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The environment was bitter even before he got in italy. Only difference was other inter managers where prepared to take it and not fight back. It got better with mancio since he was prepared to fightback. Mou just took it to another level.

Maybe some of you don't like our manager fighting fire with fire. Personally I think its the right strategy.

The environment was bitter but it wasn't anywhere close to the situation it has been with Mourinho. I'm not blaming Mourinho too much, he has brought this team to the CL final and got the Scudetto again.

I'm just saying that Mourinho's methods in the football environment are to be questioned. In the end those doesn't matter because he got the results. But since the methods seem to ultimately lead to the situation where Mourinho leaves Inter, it's just sad. He would have been a wonderful coach for longer period but with his own actions he made it impossible for himself.
 

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The environment was bitter but it wasn't anywhere close to the situation it has been with Mourinho. I'm not blaming Mourinho too much, he has brought this team to the CL final and got the Scudetto again.

I'm just saying that Mourinho's methods in the football environment are to be questioned. In the end those doesn't matter because he got the results. But since the methods seem to ultimately lead to the situation where Mourinho leaves Inter, it's just sad. He would have been a wonderful coach for longer period but with his own actions he made it impossible for himself.


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another train of thought is pointed to the time period when mario was exiled from the team. now who would be blamed if we had fucked up so bad in those league and european matches.(many blame mario but no-one second guessed joses methods cause he got the requird results)

its the same conundrum as with the media, and his whole "i cant stand it here so im leaving". in the end of the day it was his own doing that put him in this predicament.
 

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another train of thought is pointed to the time period when mario was exiled from the team. now who would be blamed if we had fucked up so bad in those league and european matches.(many blame mario but no-one second guessed joses methods cause he got the requird results)

its the same conundrum as with the media, and his whole "i cant stand it here so im leaving". in the end of the day it was his own doing that put him in this predicament.

that's the key word there my friend.
 

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In particular, I will refer to both Ranieri and Mourinho. Given the current climate in Calcio (which is why I posted Susy’s recent article), and our midweek Coppa Italia victory against Roma, I believe it was unwise for Ranieri to comment about Mourinho and the way he creates a siege mentality to help Inter win.

As we beat Roma on their home ground, I would have let Ranieiri’s comment go through to the keeper but Mourinho replied by labelling Ranieri a loser and belittling the way he prepared his players for the Coppa Italia final. Some will argue that as Ranieri was the first to comment then Mourinho was entitled to respond. Others will say that Mourinho has always spoken his mind and he will not change his ways but his most recent comments and the way he belittled Ranieri, a fellow professional, were distasteful and unwarranted. It does not matter how Ranieri prepares his team and it is not for Mourinho to comment or pass judgment. If Mourinho wants to do this, he should allow himself a quiet smile behind closed doors with a nice glass of red and some fine Italian cheese and silently toast Ranieri as opposed to belittling a fellow professional in the media. The only other comment I would like to add about the recent war of words between Ranieri and Mourinho is that I think it is admirable that after Mourinho’s comments, Ranieri still had the class to say that Mourinho is a good coach but would not be drawn into making further comments. I think it takes a lot to be gracious when you have been trampled upon as opposed to being as ruthless and bloody minded as Mourinho.

Like the Italian media, many posters on here find Mourinho’s comments funny and entertaining. Every person is entitled to their own opinion but I take the view that as the defending Italian Champions, Coppa Italia winners and Italy’s only remaining representative in Europe, Inter are the standard bearer. As a result, I feel Inter as a club, the management, our coach and players are obliged to act respectfully and graciously. Mourinho may be a special and an astute tactician but the contempt he has for his fellow professionals and the environment in which he is employed leaves a great deal to be desired. And perhaps the greatest irony is that he claims that he is not much liked in Italy or he is not respected but yet he does absolutely nothing to improve the environment in which he works. If anything, by way of his actions and comments, he is just adding to the confrontational and tense environment that presently prevails in Serie A.

I do not dislike or hate Mourinho. I like the way he has changed Inter for the better and I enjoy the way our team plays football but I question some of his methods. It is my view, that Mourinho can achieve the same results with far less agitation and what bothers me most is that his actions and comments border on the reckless. It is all well and good to say that Mourinho is a special coach so he can say whatever he likes or he has always spoken his mind but there has to be a limit.

