Stefano Sensi

[thatdude]

Leicester should need a midfielder. I was watching the Liverpool Vs Chelsea game today and to my surprise I saw Casadei come on for Chelsea. I guess he was recalled from his loan spell.

 

[varmin]

Lukaku, Politano, and Gosens are some recent examples of successful sales.

Hakimi and Onana as well.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Does first of February still count for winter mercato?

Today is the deadline day yes.

 

[PHM1605]

Hakimi and Onana as well.

Hakimi was a great purchase but a shit sale. We should have squeezed at least 30m more from that filthy club.
He was 23yo difference maker from a Scudetto winning team.

 

[CafeCordoba]

We sold Hakimi for 60m + bonuses, that's not a shit sale lol.

 

[PHM1605]

We sold Hakimi for 60m + bonuses, that's not a shit sale lol.

Why's the laugh? We paid 45m and owned him only a year. 15m profit is shit, he had 4 more years contract.

 

[varmin]

Why's the laugh? We paid 45m and owned him only a year. 15m profit is shit, he had 4 more years contract.

We got him for 40+5 and sold him for 60+5. The difference is 20 mln and we had a good FFP profit as well. The fact that we cannot replace him with same quality, doesn't mean that the sale is not good.

 

[PHM1605]

We got him for 40+5 and sold him for 60+5. The difference is 20 mln and we had a good FFP profit as well. The fact that we cannot replace him with same quality, doesn't mean that the sale is not good.

If you say "we can't keep him" or "need money" I do agree. But this...
Okay so let's sell Thuram for 20m and call it a success. We make profit eventually, right?

 

[CafeCordoba]

Yes, we had to sell in that summer. Hakimi was willing to go as he got a good salary offer so we sold him. It's not like he lit the world on fire in that season apart from Serie A, we went out of CL in December. To this date I think he's still the most expensive fullback or at least the most expensive right fullback in the history of football with the price of 60m + 8m easily achievable bonuses so we can think they are activated by now (+3m hard to achieve).

 

[varmin]

If you say "we can't keep him" or "need money" I do agree. But this...
Okay so let's sell Thuram for 20m and call it a success. We make profit eventually, right?

Sorry, but most of you tend to overvalue our players. Remember how many people here thought that Icardi is 100mln player at least and that we shall stick to 70-80 mln for Skriniar with one year left of his contract.
You miss the fact that we were forced to sell and PSG were fully aware of it. Based on that 65mln is good deal for Hakimi.

 

[PHM1605]

Yes, we had to sell in that summer. Hakimi was willing to go as he got a good salary offer so we sold him. It's not like he lit the world on fire in that season apart from Serie A, we went out of CL in December. To this date I think he's still the most expensive fullback or at least the most expensive right fullback in the history of football with the price of 60m + 8m easily achievable bonuses so we can think they are activated by now (+3m hard to achieve).

The gap in quality between him and Dumfries was enough to win Scudetto the season after. We lost Scudetto to Milan for 2 points. Worth 20m extra in that case?

Most expensive fullback means nothing bro. He was not free. The fact was that most of the money received was flowing into Real account right after, not ours to use.

 

[CafeCordoba]

The gap in quality between him and Dumfries was enough to win Scudetto the season after. We lost Scudetto to Milan for 2 points. Worth 20m extra in that case?

Most expensive fullback means nothing bro. He was not free. The fact was that most of the money received was flowing into Real account right after, not ours to use.

You are mixing up two different things. What was proper and fair value of Hakimi in that summer in our situation and what we would have needed or what happened after that sale.

The fact is that was a good sale in terms of how much we get from him in our situation (when we had to sell, that's not a good position for a seller). We might have been able to get more IF we didn't have to sell. But if we didn't have to sell, we most probably wouldn't have sold at all since Hakimi didn't insist on leaving. It was more about "who's okay leaving if we sell you" and Hakimi didn't resist as he got a good offer from PSG.

 

[PHM1605]

You are mixing up two different things. What was proper and fair value of Hakimi in that summer in our situation and what we would have needed or what happened after that sale.

The fact is that was a good sale in terms of how much we get from him in our situation (when we had to sell, that's not a good position for a seller). We might have been able to get more IF we didn't have to sell. But if we didn't have to sell, we most probably wouldn't have sold at all since Hakimi didn't insist on leaving. It was more about "who's okay leaving if we sell you" and Hakimi didn't resist as he got a good offer from PSG.

The point is had we played hardball we would have squeezed a lot more. You forget whom the buyer is. Had that been Real or Bayern I wouldn't blame so much. We were just at the beginning of the Mercato and there were some months to chill. But no, catched whatever water was on the table.

