Messi - Rooney

[Handoyo]

the way i look at it, is that the england world cup team, pinned so much of their hope on rooney, and his ablitiy to play good football. rooney was supposed to be the money man, and obviously the english saw something very special in him

on the other hand, messi, wasn't the "main man" of the argie team. he was just their to provide some skill, and really just assert himself in the international scene.

Are you trying to say that because England pin their hopes on Rooney but Argentina not on Messi, and thus Rooney is better than Messi?

If yes, sorry but that's nonsense. If Australia pin their hopes on Tim Cahill, then does that make Tim better than Messi too?


Handyo

 

[catanha]

what has Rooney ever done in the Champions League, what has he ever done against the likes of Chelsea & Arsenal in the Premier League, he is a bully who eats up little teams.

Messi has double the skill of any young midfielder in the world, thats not to say Rooney is sh1t, he is a great player and I'm not going to be bias and have a go at him because I don't like the EPL or the English NT, Rooney cops too much sh1t in terms of his on-field actions which is very undeserved, but the amount of sh1t he gets for his temper and control is deserved.

@ the Aimar & Saviola references, Aimar was never as good as Messi was when he was 17/18, Messi was said to be the greatest young talent to have ever played at Barcelona's youth club (before he even played a senior game). If wanna make stupid comparisons, why not bring Paul Gascoigne into the argument? he was a tempered player with massive talent then turned into a bottler, why not bring up Robbie Fowler, who was a great player and even more massive potential, or why not bring up Michael Owen who was incredbile in 98 and won European player of the year, but now has burnt out.
Comparisons can be made with every players, not just South Americans who are always compared to Pele & Maradona.

I've seen players come and go for years, but never have I seen a young talent as good as Messi, he oozes class and intelligence on the field, he stole the headlines from the best in the world in Ronaldinho when they played Chelsea and its not as if Messi is injury prone, he's just suffered one injury which has kept him on the sidelines.

I'm also not gonna go say that Messi is gonna be the greatest in history (cozzi, you joke, Rooney is gonna be the greatest ) because a lot of things can happen from now up until he finishes his career, but now with a hand on heart and no absolute bias, Rooney (nor Tevez, or Aguero [who is the better dribbler than Messi]) are not better than Lio.

 

[pablito]

Are you trying to say that because England pin their hopes on Rooney but Argentina not on Messi, and thus Rooney is better than Messi?

If yes, sorry but that's nonsense. If Australia pin their hopes on Tim Cahill, then does that make Tim better than Messi too?


Handyo

nope, i'm meerly tryinng to establish the point, that the fact that england base their campaighn around rooney, proves the kid can play brilliant football, and he is not nesesarliy the vioelent pig that some members will have you believe

i still dont understand why messi didn't have more game time. if he is so dam good, or like Bitchmo said "Messi has double the talent Maradona had." its a great shame i guess

like G-man said, its difficult to say who the better player is, but instead to see who you would prefer.

edit: i love your passion for messi catanha

 

[catanha]

because he was injured, pablo.
If Pekerman didn't rate him so highly he would've left him @ home like he did with Aguero (who whilst I was in Argentina, the pressure for Pekerman to pick him was as big as Baggio for Italia in 2002 & Romario in the previous two WC's)....

Messi's performances were good as well in the WC, unlike a certain Rooney.

 

[pablito]

true that
messi was on the field for a matter of 15 minutes against S&M and scored a goal, aswell as setting up one i think. plus i saw some of his dribbling skills, which were ace

 

[M.Adnan]

Messi = 1000000000000000 X Ronney.

1- Pay 100M to get Messi.
2- Take Ronney + 100M.

I will choose the first option.

I don't consider Ronney as a football player.

 

[Handoyo]

nope, i'm meerly tryinng to establish the point, that the fact that england base their campaighn around rooney, proves the kid can play brilliant football, and he is not nesesarliy the vioelent pig that some members will have you believe

Disagree, totally. You definitely did not establish a point there.

Mancini preferred Matrix & Miha to Samuel for a few times last season, does that mean that Matrix & Miha are better than Samuel?

Mancini built his whole midfield and team around Veron, does that mean Veron is the best midfielder or player in Inter?

No.


Handyo

 

[pablito]

i don't understand why your disagreeing with me.
if i didn't establish a point, then, wtf are you arguing over

in any case i'll say this agian, the point i raised about rooney and england, is not one too belittle messi, or say rooney is better...

a few members here seem to think rooney is total rubbish, and is in a better word shite. i'm just saying, this is not the case, and hence provided such evedience.

i gather your trying to say that rooney is not a good player just because england base their campaign around him. i don't see your logic for this...