Many posters on here have said that no player or man is bigger than the club. What worries me is that Mourinho puts himself before the club. The handcuff gesture and the subsequent suspension led to us dropping points. At a time when things are very delicate between clubs (Roma v Inter Roma v Lazio) as well as the situation in the championship, Mourinho comes up with joke about Roma paying Siena on the last day of the season so that the Tuscans will put up a fight. Given the FIGC’s response to Mourinho after the handcuff gesture, do you think such a comment was wise and worth making? Is it possible that he might be suspended for the final day of the season when his players will most need him? It is all well and good to a laugh at all of the “wonderful” quotes he makes to the media but he is not bigger than the club and giving up an 11 point lead and possibly losing silverware as a result of reckless gestures or comments is simply unforgivable.

Hey Puma......question specifically for you, exactly in the context of the golden flowery words with which you have described Ranieri, in the above post.........just read this article

http://translate.google.com/transla...refox-a&hs=CiG&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

Here he attacks 1. Jose Mourinho - fine Jose mocked his style, he can bite back, although, it does bring into question the GRACE that you highlighted of not replying back!

2. He mocks Zanetti, since that statement he mentioned was by Zanetti...dont remember Zanetti saying something to him!

3. He ridicules Inter, and gives us a BACK HANDED COMPLIMENT! Sounds like he is accusing us of fixing the match, and maybe the Serie A title!

GRACE PERSONIFIED....ehhhhh!

What should Inter/Zanetti/Jose do! Reply back and show him the mirror of truth, atleast after the UCL final.....
 

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Hey Puma......question specifically for you, exactly in the context of the golden flowery words with which you have described Ranieri, in the above post.........just read this article

http://translate.google.com/transla...refox-a&hs=CiG&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

Here he attacks 1. Jose Mourinho - fine Jose mocked his style, he can bite back, although, it does bring into question the GRACE that you highlighted of not replying back!

2. He mocks Zanetti, since that statement he mentioned was by Zanetti...dont remember Zanetti saying something to him!

3. He ridicules Inter, and gives us a BACK HANDED COMPLIMENT! Sounds like he is accusing us of fixing the match, and maybe the Serie A title!

GRACE PERSONIFIED....ehhhhh!

What should Inter/Zanetti/Jose do! Reply back and show him the mirror of truth, atleast after the UCL final.....

It does not warrant a response. Inter won the Scudetto and Roma came second. Inter are in a Champions League final while Roma were knocked out of Europe without so much as a whimper.

In my view, Inter, Zanetti and Jose are not required nor are they compelled to provide a response. That is my whole point. Why is it that Inter as a club, Zanetti as Captain or Mourinho as coach are expected to provide a response? Why cant we leave it for the keeper and let our superior position in the table or final place in the Champions League speak for themselves?

Is it the case that greater importance is being placed on responding to verbal taunts as opposed to Inter's achievements on the field of play? The taunts to which you would like Inter, Zanetti and Mourinho to respond are the exact reason why Calcio has become so toxic and is the very reason why Mourinho wants to leave.

One of the best decisions from the club this season was to put a stop to press conferences. Whether that refusal came from Mourinho himself or the club remains to be seen but since the middle of February there was a press silence and we were untouchable. Why weigh into the debate when you can simply shrug it off and still achieve your objectives? As long as we keep responding and weighing into the "fight", it will continue to be a vicious circle with no end.
 
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It does not warrant a response. Inter won the Scudetto and Roma came second. Inter are in a Champions League final while Roma were knocked out of Europe without so much as a whimper.

In my view, Inter, Zanetti and Jose are not required nor are they compelled to provide a response. That is my whole point. Why is it that Inter as a club, Zanetti as Captain or Mourinho as coach are expected to provide a response? Why cant we leave it for the keeper and let our superior position in the table or final place in the Champions League speak for themselves?

Is it the case that greater importance is being placed on responding to verbal taunts as opposed to Inter's achievements on the field of play? The taunts to which you would like Inter, Zanetti and Mourinho to respond are the exact reason why Calcio has become so toxic and is the very reason why Mourinho wants to leave.

