The Italian player debate

[Stefan]

Han who wants to drop Maxwell for Grosso?

Even Matrix said it, now we've won the league we should slowly start building a team with more Italians in it, lets face it; Zanetti, Cordoba, Samuel, Recoba, Figo and several more and going to be here for many years to come so...why not.

Why must we replace them with italians?? Why can't we replace them with some of our youth teamers who aren't all italians??

Matrix is a self confessed nationalist hence why he would say to have more italians in the side.

I have now problem if the italian is the best we can find but we must find the best for Inter. Not just because he is italian.

 

[Cro Nerazzurro]

Let's not sell some good, or even great, players just to get in some italians.
When we decide to buy someone, we should check is there good italian available, if not, then I don't want us to buy some average italian just cause of passport.

Italians are great footballers, and there are some very good outside big clubs and we should definetlly keep close on them.

Rosina, Cassano, Bianchi, Quagliarella, Zaccardo(what happened to him?),..etc.etc.

 

[Handoyo]

Why must we replace them with italians?? Why can't we replace them with some of our youth teamers who aren't all italians??

Exactly.

If there's an Italian better than an average foreigner, pick the Italian. But if there's a foreigner better than an average Itailan, obviously we should pick the former. Guys like me or Stefan are not pro-foreigners. We just want the best for Inter.

Really, this Italian debate thingee is just something I am totally 'lost' about because I can't understand a single rationale the pro-Italians are proposing. It makes no sense that we should have more Italian just because we are in Italy.

Is there such a rule telling us to do so? (I know there may be one but it's still speculation now) Is it unethical to play foreigners in Italy? :| Why, what is the reason behind the argument that Italian clubs should have a preference for Italians over foreigners?

The argument reminds me of the lazy ass Americans here who keep blaming hard-working foreigners who got their job while in reality, the foreigners deserve it because they worked their ass off and perform better.

I just don't get it.


Handyo

 

[Fabio]

OK then, I could make so many nice jokes about your nationalities and shit but I won't...

W ITALIA is all I will say...

 

[Handoyo]

OK then, I could make so many nice jokes about your nationalities and shit but I won't...

W ITALIA is all I will say...

What does that have to do with the argument? Are you admitting that you are simply just biased to Italy when it comes to choosing players?

For the record, make as many jokes about my nationalities and shit. I do them myself too.


Handyo

 

[Opeum]

calm down han.

 

[Kato]

Exactly.

If there's an Italian better than an average foreigner, pick the Italian. But if there's a foreigner better than an average Itailan, obviously we should pick the former. Guys like me or Stefan are not pro-foreigners. We just want the best for Inter.

Really, this Italian debate thingee is just something I am totally 'lost' about because I can't understand a single rationale the pro-Italians are proposing. It makes no sense that we should have more Italian just because we are in Italy.

Is there such a rule telling us to do so? (I know there may be one but it's still speculation now) Is it unethical to play foreigners in Italy? :| Why, what is the reason behind the argument that Italian clubs should have a preference for Italians over foreigners?

The argument reminds me of the lazy ass Americans here who keep blaming hard-working foreigners who got their job while in reality, the foreigners deserve it because they worked their ass off and perform better.

I just don't get it.


Handyo

for me.. it's just nice to see some homegrown doing well..

especially when watching Italia - seeing the squad list and players having (Internazionale) after their names instead of the usual (juventus) etc.. That makes me proud to be an interista. Although when its world cup time clubs are forgotten, it makes it that much better to see your own players making the country proud.

Matrix made the last world cup 1000x better for me just knowing he was interista.

But i'd only like quality Italians such as totti, de rossi and promising youngsters.. not just any olds just to get the name there.

 

[Stefan]

Exactly.

If there's an Italian better than an average foreigner, pick the Italian. But if there's a foreigner better than an average Itailan, obviously we should pick the former. Guys like me or Stefan are not pro-foreigners. We just want the best for Inter.

Really, this Italian debate thingee is just something I am totally 'lost' about because I can't understand a single rationale the pro-Italians are proposing. It makes no sense that we should have more Italian just because we are in Italy.

Is there such a rule telling us to do so? (I know there may be one but it's still speculation now) Is it unethical to play foreigners in Italy? :| Why, what is the reason behind the argument that Italian clubs should have a preference for Italians over foreigners?

The argument reminds me of the lazy ass Americans here who keep blaming hard-working foreigners who got their job while in reality, the foreigners deserve it because they worked their ass off and perform better.

I just don't get it.


Handyo

There's a uefa home grown rule but not just italians. Just the players need to come from our academy or for federation players another academy in italy.