Don't tell me PSG didn't pay if we waited for 1-2 months more. The fact was that PSG spend for fun. While there was, and still, no better RWB better than him for them to choose.

And it was also the fact was that had we waited a month later he would have stayed here. And we don't have to surf around the market for years to catch all the trash like Buchanan or Cuadrado. We are losing more money and still, never ever reach a nearly as good player.

 

[CafeCordoba]

It's quite easy to talk like this "just wait for 1-2 more months and you could squeeze 10m more". You haven't thought maybe there was a deadline to get the money? Or maybe you need to consider if you wait for 1-2 more months, you might lose the whole deal when the buyer ends up getting someone else (buyer might not want to wait for that long and go after a cheaper option). THEN you have to sell someone else, for a lower price since then it's a real panic (end of mercato looming).

 

[varmin]

We played hardball with Skriniar and we saw what happened at the end.

 

[PHM1605]

It's quite easy to talk like this "just wait for 1-2 more months and you could squeeze 10m more". You haven't thought maybe there was a deadline to get the money? Or maybe you need to consider if you wait for 1-2 more months, you might lose the whole deal when the buyer ends up getting someone else (buyer might not want to wait for that long and go after a cheaper option). THEN you have to sell someone else, for a lower price since then it's a real panic (end of mercato looming).

First, should not scream to the world, even before season ended, that we were desperate for money. Second, no panic, grew big balls. That's how to get excellent deal, not this. Hope we check Atalanta in Holjlund deal and learn a thing or two.

^please don't compare to Skriniar. There's zero similarity between two cases. Maybe similar to Onana, but you see the difference in timing & actual profit.

 

[CafeCordoba]

First, should not scream to the world, even before season ended, that we were desperate for money. Second, no panic, grew big balls. That's how to get excellent deal, not this. Hope we check Atalanta in Holjlund deal and learn a thing or two.

^please don't compare to Skriniar. There's zero similarity between two cases. Maybe similar to Onana, but you see the difference in timing & actual profit.

No one at Inter screamed to the world that we need to sell.

Don't compare to Atalanta who doesn't need to sell. They can wait for as long as they want.

 

[varmin]

^please don't compare to Skriniar. There's zero similarity between two cases. Maybe similar to Onana, but you see the difference in timing & actual profit.

It has a similarity because of your opinion. According to you, we should have asked for more with only one buyer, who was pretty well aware than we have to sell. There was huge risk that PSG just could have switched to other target, or to wait till the end of the market and reduce the asking price more.
Something similar happened with Skriniar. They were ready to pay 50mln and they were the only serious suitor. But Zhang blocked the deal because he wanted more and he was sure that Skriniar will renew.

 

[PHM1605]

It has a similarity because of your opinion. According to you, we should have asked for more with only one buyer, who was pretty well aware than we have to sell. There was huge risk that PSG just could have switched to other target, or to wait till the end of the market and reduce the asking price more.
Something similar happened with Skriniar. They were ready to pay 50mln and they were the only serious suitor. But Zhang blocked the deal because he wanted more and he was sure that Skriniar will renew.

No, I never resisted the sale of Skriniar, and I don't like Icardi. Why tf do you keep pushing me to those two?
Hakimi had 4 more years contract. Skriniar was about to expire.
Zhang didn't block the deal coz he wanted more. He was too naïve to trust lies ("I wanna be Inter Hamsik") and wanted to keep him.
Lovely how both of you ignore my suggestion of selling Thuram for 20m as you also see that deal is bullshit. Despite the same profit & contract duration.

 

[CafeCordoba]

No, I never resisted the sale of Skriniar, and I don't like Icardi. Why tf do you keep pushing me to those two?
Hakimi had 4 more years contract. Skriniar was about to expire.
Zhang didn't block the deal coz he wanted more. He was too naïve to trust lies ("I wanna be Inter Hamsik") and wanted to keep him.
Lovely how both of you ignore my suggestion of selling Thuram for 20m as you also see that deal is bullshit. Despite the same profit & contract period.

You make up Thuram 20m deal out of nowhere, trying to be wiseass with that suggestion than you wonder why people ignore it. Thuram's market value will be a lot higher in the summer. If he wants to leave, the price will be over 50m.

While with Hakimi, he got an offer from PSG, was willing to move as we HAD TO sell. We found a good price for him which was record price for a wingback at the time and it's still a record price. I don't get how can you insist we should have got even more. The buyers do not care how much plusvalenza we make in these deals. They offer what they think is fair. Let it be Real, City, Bayern, PSG or whatever. They don't overpay just because they are rich.

We weren't in a position to try to squeeze the maximum possible price, waiting for extra 1-2 months. We simply weren't able to do that at the time.