One of the best decisions from the club this season was to put a stop to press conferences. Whether that refusal came from Mourinho himself or the club remains to be seen but since the middle of February there was a press silence and we were untouchable. Why weigh into the debate when you can simply shrug it off and still achieve your objectives? As long as we keep responding and weighing into the "fight", it will continue to be a vicious circle with no end.

Accepted, though each one has their own approach! I for one, wont incite anyone, but if some one bites me, I will sure respond back! Especially, if my "main competitor" with following of millions, whose opinion is respected and shapes public perception, not some random street walking person, is going to attack us neglect all the hardwork done by us and accuse us of bribing/fixing our way to top of Serie A!

The point is as may happen , if Jose responds to this, is that no one seems to pull up Ranieri for this comment, including FIGC and Italian media! He is the person starting this! And if Jose even responds to this, everyone is gunning for his head!

1. What about the "grace" which you mentioned exhibited by Ranieri, when you compared him to Mourinho? Still does that stand?
2. If this escalates because of Mourinho's response, if at all he replies, who will be responsible for that stand off!
3. Also, if Jose does not respond to this, will you write a post and discuss how Jose was graceful in NOT replying to Ranieri's barbs?
 

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Accepted, though each one has their own approach! I for one, wont incite anyone, but if some one bites me, I will sure respond back! Especially, if my "main competitor" with following of millions, whose opinion is respected and shapes public perception, not some random street walking person, is going to attack us neglect all the hardwork done by us and accuse us of bribing/fixing our way to top of Serie A!

The point is as may happen , if Jose responds to this, is that no one seems to pull up Ranieri for this comment, including FIGC and Italian media! He is the person starting this! And if Jose even responds to this, everyone is gunning for his head!

1. What about the "grace" which you mentioned exhibited by Ranieri, when you compared him to Mourinho? Still does that stand?
2. If this escalates because of Mourinho's response, if at all he replies, who will be responsible for that stand off!
3. Also, if Jose does not respond to this, will you write a post and discuss how Jose was graceful in NOT replying to Ranieri's barbs?

Coolmavs, Ranieri and Roma are hurting and at the moment they are searching for answers. If we had lost the Scudetto, we may have have felt something similar or even worse given the fact that we had an eleven point lead at the halfway mark of the season.

If you combine Roma's hurt with Ranieiri always being Mourinho's Bridesmaid and the fact that Lazio played a part in Roma's demise, then you have a club and coach that are very bitter. I am not trying to make excuses for them but they are obviously overlooking their slow start to the season and simply blaming Lazio v Inter for their downfall. Also, they seem to have conveniently forgotten how Totti gave Lazio's fans the thumbsdown at the end of the Rome Derby and yet they expected Lazio to do them a favour when playing us. Not to mention the loss to Sampdoria that went a long way to deciding the outcome of the Scudetto.

Obviously, Ranieiri has been the aggressor in the last few days but I will not write about him again. Nor do I plan to write about Mourinho given the fact that he is now being linked to Real Madrid. For me, Mourinho has already left. I want him to finish his job and be gone, regardless of what the future holds for Inter and granted that whoever replaces him will struggle and so too will the team in his absence.
 
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Jose Mourinho: the cases for and against

You can expect to hear a lot about Jose Mourinho over the next few weeks. Playing in the Champions' League final and possibly moving to the world's biggest football club will do that. Plus, of course, there is nobody - and I mean nobody - in the game who has such a talent for putting his point across and turning the media into some kind of megaphone (for better or worse, sometimes it backfires).

There are many who think Mourinho is the greatest manager in the world, perhaps the greatest in history. There are some who think he's been largely the beneficiary of being in the right place at the right time and that he simply has sold himself better than most. Is the truth at either extreme? Or is it somewhere in between? You be the judge.

THE CASE FOR THE PROSECUTION

OK, first, let's dispense with the records. He won two league titles and a domestic cup at Porto. Great. Fact is, when you manage Porto, you have a pretty good chance of winning the title. Porto won 14 of the last 20 Portuguese championships. Kerry Katona could manage Porto and she would probably win the title. Jesualdo Ferreira, the most recent Porto boss to win the title and a man Mourinho once compared to a donkey, won three straight. So what? By the way, Porto were found guilty of attempting to bribe match officials during the 2003-04 season - when Mourinho won his second Portuguese title - and later docked six points.