 

[Stefan]

OK then, I could make so many nice jokes about your nationalities and shit but I won't...

W ITALIA is all I will say...

You can make jokes about south Africans if you want. I don't give a crap the nation I am an individual not a nationalist.

Forza Stefan

 

[Stefan]

for me.. it's just nice to see some homegrown doing well..

especially when watching Italia - seeing the squad list and players having (Internazionale) after their names instead of the usual (juventus) etc.. That makes me proud to be an interista. Although when its world cup time clubs are forgotten, it makes it that much better to see your own players making the country proud.

Matrix made the last world cup 1000x better for me just knowing he was interista.

But i'd only like quality Italians such as totti, de rossi and promising youngsters.. not just any olds just to get the name there.

And a kid who comes through our academy is home grown as well he doesn't have to be italian to be homegrown.

And at the world cup the club isn't forgotten for me.

 

[brehme1989]

Homegrown meaning home=nation not home=club

A kid may move at the age of 14 or 15 to Milano and become a player of Inter. That doesn't make him home grown in the eyes of most people. Under FIFA/UEFA ruling they are.

And since you are not European, you can't realise why people prefer domestic players. (You can't argue that football's center is Europe).

 

[Fabio]

I am biased, I'm not gonna argue with that...

 

[Zamat]

This is based on cultures, so I'm not surprised non-Europeans don't understand it.

Europe is colorful because of the different cultures of many nations, and because of this many people would like to see domestic players in their clubs, to avoid each country's football becoming almost exactly the same.

 

[Stefan]

Homegrown meaning home=nation not home=club

A kid may move at the age of 14 or 15 to Milano and become a player of Inter. That doesn't make him home grown in the eyes of most people. Under FIFA/UEFA ruling they are.

And since you are not European, you can't realise why people prefer domestic players. (You can't argue that football's center is Europe).

Just because I aren't currently a european( my ancestors ****ed up not my fault) doesn't mean I can't understand the other side standpoint. I know some people want italians in the side cause they want to feel a connection to the team and think they feel more of a connection with italians in the side.

And on what classifies as a home grown we differ in opinion. I believe in home grown for the club and am pro club while for someone who is pro nation they aren't homegrown.

This is a clash of philosophies and won't change.

 

[Handoyo]

Culture, nationalities and such...These just means that your point in the argument is not 100% rationale and contains some bias in it.

And it's unfair to say that just because I'm not European, I don't understand culture. Do you think culture don't exist in Asia too? As a matter of fact, the bias is on the Italians and you are Hungarian so you are in the same chair as I am. The argument is not about European players but Italian players.

 

[Zamat]

I didn't say culture doesn't exist in Asia...

I only said a non-European would not understand what's Europe all about, a relatively small continent which is very colorful with lots of old nations, cultures. Since globalism is threatening this colorfulness, people try to preserve national traditions, and football teams is just an aspect of this. Sure, they accept foreigners, but will ALWAYS prefer their domestic players.

And no, I'm not in the same chair as you. This isn't only about Italians (well, of course when we speak about Inter it is), but this is an issue everywhere in Europe.

To give you a counter-example:
In the US this wouldn't mean anything, having US players in a US team, since in reality there's no such nation as American, they're so mixed from different immigrants and former colonists that it's normal to have people in the teams from all kinds of nations or ethnic groups since to a certain level they're all considered "Americans".

 

[Fabio]

Zamat :star: youl like an older brother...

 

[M.Adnan]

All I wanna say here is in this:

You're a good player? then join Inter.
What's your nationality? I don't care.

I still prefer youngsters that come from our club, but I don't care if they're Italians or not, as long as they're good and came from our youth system.

Example: Oba Martins.

It's not like Inter didn't try to buy Italians. We all know that Inter did their best to sign Luca Toni but Fiorentina made it too difficult.

Besides, I don't see any Italians (and his club may sell him) that are good enough for Inter, or players that we need. Maybe Cassano, but his attitude is still a big risk and Inter can't buy him just like that.

 

[Handoyo]

OK Zamat, let's say that I don't get the cultural thing because I'm not European. But it still means that you're biased towards Italians because of cultural reason, which have nothing to do with the best interest of Inter.

 

[brehme1989]

But it has to do with the best interest of its fans

Okay the majority of the fans live outside Italy and Europe, but this means nothing "unfortunately" (in ""s for those concerned ) The main fansbase is the fans that go to the stadium regularly, and they want to see their compatriots play for their teams. That doesn't mean people in here or anywhere want a clear out of our foreigners, but a preferance in signing Italians surely exists.

And as you say, an average Italian is better(for the fans) than an average foreigner.