anything he'll say. And they found the perfect situation to create this fuss, whether it is warranted or not.

 

[Campione]

Tbh, UEFA should fine both teams for their actions.

 

[Gaindé]

Western world is creating hypersensitive environment. Referring people by their physical features such as skin color, hair, height etc is not considered racist in many part of the world. Calling people black or negro in South America or Asia is something common and the black communities are not offended either. Meanwhile, blacks in western ask everyone to wrap them in cotton wool and they are offended by anything harmless. A movie does not have black people casts? An office does not have black staffs? Good luck receiving backlash of being racist. Even worse is they shove the mentality to the rest of the world. It is okay if US or UK want to battle racism by not identifying somebody with their skin colors, just don't force other countries to follow their culture.

Hypersensitivity is a thing but in a professionnal environment no one should refer to another person by their physical feature, their skin color, whether it's a white guy calling a black guy 'black' or the other way around. Especially on the football pitch, players have numbers, staff members have badges, it's offensive and unprofessionnal to refer to them by another mean of identification if you don't know their name, I don't think we should normalize it.

 

[Shark]

Hypersensitivity is a thing but in a professionnal environment no one should refer to another person by their physical feature, their skin color, whether it's a white guy calling a black guy 'black' or the other way around. Especially on the football pitch, players have numbers, staff members have badges, it's offensive and unprofessionnal to refer to them by another mean of identification if you don't know their name, I don't think we should normalize it.

I dunno, if a white guy playing in an African club commits a foul, I'd say "the white guy should be sent off" (if his skin color clearly separates him from the rest).

But I agree, it's not hypersensitivity. People are missing the historical context. Europeans managed to be so racist and drag a simple name of a color through the mud to the extent that the West refers to it as the "n-word". Lmao. So for foreseeable eternity, whenever a white dude drops the n bomb, people are gonna raise an eyebrow, regardless of whether it was ill-intentioned or not.

Webo's reaction is legit. If I were black, I'd be skeptical as well.

 

[Eddie]

But I agree, it's not hypersensitivity. People are missing the historical context. Europeans managed to be so racist and drag a simple name of a color through the mud to the extent that the West refers to it as the "n-word". Lmao. So for foreseeable eternity, whenever a white dude drops the n bomb, people are gonna raise an eyebrow, regardless of whether it was ill-intentioned or not.

Webo's reaction is legit. If I were black, I'd be skeptical as well.

Exactly!!! people that aren’t of color and been through it can’t understand this or simply don’t want to.
Webo has all the right to feel offended.

 

[brehme1989]

I dunno, if a white guy playing in an African club commits a foul, I'd say "the white guy should be sent off" (if his skin color clearly separates him from the rest).

But I agree, it's not hypersensitivity. People are missing the historical context. Europeans managed to be so racist and drag a simple name of a color through the mud to the extent that the West refers to it as the "n-word". Lmao. So for foreseeable eternity, whenever a white dude drops the n bomb, people are gonna raise an eyebrow, regardless of whether it was ill-intentioned or not.

Webo's reaction is legit. If I were black, I'd be skeptical as well.

It'd be much cooler if instead of European you actually just mentioned the few nations that are responsible for this. I don't see "Europeans" taking the blame for some other atrocities.

If you want to play the historical context game, perhaps you need to remove the focus from the US, UK and French point of view and maybe focus on other parts. When countries like Sweden have to go to war for slave trade in the Mediterranean, you can imagine how ugly the entire world must have been at some point. There is a very cruel and harsh truth as to why this persisted only in North America but I'll stop it here. Just don't generalize by putting the entire blame on 'Europe'. There are specific actors that caused this.


I also agree that Webo's reactions was warranted, not because of the term used but because there obviously was some confrontation earlier. The 4th ref was going to send him off prior to saying to the ref whatever was said. So there was already tension there. It can be understandable that when someone feels disadvantaged and aggravated by another person, and then he hears a certain word uttered about him, that it'll make him feel even worse. But the whole situation was dealt with very shitty. I'd be pissed if an Inter game was not played because something a stupid ref told a probably equally stupid technical staff member [may retract on this if what led to the expulsion prior to the black comments comes to light]

Oh and of course, as a ref responsible for the fluidity of the game, while it makes sense to express yourself in your language the usual way, it's not really standard to use such terminology. Especially when you are recorded and surrounded by people, with no fans at the stadium. The 4th ref being a moron is granted.