Admittedly, he did win the Uefa Cup and the Champions League while at Porto. But look closer. He had a ridiculously easy run to the Uefa Cup, facing just two sides from Europe's top five leagues - Lens and Lazio - before cutting it very close against Martin O'Neill's Celtic in the final. He clearly got the rub of the green the following year in the Champions League too, especially against Manchester United (Tim Howard spilling the ball, Paul Scholes unfairly flagged offside). And he had the luxury of playing Monaco in the final.

You want to talk Chelsea? Well, no club in history spent as much money as they did between 2003, just before his arrival, and 2006. And it's not as if he took over a team of numpties. Under Claudio Ranieri - the man he loves to mock - Chelsea had finished second the year before while reaching the semi-finals of the Champions' League (which, incidentally, is as far as Mourinho has ever taken the club). Yes, he also won an FA Cup and a couple of League Cups. That's what having one of the most expensive teams ever assembled will do. How about the fact that in three years at Stamford Bridge he never once managed to get them to the semi-final of the Champions League? Heck, even David O'Leary managed to do that. And if Mourinho tells you - as he did last weekend - that the Premier League competition was far tougher back then, don't be fooled. Mikael Silvestre and Kieran Richardson were getting plenty of playing time for Manchester United in 2005-06. Liverpool finished level on points with Bolton in 2004-05. And Arsenal failed to make the quarter-finals of the Champions League in two of Mourinho's three full seasons at Chelsea.

What about Inter? Didn't he turn them into a dominant force, both in Italy and in Europe? Yeah, right. Inter had won three straight Serie A titles when he arrived, no change in serivce there. Except, perhaps, for the fact that in their final year BEFORE Mourinho they gained more points than they did in their first two seasons AFTER Mourinho. What's that you say? Mourinho was signed to bring European success? Ok, let's look at his record in the Champions League with Inter. Played 20, won nine, drew five, lost six. Among those were some of the most turgid perfromances in recent memory including a 3-3 draw with something called Anorthosis and home defeats to Manchester United and Panathinaikos. The most frustrating thing is not so much that he has simply played dull, defensive football, it's that he passes it off for something brilliant. His game plan in his latter years at Chelsea consisted of hoofing it long to Didier Drogba and defending in numbers. In his first season at Inter it was all about defending in numbers, giving the ball to Zlatan Ibrahimovic and waiting for him to do something. Only this year are we starting to see something rational. But it took lots of trial and error to get there. Because, you see, tactically he's really only in his comfort zone when he employs the usual defend-and-counter attritition strategy. Deviate from that and he's lost. He played four different formations at Inter and, except for the most recent ones, all of them produced horrid football. Sure, it was effective, but that was largely due to the appalling state of Italy's other so-called big clubs, above all Milan and Juventus. The fact that Roma, a side whose best player missed a quarter of the season and which has been run on a shoestring for the past three years came within 45 minutes of becoming champions tells you all you need to know.

Put him up against a manager with some tactical nous and players who can execute (even bad players) and he struggles, as evidenced by Inter's performances against Catania away (a 1-3 defeat), Siena at home (two goals in the final two minutes to salvage a win) and Bari away (two late goals, including a dubious penalty).

Sure, he'll tell you that referees are out to get him, that nobody in Italy likes him. His acolytes will point out that the owner of a rival club, Silvio Berlusconi, also happens to be prime minister and owns three TV networks. The latter is true, but if Berlusconi were using his considerable powers to help his club, AC Milan, he's doing a rotten job, given that they have won one league title in the past decade. What's more, there are about a dozen TV networks he does not own, nor does he own any of the three daily sports newspapers or the three biggest selling dailies in the land. And, in fact, despite his constant whingeing, Inter comfortably came out ahead this season in terms of refereeing mistakes.

He makes it seem as if he's some kind of transfer guru because Inter have six new signings in their starting XI. Fine. But Lucio was very much a club signing (Mourinho wanted Ricardo Carvalho, as it turns out, it's a good thing he did not get his way), Motta was an add-on in the Diego MIlito deal, Goran Pandev is a former Inter player whom the club had been trying to bring back for ages, Samuel Eto'o was a makeweight in the Ibrahimovic sale. What he doesn't tell you is that he also spent big on Mancini and Ricardo Quaresma, both of whom were absolute duds at Inter. Much like Mateja Kezman, Claudio Pizarro and Khalid Boulahrouz at Chelsea. But, of course, Mourinho's acolytes don't like to talk about those guys. Instead, they'll tell you that his evil interfering chairman, Roman Abramovich, "forced" him to take Andriy Shevchenko. Poor Mourinho. Rather than trying to make it work, he turned Shevchenko into a scapegoat.

