Roberto Mancini

[thatdude]

You guys can sit here and debate whether or not Mancini should have brought on Murillo, but the bottom line is the Bologna goal came from Kondogbia's mistake, which he could have made in any formation. Mancini can only do so much to account for individual mistakes.

 

[Ronin]

You guys can sit here and debate whether or not Mancini should have brought on Murillo, but the bottom line is the Bologna goal came from Kondogbia's mistake, which he could have made in any formation. Mancini can only do so much to account for individual mistakes.

I agree, but thing is it's not the first time Mancini switched to a 3-men defense line and concede shortly after. If Melo came in instead of Murillo maybe Kondogbia wouldn't have been pressured into that mistake.

 

[Ed.]

But it was not the first time Mancini changes formation to 3 back and we concede immediately. If it happens once or twice might be bad luck but it is repetitively exposing individual mistakes, then it means the player is not as comfortable in that formation.

 

[thatdude]

But it was not the first time Mancini changes formation to 3 back and we concede immediately. If it happens once or twice might be bad luck but it is repetitively exposing individual mistakes, then it means the player is not as comfortable in that formation.

None of the times we conceded once we changed to a back 3 came from a player passing the ball directly to a sprinting attacker instantly creating a counter attacking situation on our defense.

 

[Ed.]

None of the times we conceded once we changed to a back 3 came from a player passing the ball directly to a sprinting attacker instantly creating a counter attacking situation on our defense.

If we stayed with a 4-back, JJ would not be positioned out wide and DDA should have tracking the Bologna player. If you watch the replay, Kondogbia pass to JJ was too weak. It is a pass that you make due to confusion. With a 4-back, JJ would be closer to middle hence exactly behind Kondogbia where the empty zone was exposed. With a 3-back, DDA and Nagatomo were pushed further forward. The change of formation might have caused players into personal errors.

 

[thatdude]

If we stayed with a 4-back, JJ would not be positioned out wide and DDA should have tracking the Bologna player. If you watch the replay, Kondogbia pass to JJ was too weak. It is a pass that you make due to confusion. With a 4-back, JJ would be closer to middle hence exactly behind Kondogbia where the empty zone was exposed. With a 3-back, DDA and Nagatomo were pushed further forward. The change of formation might have caused players into personal errors.

I think you're reading too much into it. I hear your argument and perhaps there's some truth in it, but it also seems a tad bit of a stretch. Kondogbia had time to look up and see where Juan was, he simply under hit the pass. If for example he made a no look pass to space expecting Juan to be there that would be different.

Looking and passing is just pure fundamentals of this sport, you have to be able to do that regardless of what formation you're in. It was Kondogbia's mistake, that doesn't mean we should hate him for it, but it is what it is.

 

[UnknownGenius]

I think you're reading too much into it. I hear your argument and perhaps there's some truth in it, but it also seems a tad bit of a stretch. Kondogbia had time to look up and see where Juan was, he simply under hit the pass. If for example he made a no look pass to space expecting Juan to be there that would be different.

Looking and passing is just pure fundamentals of this sport, you have to be able to do that regardless of what formation you're in. It was Kondogbia's mistake, that doesn't mean we should hate him for it, but it is what it is.

Get off this forum you're talking too much common sense :work:

 

[Eustass]

Biggest Manicini hater here.

I am starting to like him cuz he got us Miranda and Perisic.

tbh he got a trend here, he got Kompany in city, saw his leadership skills and name him captain, same with Miranda here.

he got Silva in city to create and score, same with Perisic here, he was awful at start but has been his usual self lately.

he got toure to boss the midfield in city, same with k'dog here, been disaster till now, but will pay off if we be patient.

i'm lazy to type so, thats all

that being said, i would replace him in heartbeat if only we can get someone like Simeone, Mourinho or Klopp. pass everyone else.

 

[Shark]

Nah mate, Perisic hasn't done enough to give Mancini kudos for bringing him here. Sure he runs his ass of and contributes defensively but the end product is still lackluster. I think we all expected more goals and assists from him. Coupled with his utterly predictable runs, it is at times frustrating to watch him play. I'm not saying the transfer was a fail - that would be silly considering he's only been here six months.

It's equally silly to call Kondogbia "a disaster till now". He has already shown he has the physique to fend off opponents and the ability to dribble out of tight spaces when surrounded by 3 or 4 guys. These are two really good attributes to have in Serie A. The unnecessary misplaced passes and the major fuck ups he has from time to time is just the product of lack of concentration and confidence, which are both caused - ironically - by the fans and by the fucking media.

I kinda went off-topic. But yeah, fuck you Mancini for not using a trequartista :fffuuu:

 

[Eustass]

Nah mate, Perisic hasn't done enough to give Mancini kudos for bringing him here. Sure he runs his ass of and contributes defensively but the end product is still lackluster. I think we all expected more goals and assists from him. Coupled with his utterly predictable runs, it is at times frustrating to watch him play. I'm not saying the transfer was a fail - that would be silly considering he's only been here six months.

It's equally silly to call Kondogbia "a disaster till now". He has already shown he has the physique to fend off opponents and the ability to dribble out of tight spaces when surrounded by 3 or 4 guys. These are two really good attributes to have in Serie A. The unnecessary misplaced passes and the major fuck ups he has from time to time is just the product of lack of concentration and confidence, which are both caused - ironically - by the fans and by the fucking media.

