UEFA Champions League 2017/2018

[Shark]

I find the Twitter post strange, and pretty unnecessary. In the States this type of stuff is celebrated as being forward thinking. Anti-bullying, sensitive humanitarian and what not.

I'd guess it's Inter trying to be more of a modern club. It will play well for many fans in some markets but others will surely call us pussies for it. Curious about the Italian perspective. FYI they did not post the IT translation of that message on their Italian feed but instead retweeted the English version.

Lol you are overanalyzing this. Karius made two embarassing mistakes in a CL final when the whole world was watching. Is it not believable that people genuinely feel sorry for the guy? It's ok to be nice and express it and not fear what others might think of you. And who tf reads that tweet and goes "what pussies!"

Btw Inter's twitter isn't afraid of the "Italian perspective" (whatever that means lol). They tweeted this on the English channel for the same reason why they congragulated RM only on the Spanish channel.

 

[K.I.]

I actually did say that Klopp was the one to blame for relying on an average GK all season. Has anyone who watched Liverpool this season see anything like this? you don't expect these kinds of mistakes in CL finals.

Lol you are overanalyzing this. Karius made two embarassing mistakes in a CL final when the whole world was watching. Is it not believable that people genuinely feel sorry for the guy? It's ok to be nice and express it and not fear what others might think of you. And who tf reads that tweet and goes "what pussies!"

Btw Inter's twitter isn't afraid of the "Italian perspective" (whatever that means lol). They tweeted this on the English channel for the same reason why they congragulated RM only on the Spanish channel.

I think he was taking about how people view football mistakes, he was wondering if the media or Italian football people would be more forgiving or just pile on how bad he was.

 

[Ed.]

How could it be Klopp's fault that his goalie choice is between Karius and Mignolet. It is like choosing dumb and dumber. If Klopp played Mignolet, they probably would lose 6-1.
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[Peppino]

How could it be Klopp's fault that his goalie choice is between Karius and Mignolet. It is like choosing dumb and dumber. If Klopp played Mignolet, they probably would lose 6-1.
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Who signed Karius? And I really don't think leaving a guy out there after an error like that helps anyone.

 

[firmino]

I find the Twitter post strange, and pretty unnecessary. In the States this type of stuff is celebrated as being forward thinking. Anti-bullying, sensitive humanitarian and what not.

I'd guess it's Inter trying to be more of a modern club. It will play well for many fans in some markets but others will surely call us pussies for it. Curious about the Italian perspective. FYI they did not post the IT translation of that message on their Italian feed but instead retweeted the English version.

the comments were positive, "classy" and stuff. so, ok, i guess that tweet served at least a purpose. but i feel it was unnecessary, too. not even a former Inter player, plus it's not like something dramatic on a human level has happened to him.

 

[Ed.]

Who signed Karius? And I really don't think leaving a guy out there after an error like that helps anyone.

Who would have thought they land themselves in the Champions League Final?

A team with defenders consist of Lovren, some random full backs, mediocre midfielders.

This Liverpool team is probably worse than Inter current squad. But, hey, they are runner up of CL. This team is also worse than Klopp's Dortmund. This is a team that is undergoing transition as well.

Yes, Karius made mistakes, but no one put pressure on Bale for both goals. 5 Liverpool players were around Bale and let him took the shot!

You can point finger to Klopp but without him, they won't even play CL final. They were nowhere to be found when Klopp arrived. CL final within 2 full seasons? I wouldn't blame on Klopp. Could he do better? There is always room for improvement.

 

[Peppino]

Who would have thought they land themselves in the Champions League Final?

A team with defenders consist of Lovren, some random full backs, mediocre midfielders.

This Liverpool team is probably worse than Inter current squad. But, hey, they are runner up of CL. This team is also worse than Klopp's Dortmund. This is a team that is undergoing transition as well.

Yes, Karius made mistakes, but no one put pressure on Bale for both goals. 5 Liverpool players were around Bale and let him took the shot!

You can point finger to Klopp but without him, they won't even play CL final. They were nowhere to be found when Klopp arrived. CL final within 2 full seasons? I wouldn't blame on Klopp. Could he do better? There is always room for improvement.

The fact he got them there isn't the point. He left a guy out there who had to be mentally distraught. It's a bit like boxing, there are times when a guy's trainer just has to throw in the towel. Sometimes for the health of an individual you have to be cruel to be kind and pull him off. Buffon, Neuer or Casillas would have struggled to be mentally strong and ready to play on after an error like that in the biggest club game on Earth, much less some dodgy keeper.

 

[Ed.]

The fact he got them there isn't the point. He left a guy out there who had to be mentally distraught. It's a bit like boxing, there are times when a guy's trainer just has to throw in the towel. Sometimes for the health of an individual you have to be cruel to be kind and pull him off. Buffon, Neuer or Casillas would have struggled to be mentally strong and ready to play on after an error like that in the biggest club game on Earth, much less some dodgy keeper.

So, give a solution. What should have he done?

He is in the final of Champions League. He has 2 mediocre goalkeepers in his disposal who has been with the club for at least 2 seasons. He played with his better goalkeeper. The goalkeeper made a huge mistake, then what? Sub him with Mignolet who is much worse? The king of finger slipping? They would have lost with much bigger margin had Klopp decided to sub in Mignolet.

My advice is learn who Simon Mignolet is.

 

[firmino]

i think klopp has to take responsibility for the goalkeepers he chose. i'm pretty sure liverpool could do better than karius.


edit: by "chose" i meant during the transfer session, the ones he chose to sign (or not sign).

 

[K.I.]