Bottom line? He's a good manager, not a great one. He managed the biggest spending club in Portugal and won, the biggest spending club in England and won, the biggest spending club in Italy and won. But he has been to the Champions League semi-finals four times in his entire career. (And, when he left Chelsea, Avram Grant took them to within a penalty kick of winning it all). Nothing special about that.

THE CASE FOR THE DEFENCE

No, I'm not going to dismiss his records in Portugal. Sure, Porto may be a dominant team, but before Mourinho's arrival they had not won the league in four years, which is an eternity in those parts. Bottom
line is, he won it, the guys before him did not. Nor, for that matter, did the guy immediately after him. And no matter how much you talk about luck and favourable draws, winning consecutive European trophies with Porto is an outstanding achievement. If it were so easy, it would happen regularly. Or are you suggesting that Mourinho is the only lucky manager out there?

Ranieri did not win a title at Chelsea, despite having equal access to Abramovich's money. Mourinho did. And he did it after 50 years. You want to make cracks about his Champions League performances at Chelsea? In 2004-05 he knocked out Barcelona and Bayern and was only beaten by a "ghost goal". The following year he was screwed by the referees against Barcelona. And in 2006-07 he went out on penalties
to Liverpool. Sounds pretty consistent to me.

Fine, so he inherited a good squad at Chelsea. But the point is that he won stuff and others did not. Not until Carlo Ancelotti arrived and he benefitted from an apalling Liverpool side, an Arsenal side ravaged by injuries and a Manchester United side which sold Cristiano Ronaldo and Carlos Tevez and replaced them with Antonio Valencia and Michael Owen (says it all, doesn't it?). Shevchenko was imposed on him and
he still found a way to make it work. He changed his system to accommodate him and, no, he did not win the title in 2006-07, but he was still in the running as late as May and he did win two domestic cups.

Don't talk to me about Inter and the titles they won BEFORE he arrived. 2005-06 was handed to them by a tribunal. In 2006-07, Milan had a points penalty and Juventus were in Serie B. And in 2007-08, Juve had just returned to the top flight and Milan, as ever, were more preoccupied with the Champions League. Not quite the same thing as winning against a full complement of opposition, the way he did the last two years.

You don't like the way he plays? First off, it's not defensive, it's balanced. And, in fact, this year, it's balanced offensively. How many sides in Europe play three strikers (Eto'o, Milito and Pandev) plus a guy like Wesley Sneijder? Not many. Is it dull? Well, he's paid to win, not to entertain. And winning is certainly entertaining if you're a fan of whatever club he's managing. Were you not entertained by the masterclass at Stamford Bridge against Chelsea? How about when he demolished Barcelona? He does what needs to be done and, when he needs to do so, he raises his game. That's the mark of a great manager.

Unlike you, I would argue that his time at Inter actually showed intelligence and courage. It took intelligence not to throw the baby out with the bathwater but instead take what worked from his predecessor's side - namely, Ibrahimovic - and make it work for him. (By the way, how well is Ibra doing without Mourinho? Exactly my point). And it took courage to try something new and then admit your mistakes and change. Rather than critciizing him for his ill-fated winger experiment with Mancini and Quaresma, you ought to be lauding him for having the guts to try something different, recognizing it didn't work and then coming up with something new that did work. The last time an Inter manager reached the final of the Champions League was in 1972. That was before any of these Inter players were even born, even Javier Zanetti, who is seemingly a hundred years old. Inter used to be the biggest basket case in world football. Now they're taken seriously. That's what he has brought to this club. Belief.

Maybe he's not a tactical revolutionary, but the simple fact of the matter is that it's not just about giving instructions, it's about getting your players to execute. And when Mourinho speaks, people listen. Don't take my word. Talk to the guys he's managed. Except for Shevchenko and, maybe, Adrian Mutu, they all love him. Why? Because he's a leader of men, because he connects with people in ways others don't. Even the volatile teenage mind of Mario Balotelli, albeit after much struggling, eventually fell and gave in to Mourinho. Balotelli was a model citizen in Inter's last two matches, despite his earlier tantrums. Why? Because Mourinho eventually got through to him.