I kinda went off-topic. But yeah, fuck you Mancini for not using a trequartista :fffuuu:

spot on there.

perisic can be an good example of typical Mancini signing

he also implies that we need to patient with k'dog for his development

we don't have world class players and can't afford them right now, what we need is 11 hard working decent players with winning attitude, and when i compare Mancici's sumer signings i can see it in common (some exceptions are there) also we have been bashing him for not having any policy, but i can clearly see his policy in transfers when i compare his Inter's transfers with City, only for low budget, way too low.

Miranda was great from start, telles was decent, melo brought character in the dressing room, Shaqiri was sold for attitude problems and Kova for ffp.

perisic is starting to be decent, ljajic was a panic buy but he is good, k'dog will be be great no doubt, he has mentality issues, he seems soo scared right now,

montoya was a fail but his barca affiliation was enough to attract teams like us to get him, eder is a versatile fw and can be a back up if we get into cl, he was cheap considering the market for one of the serie A's highest scorer

I'm only implying Mancini is not that bad in transfers as me and other Mancini haters suggest, no doubt hs game plan sucks, also sometime team selection and formation, might be his habit working with superstars in the past.

again laziness strikes............

 

[A.l.i]

Defeat against Roma and his season will be deemed a failure. The highest paid coach to deliver a 4-6th league position Lol.

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[Batman]

But but, its an upgrade to last season's 8th place blivious:

 

[CoolMan44]

Nah mate, Perisic hasn't done enough to give Mancini kudos for bringing him here. Sure he runs his ass of and contributes defensively but the end product is still lackluster. I think we all expected more goals and assists from him. Coupled with his utterly predictable runs, it is at times frustrating to watch him play. I'm not saying the transfer was a fail - that would be silly considering he's only been here six months.

It's equally silly to call Kondogbia "a disaster till now". He has already shown he has the physique to fend off opponents and the ability to dribble out of tight spaces when surrounded by 3 or 4 guys. These are two really good attributes to have in Serie A. The unnecessary misplaced passes and the major fuck ups he has from time to time is just the product of lack of concentration and confidence, which are both caused - ironically - by the fans and by the fucking media.

I kinda went off-topic. But yeah, fuck you Mancini for not using a trequartista :fffuuu:

I don't know about the score and assist numbers.

He has 5 goals and 4 assists in the league. I don't think that's too far out of what most people were expecting. If you ignore strikers, we haven't had many players who had these numbers over the last years. Even Sneijder who was one of our best players had probably no more than 6 goals in a season? And I don't think he had more than 5 assists either. Obviously, not a good comparison considering what Sneijder brought to the team and he's the one that made us tick, so his contribution was much greater and essential.

Anyway, I think Perisic would offer a lot more if we actually had a game plan and didn't spend the majority of most games defending. He was under par at the beginning, but it also takes time to get used to a new league. He has been better recently though.

 

[Shark]

I don't know about the score and assist numbers.

He has 5 goals and 4 assists in the league. I don't think that's too far out of what most people were expecting. If you ignore strikers, we haven't had many players who had these numbers over the last years. Even Sneijder who was one of our best players had probably no more than 6 goals in a season? And I don't think he had more than 5 assists either. Obviously, not a good comparison considering what Sneijder brought to the team and he's the one that made us tick, so his contribution was much greater and essential.

Anyway, I think Perisic would offer a lot more if we actually had a game plan and didn't spend the majority of most games defending. He was under par at the beginning, but it also takes time to get used to a new league. He has been better recently though.

This is one of those many cases in which stats can be quite misleading. Imagine you have an AK47 and fire all 30 rounds, hitting the target 5 times. Then another guy comes along and fires all 6 bullets of his pistol, hitting the target 5 times as well. Now would you claim you did an equally good job as the other guy?

What I'm saying is that Perisic has had many opportunities to create a chance but because of his predictable play, he's wasted those opportunities. If he'd just mix up his dribbles once in a while - or hell, even if he'd just alternate the direction of his step-overs, I think his game would improve by a lot.
It's just frustrating to watch him play sometimes, which can't be said about Sneijder. But you correctly dismissed the comparison.

 

[surripere]

I like how we're playing now, I could live with him, but he'll probably start fucking around again, he just can't help himself. Wtf was with that Melo substitution?

 

[Ronin]

The Melo sub was fine, the Manaj one was not. He subbed out a winger/wide midfielder for a striker when we were trying to hold the result. Manaj should've replaced Eder who was pretty tired and Melo subbed Ljajic.

 

[nurko]

Seemed really dissapointing to see players wasting time after the equalizer, and seeing Melo replace a striker with less than 10 minutes to go. Such a poor mentality from both Mancini and the team.

 

[surripere]

The Melo sub was fine, the Manaj one was not. He subbed out a winger/wide midfielder for a striker when we were trying to hold the result. Manaj should've replaced Eder who was pretty tired and Melo subbed Ljajic.

Eh no it wasn't because he should've subbed him on earlier for either Eder or Ljajic, instead he chose Manaj.

 

[Adriano@10]

Agreed the Manaj sub was very weird it was already obvious that we re not going to score another goal and that we are mostly going to just try and hold on. So how on earth do you sub in 19 year old striker who you usually dont even trust when we re 2:0 up and playing against a shitty team? I know we did not have many options on the bench but IMHO manaj was one of the worst choices Mancini could have made at this moment. Also taking of Biabiany who has helped out d ambrosio in defense big time was questionable.

Anyways despite these questionable subs Mancini and the team has positively suprised me in the last couple of games so i guess keep up the good work.

 

[A.l.i]

Because Babiany was exhausted. Agreed on the Mentality part. What else do we expect from Inter coaches these days? Desperate for results and third place. Drawing > Losing.

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