The Italian player debate

[Handoyo]

But it has to do with the best interest of its fans

If your best interest as a fan is not to win with Inter, which requires the best players in the world rather than just Italians, then you're not a true Interisti.

Okay the majority of the fans live outside Italy and Europe, but this means nothing "unfortunately" (in ""s for those concerned ) The main fansbase is the fans that go to the stadium regularly, and they want to see their compatriots play for their teams. That doesn't mean people in here or anywhere want a clear out of our foreigners, but a preferance in signing Italians surely exists.

I'm not arguing that the preference doesn't exist, I'm arguing that such preference shouldn't exist in the first place because it's bullshit.

And as you say, an average Italian is better(for the fans) than an average foreigner.

Meh. An average Italian is as good as an average foreigner. We'd just have to evaluate the financial and if getting them means beating a rival to his signature, these kind of other factors.

Average Italian = Average foreigner
Good Italian = Good foreigner
Good Italian > Average foreigner
Average Italian < Good foreigner


Handyo

 

[brehme1989]

Yes it doesn't make much sense for such preference in the first place, but this is why I said that you had to be European to understand it

 

[Stefan]

But it has to do with the best interest of its fans

Okay the majority of the fans live outside Italy and Europe, but this means nothing "unfortunately" (in ""s for those concerned ) The main fansbase is the fans that go to the stadium regularly, and they want to see their compatriots play for their teams. That doesn't mean people in here or anywhere want a clear out of our foreigners, but a preferance in signing Italians surely exists.

And as you say, an average Italian is better(for the fans) than an average foreigner.

Sorry but that about us who can't go to the stadium not materring is BS. If we didn't matter Inter would only have an italian website, san siro tour would only be in italian and the stewards at the game would only be italian speaking( they have 2 one has a yellow shirt marked steward on the back and another with the italian word written on it).

And if we don't matter why are Inter trying to get established in China??

WTF you mean the fans?? We are just as much Inter fans as any european based Inter fan.

I can't understand why some fans want more italians in the team but to call them better fans than us is total arrogance.

Inter is an international brand they care about the whole fanbase not just those who can attend the matches. Inter has a fansbase of millions, we only have a stadium which can fill 85000 the rest of the fanbase matters. And for the record I am pretty sure if we had an audit of all fans the chinese would outnumber the italians.

 

[brehme1989]

I never said they mattered more. I just said, because they are closer etc they have the "right" to have a say about the team. It's them that the players meet every day/week, not us.

And of course the Chinese Interisti outnumber the Italian Interesti. Heck they outnumber the whole Italian nation

 

[Handoyo]

Stefan, as much as I always disagree with Yuko's point of view, I have to defend him here because all he said was that Inter is likely to pay attention to the fans who attend the match at Giuseppe Meazza, who are mostly Europeans. He did not say that they are better fans than us.

 

[Stefan]

I never said they mattered more. I just said, because they are closer etc they have the "right" to have a say about the team. It's them that the players meet every day/week, not us.

And of course the Chinese Interisti outnumber the Italian Interesti. Heck they outnumber the whole Italian nation

The other fans have as much a say as anyone who attends the match week in and week out. We international fans share the same passion for Inter as an italian interisti.

Well Handoyo then I might have misinterpreted what he said but from reading it I got the opinion that he meant the italian based fans are better than us not based close enough to attend the games.

 

[brehme1989]

Well, I haven't taken sides in this, but I simply stated how the two sides(mostly Italian side since you know better than me how you feel on the subject)

But just to give you an understanding of how Italian Interisti feel:

Do you think they like some Chinese/Japanese/South African/Canadian/Brazilian/German/English or whatever bunch of people wanting to have affairs in their LOCAL team? I know that I wouldn't like it if any foreigner would want to have an equal say as me about Panathinaikos, a Greek club, and i know from first hand that the PAO fans(a minority but still...) don't like us Cypriots being so much "invovled"

Italians though like to see the Inter team going to Korea, Japan, China or wherever outside Italy or Europe and see tens of thousands people there cheering for the team.

And also, they care about foreigners when it comes to who's got most fans.

This is the reality about the majority of the fans of all the European teams. It kinda sucks if you know this, but unfortunately is true. Marketing and communications though have made it better for the foreigners in the recent years. This forum as an example

 

[Stefan]

Well, I haven't taken sides in this, but I simply stated how the two sides(mostly Italian side since you know better than me how you feel on the subject)

But just to give you an understanding of how Italian Interisti feel:

Do you think they like some Chinese/Japanese/South African/Canadian/Brazilian/German/English or whatever bunch of people wanting to have affairs in their LOCAL team? I know that I wouldn't like it if any foreigner would want to have an equal say as me about Panathinaikos, a Greek club, and i know from first hand that the PAO fans(a minority but still...) don't like us Cypriots being so much "invovled"

Italians though like to see the Inter team going to Korea, Japan, China or wherever outside Italy or Europe and see tens of thousands people there cheering for the team.

And also, they care about foreigners when it comes to who's got most fans.

