Rafinha

[brehme1989]

Exactly. Where the fuck was the Cancelo hashtag?

There's no argument that Rafinha had more of an impact than Cancelo. No idea why some people insist that Cancelo was some kind of prodigy in the 2nd half of the season. Rafinha is far more liked than Cancelo by the Interisti, it's just a simple fact. He's also been much more expressive.

 

[JJM]

Pedulla - The roads of Inter and Rafinha have separated at the end of the season, but it is not excluded that they can cross again. The market is long, we are just at 2 July, for the Nerazzurri there is enough time to return to knocking on the Barça's door for the Brazilian midfielder. Rafinha himself, as we have told you, has received other proposals from Italy, but Inter has not yet lost the hopes of embracing him again. Indeed, there is plenty of time to reason and understand if the deal could be feasible. And that message from the father, as well as agent, from Rafinha ("If the Milanese company had strongly wanted my son, would have moved with more determination") can be framed within a strategy to hurry the fuck up... to Inter.

 

[brehme1989]

Rube, Napoli and Lazio are interested in him as well. We made a proper loan bid with an obligation apparently, so we'll see how it goes. I'm still guessing that this has to do with a 25m+ sale (Vecino or Joao Mario)

 

[Palatiga]

We need kante like midfield tbh, not exactly rafinha type,
Maybe we should buy torreira before arsenal, i see some praise on his wc performance like a mini kante they said,
Or maybe fuck levy can keep dembele and we hijack ndombele

 

[Ronaldo]

There's no argument that Rafinha had more of an impact than Cancelo. No idea why some people insist that Cancelo was some kind of prodigy in the 2nd half of the season. Rafinha is far more liked than Cancelo by the Interisti, it's just a simple fact. He's also been much more expressive.

IMO, Cancelo had way more impact that Rafinha. During the 2-3 months in the middle of the season when our team suddenly declined, him and Skriniar were the only players who stepped up their game and performed week in week out.

Yes, Rafinha's been much more expressive but so has been Guarin. Doesn't mean we have to sign either of them.

I agree with Uni about Rafinha. I like the guy, his attitude and enthusiasim but still think that 38 million is just a little bit too much for an injuryprone player. I think 25 million is a fair price.

However, I'd be happy if we signed him.

 

[ElDuccio]

but cancelo also sucked at the beggining while rafinha had only 3-4 months and still was good with less time

 

[Universe]

There's no argument that Rafinha had more of an impact than Cancelo. No idea why some people insist that Cancelo was some kind of prodigy in the 2nd half of the season. Rafinha is far more liked than Cancelo by the Interisti, it's just a simple fact. He's also been much more expressive.

Come on.

IMO, Cancelo had way more impact that Rafinha. During the 2-3 months in the middle of the season when our team suddenly declined, him and Skriniar were the only players who stepped up their game and performed week in week out.

Yes, Rafinha's been much more expressive but so has been Guarin. Doesn't mean we have to sign either of them.

I agree with Uni about Rafinha. I like the guy, his attitude and enthusiasim but still think that 38 million is just a little bit too much for an injuryprone player. I think 25 million is a fair price.

However, I'd be happy if we signed him.

We all agree that player's expressiveness only goes so far as reaching the fans, but not influencing a managerial decision to sign the player or not.

But I notice there's a handful of guys who seem unreasonably against Cancelo. I've probably been his most vocal supporter here to the point you're all sick of me. But don't be mistaken - I'm not actually a homer for the guy, he has weaknesses I'm very aware of. I'm just surprised by, and feel the need to respond to, opinions that seem outside of the scope of reason to me.

Cancelo might not have been a prodigy as brehme says (whatever you consider a prodigy to be..) but I don't understand how anyone can support not signing the guy when he was very, very, stupidly obviously, the most effective offensive fullback we've had since Maicon.

