Sepp Blatter and the six+five rule

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This rule will only serves to strengthen the NTs quality at the expense of weakening the football clubs.

No, it won't strengthen ALL the NTs.

This rule will kill the "smaller" countries' NT. They have some good players playing abroad in better teams and they use it in the NT.

e.g. From our NT everybody plays in abroad (but not in top-clubs, only in european mediocre teams e.g. Dortmund, Hertha, Zenit, Fulham, PSV, Sunderland etc. ) Our domestic league is a complete shit, that's why no player get in to NT.

When this rule will be applied our good players (Huszti, Hajnal, Gera etc.) should leave these clubs, because they will buy better foreigners (perhaps from the top clubs where there are a lot of foreigner no need after that rule...)

So our NT-players will have 2 choice:

a, go to a poorer team

b, go home to a disaster championship

Both will mean the same: our NT (and all the smaller countries) will be worse than before.


The big winners of this rule? Brazilian, Argentin, French, Holland, Portugal teams and "big european countries" NT.


Someone says 6+5 rule can be solved in the EU too in terms of law.
It doesn't hurt the "free employee" rules.
 
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No, it won't strengthen ALL the NTs.

This rule will kill the "smaller" countries' NT. They have some good players playing abroad in better teams and they use it in the NT.

e.g. From our NT everybody plays in abroad (but not in top-clubs, only in european mediocre teams e.g. Dortmund, Hertha, Zenit, Fulham, PSV, Sunderland etc. ) Our domestic league is a complete shit, that's why no player get in to NT.

When this rule will be applied our good players (Huszti, Hajnal, Gera etc.) should leave these clubs, because they will buy better foreigners (perhaps from the top clubs where there are a lot of foreigner no need after that rule...)

So our NT-players will have 2 choice:

a, go to a poorer team

b, go home to a disaster championship

Both will mean the same: our NT (and all the smaller countries) will be worse than before.


The big winners of this rule? Brazilian, Argentin, French, Holland, Portugal teams and "big european countries" NT.


Someone says 6+5 rule can be solved in the EU too in terms of law.
It doesn't hurt the "free employee" rules.

You're completely right. The situation is the same with Slovenian players and our NT. We have only one player in NT from our league and he is also going to leave soon. Others play in Koln, Vitesse, WBA, Norway,...

Probably all of the top clubs, and also smaller ones will buy Brazilians and Argies as their ''+5'' players, meaning players from smaller (in football sense) countries won't have a place in these clubs anymore.
 

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Yes, from Prem League they can go to Championship, from Serie A to B and so on.

Our no-need foreigners ( Rivas, Jimenez, Obinna etc.) will go to poorer Serie A teams or other leagues, where they will send home oe lower the weaker players...

If this rule would be applied today, only Maicon, Ibra, Cambiasso, Zanetti and Julio would play. All the other foreigner should go on the bench or leave the club. And we would need at least 10-12 Italian players.
 

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On the other hand it would make ''small'' domestic leagues more popular as some of the best players would have to return there. It would still weaken NT's tough.

You probably don't now about it but in former Yugoslavia (pre 1991) there was a rule that players weren't allowed to move abroad until they were 28 years old. This meant we had quite strong league and when players were finally allowed to move, they were worth much more than 16 y/o kids that are leaving to Italy or Netherlands today. This strenghten the league even more as there was more money available to invest in youth systems and top clubs could also afford some foreigners.

I think this rule was OK and it could function again, but it would have to be used in all countries.
 

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In our domestic league the moral and the whole surrounding make the players worse and worse.

A footballer playing in Hungary won't be never the same as he would be if he played in abroad. Mentally the different is "sky and earth." So, if the NT player would stay in domestic league, they won't push the level up, but the others would pull them down.

But it's a different question, not exactly for this rule.
 

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Using Italy right now, as an example, the Italian talent competes- not necessarily on Inter- but on teams like Bologna, Sampdoria, etc. And they are forced to compete against elite international talent via Roma, Inter, AC, etc, etc. So doesn't the current system actually strengthen the Italian National Team by forcing its players to play against higher competition and perform at a higher level to make the Champions League? Plenty of teams in Serie A field predominantly Italian talent.
 

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I guess what will be an

Inter vs Italy match result right now?
 

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right guys, important stuff

http://www.goal.com/en/news/8/main/...x-plus-five-will-see-italy-conquer-england-ag

It has been a chastening week for the Italian game with all three Champions League representatives being dumped out of the competition by English clubs. Goal.com's Gil Gillespie thinks the balance of power will soon be swinging back the other way...

14 Mar 2009 14:30:33

A wind of change is coming. Following the clean sweep by English clubs over their Italian rivals in the Champions League, Arsene Wenger made a point of saying that periods of supremacy in football are cyclical and that the current dominance of the Premier League in Europe will not last forever.

Wenger is almost certainly correct. But not, perhaps, in the way he thinks.