This is the reality about the majority of the fans of all the European teams. It kinda sucks if you know this, but unfortunately is true. Marketing and communications though have made it better for the foreigners in the recent years. This forum as an example

I know how some of them feel about it. But I don't see how they have more say than anybody else about the team. It isn't like they are shareholders in Inter. They have as much a right to their opinion as any of us International fans.

 

[Choppin Onions]

This debate could go on forever tbh. Part of me wants to see more Italians in the squad but the other part also likes to see the team do well. And honestly, there's very few Italians that could walk into our first squad right now.

 

[cozzi]

I dont care what country they come from but i would love to see more boys from the primavera getting a shot if they are up to it. Players like Atilla, Maaroufi, Slavkovski arn't Italian but are players we have helped developed and trained so i am extra proud when they get playing time.

 

[Handoyo]

Will you be looking to bring in a few more Italians?
"I think we have to look at players in terms of their ability. If we then have the chance of bringing in an extra Italian because he's good, it's right to. However, it's not easy to get good Italians because those who have them don't easily let them go. But if there was the chance to... Anyway, I saw that Arsenal have a lot of foreigners, and PSV Eindhoven had just two Dutch players on the pitch in the Champions League the other evening. There are a lot of good players abroad who cost less than the Italians. Sometimes you have to try to spend less."


Handyo

 

[Fabio]

Yeah, and look what's happened to Arsenal!

 

[Kato]

gotta say i dont agree with stefan on non attending fans give just as much etc.. without those who turn up every week we would have no inter, they provide our revenue. They don't have to spend hundreds of euros per year following inter around the country/europe, but they do..

those people deserve something back!!

 

[minterke]

For me it's the more money a team has the more foreigners they will have. Man Utd, Liverpool, Real Merda, Barca, Juventus, Arsenal, Chelsea etc. have more foreigners then home grown players. It's sad because you then look at a league and foreign players are dominating a league where Italians should be dominating (same thing for English, Spanish etc)...

 

[cloudq]

For me it's the more money a team has the more foreigners they will have. Man Utd, Liverpool, Real Merda, Barca, Juventus, Arsenal, Chelsea etc. have more foreigners then home grown players. It's sad because you then look at a league and foreign players are dominating a league where Italians should be dominating (same thing for English, Spanish etc)...

when you go and look at the Italy NT, how many top players have had either bad experiences or a rival mentality when it came to inter?

other than materazzi, grosso (who played for palermo and didnt care which top club he played for)

theres barzagli, toni and maybe quagliarella

and lo and behold, outrageously inflated prices

can anyone honestly say, they can get a better deal buying italian than foreign talent?

 

[Stefan]

gotta say i dont agree with stefan on non attending fans give just as much etc.. without those who turn up every week we would have no inter, they provide our revenue. They don't have to spend hundreds of euros per year following inter around the country/europe, but they do..

those people deserve something back!!

And there are people abroad who spend lots of money each month buying merchandise of the interstore site.

And no they don't provide the mayority of our revenue. The mayority of the revenue comes from tv rights and allot of that has to do with the foreign audience. Spectators at the grounds do contribute but not close to the amount that tv rights do.

And I am not saying people going to the stadium don't have a say I am saying they have an equal say compared to us who can't attend each week.

 

[Zamat]

Stefan, but you, like lots of foreign fans -who don't go to the stadium- don't care whether it's foreign or Italian players. The people who go to the stadio do, so why the hell would it bother you if the management of an ITALIAN club, founded by ITALIANS in ITALY, managed by ITALIANS, whose main shareholders are ITALIAN, whose president is ITALIAN would opt to bring in more ITALIAN talent, hm?

 

[shahz_nerazzurri]

I think a club is defined by its roots. If Inter wins CL or something, its Italian media thats gonna be proud, if an Inter player wins a Ballon D'or, its Italians that are gonna be proud. We are an ITALIAN club, we should have a few Italians in our team. That is what defines us as an Italian club.
Plus getting more Italians, would also be good for the Italian NT. It would be like we are working for the betterment of football in Italy. I am sick and tired of Jube or Bilan fans saying how 80% of Italian NT is made up of their sides.
People make fun of Arsenal all the time for not having English players in their team. And why should we take Arsenal as an example for anything?

Plus Italians will have more passion playing for us. I know this is not true sometimes (in our case its never true, Cannavaro, Vieri), but most of the time it is. Some foreign players would wanna come in, join the team, just for money, have little respect for the club or the league (figo lol).

I am not calling for excessive Italians. Just 2 or 3 maybe in the starting X1. But then for that we need to buy or develop high caliber Italian players, those players that will justify their inclusion in the starting X1, and not players like Grosso.
You can hardly blame Uefa or FIGC to push for more locals in a club team. You have to agree with their logic on this issue.

 

[brehme1989]

It would be like we are working for the betterment of football in Italy.

:dielaugh: :dielaugh:

I couldn't hold

 

[snake]

what the fukc are you laughing at you idiot.

I know its shaz and normally id let you diss the hell out of him and although I read about one line and it already set the tone for his junk post but im still going to say something cause your just as much as an idiot. What are you laughing at?

Thats a perfectly fine word.