I look at it this way:

1. I look at the right back's we've had since Maicon. I think of them as an individual player, their impact on our overall team play, their potential for improvement and the price we paid for them. Then I look at Cancelo. I clearly prefer Cancelo to D'Ambrosio, Nagatomo, Santon, Jonathan, Wallace, Montoya etc. So I consider Cancelo a solution for that problem position. I consider his price a worthy payment for that solution.

2. Then I look at the right backs we could realistically, potentially buy, and the names we're linked to: Florenzi, Vrsaljko, Zappacosta, Darmian, Aleix Vidal. Just like in step 1, I try to assess them and their careers to date, I try to use that assessment to imagine their impact on our team play, I consider their potential for improvement, and I consider their pricetag. And I still consider Cancelo a better solution.

Seems sensible to me. My 'desperation' in defending the guy is because it seems so incredibly insensible to dismiss him.

Apply those two steps to Rafinha, with his career to date, and at his price, and there's a lot more names you could mention that are on par with him, in fact, we got a clear upgrade in Nainggolan.

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but cancelo also sucked at the beggining while rafinha had only 3-4 months and still was good with less time

Cancelo had a knee ligament injury and didn't even play 90 minutes until halfway through December.

 

[SiamoNoi]

Not sure about clear upgrade in Nainggolan but I agree with everything else.

Even if Nainggolan was upgrade just this one quality midfielder is not enough.

 

[ElDuccio]

@Uni
yeah but at the first games he was really bad... Rafinha played after 6-7 months pause i think. And he still was amazing at the first game..

 

[brehme1989]

Cancelo might not have been a prodigy as brehme says (whatever you consider a prodigy to be..) but I don't understand how anyone can support not signing the guy when he was very, very, stupidly obviously, the most effective offensive fullback we've had since Maicon.

A prodigy would be Skriniar or Icardi (2nd season). Cancelo has more weaknesses than strengths at this point.

I look at it this way:

1. I look at the right back's we've had since Maicon. I think of them as an individual player, their impact on our overall team play, their potential for improvement and the price we paid for them. Then I look at Cancelo. I clearly prefer Cancelo to D'Ambrosio, Nagatomo, Santon, Jonathan, Wallace, Montoya etc. So I consider Cancelo a solution for that problem position. I consider his price a worthy payment for that solution.

Doesn't matter who we had or who we will have. What matter is that Cancelo is not a 38m player.
How about the players we could have had with the money we spent on full backs? Why do you think this won't apply in the future if we had spent 38m on Cancelo? We could have gotten Florenzi AND Arias with the same amount for example. Cancelo was motivated to play because he wanted to get to the World Cup and also wanted to get an expensive transfer fee. What happens now that he was dismissed from the NT and yet he got his big transfer?

2. Then I look at the right backs we could realistically, potentially buy, and the names we're linked to: Florenzi, Vrsaljko, Zappacosta, Darmian, Aleix Vidal. Just like in step 1, I try to assess them and their careers to date, I try to use that assessment to imagine their impact on our team play, I consider their potential for improvement, and I consider their pricetag. And I still consider Cancelo a better solution.

Florenzi and Zappacosta could add offensively to the team without risking to have a hole in the defence. I'd take that over "expecting a 24 year old to be like Maicon when he's 26". Just because Darmian and Vidal suck, doesn't mean that Cancelo needs to be signed at that excessive fee. Vrsaljko at 30m is also too much. Zappacosta should go at 15 and Florenzi at 20. If we spend more, it's also a waste of funds.

The only logical assumption here is that you rate Cancelo higher than his true value, which is the only reason you can come up with 'potential + price' and consider that Cancelo is the best choice of the lot.

Cancelo was better than okay for the duration of his loan at Inter, but that doesn't mean 38m is worth it.
Rafinha was more consistent, though not very consistent overall, and had helped the team indirectly with his determination and winner mentality and also helped our offense tick, which was our biggest problem before he came. I'm not the biggest Rafinha fan out there, but it makes more sense to press for the guy who gelled with Perisic and Icardi and was vital to our CL run instead of the RB that does fancy tricks and managed a few assists [even D'Ambrosio can do that without being a set piece taker] but cannot defend in open spaces and forgets to cover his position.