And it's not just the players, it's the fans. What, you don't think that Chelsea supporters, Double or no Double, wouldn't giftwrap Ancelotti and courier him back to Italy if it meant the return of Mourinho? It's the same story at Inter. The fans adore him. The man has had seven full seasons as a manager. In that time, he has won 16 trophies and, by next Saturday night, it could be 17. At 47, he could become the youngest manager ever to win his second Champions League. And, I might add, he has not lost a home league game since 2002.

He's also far and away the highest paid coach in all of sport. Would that happen if he wasn't Special? The markets don't lie, do they?

He's not a great manager. He's THE great manager of his time, maybe all-time. Those who call him arrogant don't realise that, to quote Kid Rock, "it ain't bragging if you say it then you back it up." He speaks truth to power and endures constant jealousy from lesser men, especially those who begrudge the fact that a guy like him, who never had the natural ability to play the game professionally, has established himself as one of the greatest ever.

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didnt some1 already post this in jose thread couple of days ago??
 

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Time for part IV Puma ;)

ps. You'll see next year, the situation won't change at all. I hope we will get this "peacefull" coach you would like, so that you will see, it's not about the coach, but about the fact that he is working at Inter.
 

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not all coaches have been treatd like that luka. anyway its a work hazard that comes with the job, so you should either as a manager toughen up, or get the fuck out. but like i said its not always been the case. the problem will definatelty get heightened though if instigation is admist all of this.
 

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not all coaches have been treatd like that luka.
Yes. Because:

a) we didn't win for a long time, and the press was mostly find us amusing, rather then a serious contenders, so the real war started when we started to win
b) the coaches before didn't tried to stand up for it, like Mourinho did

Simple.

Mancini tried it couple of times, but he doesn't look so much for confrontations, and he rather slipped it by than confront the media.
 

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Yes. Because:

a) we didn't win for a long time, and the press was mostly find us amusing, rather then a serious contenders, so the real war started when we started to win
b) the coaches before didn't tried to stand up for it, like Mourinho did

Simple.

Mancini tried it couple of times, but he doesn't look so much for confrontations, and he rather slipped it by than confront the media.


exactly.....which is why confrontaion is the key word here. being apart of the internazionale setup has very little to do with it(im not doubting its not there cause we all know it is).
mourinho loved his little verbal battles with the media, thus deriving the ill-feelings of the media.

Anybody saying that Italy hate us because of Mourinho, or that they hate him, only because of his comments, can take his head out of his ass.

see footnote b)
a little contradictory huh....
ah luka you make me laugh dude....
anyway forget it lets celebrate our victory!!
 
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exactly.....which is why confrontaion is the key word here.
With the coach who doesn't speak, the difference would be, that we would be constantly spit on, and nobody would speak out for us. Just as it was like it for a long time.

Then, after Calciopoli it got worse. Mancini did stand up for us, but it was very rare.

Are you a person who when spit on, you are keeping your head down, or you stand up for it ? I wanted Mourinho a lot, because I knew the media won't fuck with him, and he will tell them what he thinks about them, and that's what happened.

I rather want the media to hate us more, but at the same time, I want us to stand up for them. I don't like the alternative, when we just "take it".

When we'll get a coach who is "peacefull" you'll see what I mean.

ps. If Mourinho was coaching juBe or Milan, you can bet your life on it, that his situation with the media would be A LOT different than it is now.
 

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With the coach who doesn't speak, the difference would be, that we would be constantly spit on, and nobody would speak out for us. Just as it was like it for a long time.

Then, after Calciopoli it got worse. Mancini did stand up for us, but it was very rare.

Are you a person who when spit on, you are keeping your head down, or you stand up for it ? I wanted Mourinho a lot, because I knew the media won't fuck with him, and he will tell them what he thinks about them, and that's what happened.

I rather want the media to hate us more, but at the same time, I want us to stand up for them. I don't like the alternative, when we just "take it".