If FIFA president Sepp Blatter manages to persuade the European Union to let him implement his much talked about 'six-plus-five' directive, the era of supremacy of England's top clubs will almost certainly be coming to an end.

With the 'six-plus-five' idea seemingly gathering an unstoppable momentum, it looks as though the number of foreign players permitted in any European teams’ starting XI's from the 2010-11 season will be limited to seven, a figure that will then drop to five the following year.

In three years, Wenger, if he's still around, and his compatriots will have to find six English players to compete against Italian, Spanish and German teams, all of whom will have at least six home-grown players of their own.

The team that Wenger sent out on the pitch at the Stadio Olimpico against Roma last Wednesday evening to start the match contained not one English player. Rafael Benitez' Liverpool side boasted just two Englishmen, Chelsea had three on the pitch against Juventus and the Manchester United team that needed the assistance of the woodwork to get past Inter included four players born in the clubs' country of origin.

Even the normally jingoistic English newspaper The Sun was loathe to celebrate the Champions League victories as an 'English success'.

"Let us not kid ourselves that the current revolution is something English," howled their editorial, savagely.

With the 'six-plus-five' ruling now almost visible on the horizon, the biggest problem facing those in charge of the big four Premier League clubs is a serious dearth of home-grown talent.

How are they going to fill all those positions? Can you name 20 plus English-born players who will be good enough to compete in the Champions League by 2012? Thought not.

Even the clubs outside the top four of the Premier League are stuffed to the gills with imports from all four corners of the globe. Modestly-funded sides such as Bolton Wanderers, West Bromwich Albion, Portsmouth and Wigan Athletic frequently turn out sides with six, seven or even eight overseas stars on the team-sheet. There is no room for native talent to develop – and there is no talent breaking through in any case.

But, if you take a look at similarly sized clubs in Serie A, it is a very different story.

According to the recent Goal.com investigation ‘Italy v England: Premier League Full Of Foreigners, Serie A Home-grown?’, the Serie A clubs outside the top four (Inter, Milan, Juventus and Roma) average just 3.25 foreigners per starting X1.

Even Milan, Juventus, Roma and Fiorentina usually have less than six stranieri in their side’s at kick-off. With the exception of Inter, the Italian top flight is already operating under the rules laid out by FIFA's 'six-plus-five' legislation.

And this has not just happened out of necessity or an inability to compete with the Premier League financially. Italian authorities have long been resistant to the hijacking of Calcio by foreign forces, simply because they are rightly proud of the unique identity of their football and do not want to see it reduced to a bucket of watery, multi-national soup.

Anyone accusing FIFA of fuelling the flames of xenophobia needs to ask themselves this: why do we play sport in the first place? Sport, surely, is all about nation against nation, the clash of two cultures, one deeply-held idea pitched against another in a battle for ultimate supremacy.

So when Italian clubs play English clubs in the greatest club competition in football, these sporting foundations should be in place, just as they were before the Bosman ruling came into being in 1995.

But when Inter play Manchester United these days, it is Italy versus England in only name.

"There is precious little of English or Italian in these teams,” Marcello Lippi commented in Il Messaggero last week.

Arsene Wenger, of course, says that any limit on the number of foreign players would damage the quality of the Champions League. But does FIFA's insistence on international teams using home-grown players in the World Cup have a detrimental effect on the quality of the football played in the competition? Even if the standard is lower than it is in the Champions League, as Wenger contests, does this devalue the tournament in any way? No it doesn't.

But maybe Wenger is so vocal in his protestations against the 'six-plus-five' rule because he knows that his English-based club are going to be in trouble if, or when, it is introduced. The same goes for the other bosses of the English Champions League clubs.

Unless they act now, and now might already be too late, the four foreign-owned, foreign-managed and foreign-staffed English clubs will have to deal with the playing field being suddenly levelled when the 'six-plus-five' ruling comes into place.

Richard Scudamore, chief executive of the Premier League, seems to be trying to bury his head in the sand over the ruling, crossing his fingers that it either won't happen or he will somehow be able to find his way around it.

There can be little doubt that if the six-plus-five rule came in tomorrow, it would be the Italian and Spanish clubs who would dominate next season's Champions League.

Italy, in particular, is bursting with youthful talent. The Italian Under-21 side, although currently trophy-less, is up there with the best in the world. And, if FIFA get their way, the likes of Sebastian Giovinco, Antonio Nocerino, Marco Motta, Davide Santon, Claudio Marchisio, Robert Acquafresca, Vincenzo Fiorillo and a whole host of others will suddenly become much hotter properties as Milan, Juventus, Inter and Roma try to fill their six native player spots with the best home-grown talent available.

Where are their English equivalents'? They are probably sitting at home on their Playstations, victims of a dismal physical education and a culture of nihilistic lethargy.