Cancelo is not irreplaceable for Portugal who have like 3-4 right backs to choose from. It's not like people in Portugal were surprised he wasn't selected or that it was some sort of scandalous omission like Cambiasso in 2010 and Zanetti in 2006. We have an unlimited amount of right backs to choose from and some people here are crying over him. He's not a player to build your team around and for 35+ you'd expect a leading figure of some sort. He's a player that simply completes a lineup and if the situation is good for him, he can excel without pressing his limitations as they'd be eliminated by the fact that he'd play for a strong team (eg Real, Barcelona, PSG etc). He wasn't raising our team a level. Not many right backs can. Actually none of the current right backs can do that for any big team. This is like wanting to spend 50,000 on a fancy FIAT because the French and Japanese cars that you made market research for aren't as good. Still doesn't explain why you want to spend Mercedes money on a FIAT.

P.S: Rafinha is not worth 38m either. As I said before the season ended, both are players I wouldn't go over 25-27m for. But the difference with spending on Rafinha is that we can do it whenever we please, whilst with Cancelo we had to do it when it was impossible.

 

[SiamoNoi]

Anyone remember another player who was pushed to the wing cause of "defensive liability" and cause of that he go away at the age of 23?You can find him now in a book of best FBs ever.

Just sayin.

 

[varmin]

Rafinha gives much more fluidity to our gameplay than Cancelo.

 

[uzhang]

Anyone remember another player who was pushed to the wing cause of "defensive liability" and cause of that he go away at the age of 23?You can find him now in a book of best FBs ever.

Just sayin.

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[JJM]

I read that Nainggolan isn't even Rafi replacement in the style of play but it will be Malcom X so...
There I explained the mistery
Well not entirely...
Spallo is the one who is pushing hard for Malcom X, he wants to make him in to his new Salah... And the Brazilian kid will be an Inter player because Bordeaux cave in to the loan with option buy as the loan fee is 10mil!+30mil buyout making it quite clear we want him but we bypass stupid FFP rules this way... With CL squad list BS rules.

So most likely no Rafi back unless... Surprises as Pedulla said

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[danz]

Both are equally important and play a big role in our CL journey last season. But if I have to choose one, that will be Cancelo, love him since his first appearance in Inter shirt. Like Uni said, a good RB with skills and brain is really hard to find . He, rafinha, skrinar and Icardi literally lift our ass at the 2nd half of the season, and therefore, his price tag seems justifiable. People here most of the time complaining our winger didnt have a proper support from rb or lb, well, look at our rb or lb minus cancelo, so fucking pathetic, even words cant describe the sadness.

Decision has been made, when love and hate collide feeling
Goodbye Cancelo , hope you flop real hard in Rubenturds. I said this before, he is going to be unstoppable if he join rube, I hope I'm wrong. If I'm right, fuck me.

 

[ElDuccio]

FcInterNews is saying that Rafinha could return because we need another trequartista. Valero, Vecino and Brozovic already failled in that position, Nainngolan can´t play every game.

 

[PHM1605]

FcInterNews is saying that Rafinha could return because we need another trequartista. Valero, Vecino and Brozovic already failled in that position, Nainngolan can´t play every game.

We bought Lautaro to play there I think, Malcom and Politano could work too. I don't see we buy Rafinha unless Candreva, Eder, Gabishit, Vecino all leave.

 

[JJM]

erm...Lautaro isn't an AM...He is an SS/CF hybrid type of player. EL TOOOROO! I dunno what Spallo plans for him tho...we shall see what happens

where do we have the money for so many buys I wonder? haha

 

[rfU]

9ggolan can play behind the forwards but he isn't a playmaker and he's not creative, so how is he a replacement for Rafinha?

 

[ElDuccio]

And malcom is getting too expensive.. so what are the solutions?

Get a good low cost Winger (Suso?) + Rafinha..