When we'll get a coach who is "peacefull" you'll see what I mean.

ps. If Mourinho was coaching juBe or Milan, you can bet your life on it, that his situation with the media would be A LOT different than it is now.

ive been following this team since 95 and have seen many a manager come and go. now no-one is saying not to speak. however there a certain ways of communicating with people. some ways better then others.

no-one wants to be the bitch and just take it up the ass, but there a people who are smart and can manipulate situations to their advantage without being confrontational. jose was not one of them. he was very direct in his opinions(which i loved) but often got him into trouble.

so end of the day its very simple. you want a coach to be robust and outlandish, then dont complain about the backlash. on the contrary if you think someone more "quite' is better suited then dont complain about the lack of support from him. see we do quite a bit of comp[laining as supporters. i think its time to stop all the whining and take things on the chin.

we have always been negated by the press, its been like this for ever, but who cares ? i prefer them to hate us cause the more we win the more its gonna piss them off.

and guess how pissed they are rite now that we a the fucking kings of europe....ha it just brings a smile to my face.:)
 

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so end of the day its very simple. you want a coach to be robust and outlandish, then dont complain about the backlash.
I think we got it all wrong.

Maybe we should focus on the ones who we are in most of the cases responding to, and not on the ones who respond.

Did we develope a victim syndrome ?

It's not us who created mafia system in Calcio, it's not us who had so much power that could tell the journalists in TV about which things to show, and which not to show.

If media was fair, and FIGC was fair, and Jose was talking out of his ass, I would understand the media position. But it's not the case.

For example, how much shit did Jose say today versus Bayern ? Almost none, and the ones he said, was in response to what Van Gaal said prior. Look at the coaches Jose did respect, because they respected him like Sacchi, or Prandelli. So which is it, Mourinho is arrogant to all, or maybe he is arrogant to some ? If he is arrogant to some, maybe he isn't arrogant at all ?

If someone treats you like shit for years, you respond. You don't go to him and say: "Hey, I know you mean good, but could you please cut it out ?"

It can go two ways. Either we get a quiet coach, and the media will swing at us, like they usually do, and we won't respond, or we will get a fierce coach like Jose (or Zenga for example) who will stand up to the shit, and media will turn agaist us even more.

Some people think, that we can have a peacefull life, if we will ditch a personality like Mourinho, and get a monk instead. This will never happen, and that is my only issue with this. This will never happen, at least not in this lifetime.
 
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life is full of ups and downs and is very rarely fair. my sentiments are that we shouldnt use the way we get treated as an easy way out, its been done to often.

the best thing we can do is to keep on getting results. yes, it will probably make things worse for us but hey, as long as were winning im sure no one really cares.

in the end of the day sometimes you have to pay the price for your success and i guess joses personal goals were of more imnportance to him.
 

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life is full of ups and downs and is very rarely fair. my sentiments are that we shouldnt use the way we get treated as an easy way out, its been done to often.
Too often ?

To me it wasn't done too often enough. That's where I stand.

This should be pointed out at every opportuinity when we see it happening. It is unjust, and in no way we don't have the right to point it out, or we shouldn't.

You think milan fans or juBe fans give a shit about you, acting like a prince and not bring those things up, after a defeat ?

But I'll tell you what sickens me more. What sickens me more is this attitude, that I can only describe as the "what have a I done?" syndrome.

First the italian press is like forever on Inter, and it just got into a real war since 2006, but when Jose started to point out obvious things, they got into this mode: "What is he talking about?" ? This is seriously a shit I can't stand. This is a similar to criminal who knows he did it, and knows his accuser knows he did it, but the accuser can't prove it.

And now it will get even better. Check this: You just sit tight and watch, how those exactly same people, who Mourinho attacked day and night, will take Mourinho and his history in Calcio as something that they have rightfull right. They will probably bring it 5, 10 years from now, how they had this great coach, they will then respect him, and probably won't mention at all how Mourinho dispised them.

It just sickens me when I think about it.

I just can't wait until Jose starts to smack them in the worldwide media. I just can't wait. I'm sure he will start badmouthing italian football, or italian media, and because Mourinho is bigger than italian media and FIGC combined, his words will have more meaning than what the press will write. The worldwide media will take it as granted. Just can't wait, for Jose to start talking about italian media, those fuckers, and how they are, and show it to the world.

Inter agains all, and all against Inter. This is how Jose said, and this is exactly how we should remember it.

Always.

ps. The italian media can shove their praise in their ass.
 
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