FA development chief Trevor Brooking has been warning for some time now that he has never known the quality of young English players to be so poor. Brooking believes England are ten years behind Spain when it comes to youth development.

The billionaire giants of the Premier League may be celebrating their status as the top European football superpower at the moment but, at some point in the next couple of years, English football will need to become a little more English again.

The days of the Premier League clubs buying success in the Champions League are numbered. And the rumours about the death of Serie A have been greatly exaggerated.

Gil Gillespie, Goal.com
 

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Although I know Inter will be hurt by this rule, I like the rule on itself, I'd support it.
 

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Although I know Inter will be hurt by this rule, I like the rule on itself, I'd support it.

Well, it seems, in 2-3 years, we will play easily under this rule.
 

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I don't think this can happen because of the E.U. regulations!
Free labour is an essential fundament of the E.U.
So EUROPEAN citizens can work anywhere in the E.U. !!
That's why there can be rules for NON-EU players (South America) but not for E.U. citizens!! It would be outrageous.
 

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I don't think this can happen because of the E.U. regulations!
Free labour is an essential fundament of the E.U.
So EUROPEAN citizens can work anywhere in the E.U. !!
That's why there can be rules for NON-EU players (South America) but not for E.U. citizens!! It would be outrageous.

On fifa.com they posted a PDF document explaining why it isn't against the rules. Five experts of european law from different countries have invesgigated it together and came to the conclusion that it isn't against the law at all. I will post the link if I can find it.

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That was a paper sponsored by fifa. It was hardly an independent research project.

Unless they say football is different than any other job then they can't implement this idea.

I hope this dies in the water. Silly idea football is a global game and clubs should be allowed to employ whoever they think is the best suited to the job. If the local player is good he will get a place at a club, if he isn't he won't. Competition is good, it lifts levels.
 

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I agree with Stefan, this rule would be totally stupid.
I strongly believe it won't be allowed, it's discrimation between european workers (players).

It's totally useless, and if we allow such thing, next thing you know they will try to implement 10+1 then 11 !!! It's absurd, let quality decide.
 

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Well we'd probably do the same shite anyway in CL regardless of our players nationality
 

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Our CEO is slightly wrong the Septic one is still in favor of 6+5 but I am very happy about this news. I am in favor of uefa's approach to encourage develop of young players but not discriminating on nationality. I like mario,santon and destro just as much as belec,obi and krhin.

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Jan Figel, the European Commissioner responsible for sport, reassured members of the European Club Association (ECA) that the so-called "6+5" rule favored by football's global governing body could not be imposed on them. It would limit clubs to start matches with a maximum of five foreign players in the lineup. "Six-plus-five as it stands now is not compatible with the EU laws," Figel told The Associated Press after his speech to officials from more than 100 clubs, including Barcelona, Manchester United and Real Madrid.
ECA advisers made a presentation to members at their assembly contrasting the upside and problems of the Fifa-backed rule.
"No one now says that they are in favor of six-plus-five, no one," Inter Milan general manager Ernesto Paolillo said after the meeting.
Both Fifa and European authority Uefa agree that clubs need to promote local talent and retain their national identity. Some teams like Arsenal and Inter have been known to start league matches with 11 foreigners.
Fifa's national members have given their president Sepp Blatter a mandate to continue seeking political support for the worldwide rule.
But European lawmakers say Fifa's plan discriminates on the grounds of nationality, and favor Uefa's "homegrown" rule which would require continental clubs to carry a quota of players of any nationality who were trained in that country.
"It is true that we accept indirect discrimination," Figel said of the homegrown rule. "But we underlined that the measures proposed can be seen as pursuing a legitimate objective. The objective is the investment in young talent, training young people and sustainability of competitions.
"We agree with Fifa on the objectives but the solution must be further evolved," he said.
A version of Uefa's homegrown rule applies to its Champions League competition where clubs must include at least eight home-trained players in a squad of 25.
The rule could apply to leagues across Europe's 53 football nations after the EU's proposed Lisbon Treaty reform program is likely approved. It would allow sports some special exemptions from labor and competition laws to run their own affairs.
"It means that sport has special character. But not in conflict with the EU's basic principles," Figel said.
The Slovak official ends his five-year European Commission mandate next month, but said responsibility for the policy would pass to his successor.
http://www.supersport.com/football/...ial tells clubs 6+5 rule is illegal&id=315098
 

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Well we'd probably do the same shite anyway in CL regardless of our players nationality

How my opinion has changed ;).

If I was any other club team fan I'd be in full support of this proposal.
But, it would obviously severley weaken our current side.

Perhaps starting with 1 + 10 and working their way up to 6 would be better to allow clubs to re-structure the squad.
 

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How my opinion has changed ;).

If I was any other club team fan I'd be in full support of this proposal.
But, it would obviously severley weaken our current side.

Perhaps starting with 1 + 10 and working their way up to 6 would be better to allow clubs to re-structure the squad.
lol fuckin irishman.
 
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