I was taking about Klopp making the mistake of not signing a top goalkeeper, not the "mistake" of choosing the best of both average options. And also thats why i asked if mistakes like this happened before this season at Liverpool.

Even though the first mistake was terrible, i think after the equalizer and him maybe thinking it was offside he thought play was done so i chalked it up to a mistake made, second goal was hard to get to, third is what killed the game and combined with the first mistake he was the main reason they lost. And the terrible thing is they were completely avoidable.

 

[firmino]

I was taking about Klopp making the mistake of not signing a top goalkeeper, not the "mistake" of choosing the best of both average options. And also thats why i asked if mistakes like this happened before this season at Liverpool.

Even though the first mistake was terrible, i think after the equalizer and him maybe thinking it was offside he thought play was done so i chalked it up to a mistake made, second goal was hard to get to, third is what killed the game and combined with the first mistake he was the main reason they lost. And the terrible thing is they were completely avoidable.

ok, my message wasn't clear i guess. by "chose" i meant during the transfer session, the ones he chose to sign (or not sign).

 

[Ed.]

i think klopp has to take responsibility for the goalkeepers he chose. i'm pretty sure liverpool could do better than karius.

Responsibility of what? Losing CL final?

He landed to the CL final with this goalkeeper! He could definitely do better but how can you say the mistake of losing CL final because they don't have a better GK which means the mistake was done last summer or last January.. Many many matches before.

Again, nobody would have imagined it was Liverpool who contested Real Madrid in the final.

Furthermore, it is not only the GK that is not up to CL final standard. Their whole defence and midfield could do much much better. For example, the last goal, Bale took a shot being mesmerised by 5 Liverpool players. Nobody even tried to close down.

If there is anything Klopp has to take responsibility is how he developed his defence system. His defence is atrocious. This exposed Karius even more.

 

[K.I.]

Firmino i agree with u, choosing in the transfer market.

Ed, Responsibility of choosing an average GK, not the CL loss. But you are correct, those mistakes were not expected by anyone to be fair, regardless of how average the GK is.

 

[Ed.]

Firmino i agree with u, choosing in the transfer market.

Ed, Responsibility of choosing an average GK, not the CL loss. But you are correct, those mistakes were not expected by anyone to be fair, regardless of how average the GK is.

Klopp definitely focused more on the attacking side in the last 2 years by bringing in Mane, Salah and Oxlade. Only at later stage he was fixing his defence with Van Dijk which is still not good enough. Karius seems to be a cheap solution for a better upgrade than Mignolet rather than a real focus on building a great defence.

Also, who is the top goalie could be available for Klopp in the last 2 seasons?

 

[Ed.]

My advice is learn about mental stability. If you think a guy can overcome a mistake like that in the heat of the biggest club game on Earth more power to you.

Still no solution. Just finger pointing on Klopp.

So, Klopp had to save Karius' mental stability by risking conceding more goals instead of 3 goals. Whatalogic.

 

[Peppino]

Still no solution. Just finger pointing on Klopp.

So, Klopp had to save Karius' mental stability by risking conceding more goals instead of 3 goals. Whatalogic.

No, he didn't have to save Karius' mental stability, he had to do his best by his team. You want to leave a guy out there who has just committed what will quite probably go down as the biggest error ever committed by a goalkeeper in the biggest match of the season? And you talk about logic. Sorry, but I'm imagining you working in a circus. You say Mignolet is worse than Karius? How? Does he literally turn round and fuck the ball into his own net? Do you genuinely think Karius could have been in any fit state to continue on after that first error?

 

[Universe]

I think you're looking at it the wrong way.

I don't believe the first goal somehow broke Karius and put him in some kind of unusable mental state. That's simply how Karius is. He always does stupid shit. Obviously the first goal was a low point (even for Karius) caused by sheer complacency / thoughtlessness / lack of awareness, but the second goal? That's routine Karius. He did the same thing against Kolarov and Roma too btw, except that shot hit the crossbar after his 'save'.

 

[Peppino]

I think you're looking at it the wrong way.

I don't believe the first goal somehow broke Karius and put him in some kind of unusable mental state. That's simply how Karius is. He always does stupid shit. Obviously the first goal was a low point (even for Karius) caused by sheer complacency / thoughtlessness / lack of awareness, but the second goal? That's routine Karius. He did the same thing against Kolarov and Roma too btw, except that shot hit the crossbar after his 'save'.

Maybe the man is just a lunatic and I'm putting on him the assessment I'd give to a normal person. I just think it is incredibly difficult for someone to deal with a mistake like that. But if, as you say, he's for the big house then maybe it doesn't bother him so much.

 

[JJM]

I'm a better GK than Karius...Maybe I'm not as physically fit(damn lasagna and beer) as he is but damn...he is retarded and clumsy. okerface:The first goal was a total idiotic careless stupid move,not even on FIFA as a joke you can't make such an idiotic move...tbh
The 3rd goal...NO WORDS! just...clumsy and hilarious

Berni, I'm sure is better than Karius...

 

[K.I.]

Yah i disagree about the mental stability point.

The first goal was definitely a big mistake on his part, but a lot of time players think refs will call offside, i think this is the first time i have seen a GK fall for it, and also casually roll the ball to his defender in that manner. Usually if a striker is right there u hold onto the ball until u see what the ref calls or u just play it high and wide to ur fullback.

The 3rd goal actually is what was worse, you saying that the third goal mistake was somehow tied to the first one is kinda you connecting the dots after it happened and looking for a cause and effect, the 3rd happened because thats just what he does based on what others have reported on him.

But you really cant write this shit, if someone was asking u how the game went and u told him what happened he wouldn't believe you. Kinda Reminded me of the Netherlands Italy Euro 2000 match.