 

[Handoyo]

i don't understand why your disagreeing with me.
if i didn't establish a point, then, wtf are you arguing over

in any case i'll say this agian, the point i raised about rooney and england, is not one too belittle messi, or say rooney is better...

a few members here seem to think rooney is total rubbish, and is in a better word shite. i'm just saying, this is not the case, and hence provided such evedience.

i gather your trying to say that rooney is not a good player just because england base their campaign around him. i don't see your logic for this...

I'm not saying that Rooney is not a good player because England base their campaign on him but you can't say that Rooney is good or not rubbish because England or Eriksson base their campaign on him.

On the contrary, I think Rooney is a very good talent and just need to establish himself in the CL.


Handyo

 

[Marcello]

Easy as taking candy of a kid

Messi - Much bettter player
- Smarter then Ronney is
- Plays much more exciting football then nearly most people on planet!

Rooney- Phyco head fuk whos so shit

Sorry i guess i cant really say my views on whos better because i hate Rooneys Guts!

 

[Gaetan]

Are you trying to say that because England pin their hopes on Rooney but Argentina not on Messi, and thus Rooney is better than Messi?

No. But this does speak volumes about the talent that this kid has if England decided to bring him on as their 'main player' despite only having 20 years of age. At the rate he is improving, what knocks will we be able to have on him by the time he is 26 or 27, though?

pablo, I too agree with your post. I laugh at all those trying to put Rooney as if he was utter rubbish just to point that they like Messi. Jesus christ, they are both arguably the best young talents, what is there to absolutely pick apart about them?

Great post, catanha! I full heartedly take your point about Argentina's products flopped just like any country could like England. My constant in this about the youngsters is that Rooney has done much more and has been on the scene of top flight football for much longer and has done more then Messi did at 19 years old. In fact, he was at the Euro and moving to Man U. Right?

Perfect example. I know that you are a fan of Aguero, and I definately love him much more then Leo Messi, partly because I get to watch Independiente much more then Barcelona. Now, that is a wonderkid! Scoring goals and leading his team in a tough league at 17 years old.

Shame he wasn't liked by Inter. The Saviola and Aimar comparisons are scaring everybody off.

 

[Handoyo]

No. But this does speak volumes about the talent that this kid has if England decided to bring him on as their 'main player' despite only having 20 years of age. At the rate he is improving, what knocks will we be able to have on him by the time he is 26 or 27, though?

Again, NO. As I have said before, does it speak volume about Veron's talent when Mancini make him to be Inter's go-to player? No no no. Rooney being pinned as England's main hope doesn't only mean that he's a great player but can also mean:

1. England has a lot of rubbish players and Rooney happens to be the best
2. Eriksson is a clueless c*nt
3. A lot of other taletns are overlooked
4. Etc etc

Again, I want to point out that Rooney is a good talent but just because England pinned their WC hopes on him does not justify him being a great one.


Handyo

 

[Gaetan]

Again, NO. As I have said before, does it speak volume about Veron's talent when Mancini make him to be Inter's go-to player? No no no. Rooney being pinned as England's main hope doesn't only mean that he's a great player but can also mean

That is a given. Not every player relied on is a great one, but this happens at joke clubs like Inter. Not in top class national teams. This isn't the first time going into a tournament that Rooney is upfront and heavily relied upon for a good game with either assist or goals. He's done it before!

Now, looking at your alternatives. You seriously mean to tell me that England pinned their hopes on Wayne due to having a lot of rubbish players or snubbing quality players (which ones, Defoe? ) is the real reason why Rooney was a key part on this team?

So, AGAIN, what is so unjust about stating that Rooney being a vital part of England at 20 years old speaks volumes about his talent.

 

[minterke]

Look at Rooney at Euro 2004 when he was a huge suprise for everyone. Then he went to Man Utd and became the most important striker on their team. He had 2 great seasons with them, despite their problems in midfield.

 

[Gaetan]

Look at Rooney at Euro 2004 when he was a huge suprise for everyone. Then he went to Man Utd and became the most important striker on their team. He had 2 great seasons with them, despite their problems in midfield.

He has yet to have a "great" season with Man Utd because of their midfield problems, but at 20 years old he has done more then any of the youngsters mentioned in the same sentence as him IMO.

 

[minterke]

Well, his best season yet is this one where I think he netted 18 something goals and Rooney isn't really a pure goalscorer like Ruud or Crespo. He's definetly a very consistent player and freaks me out how much he runs back and babysits the defence from time to time...his defensive work rate is incredible for a striker.

 

[Handoyo]

That is a given. Not every player relied on is a great one, but this happens at joke clubs like Inter. Not in top class national teams. This isn't the first time going into a tournament that Rooney is upfront and heavily relied upon for a good game with either assist or goals. He's done it before!

How the hell is that a given? "Top class national teams" also relies on the wrong player at times to, for example, Brazil with Ronaldo in this World Cup.

As for the part where "he's done it before", I don't think he was the go-to guy during Euro 2004. Even if he was, he only scored against super Switzerland and callibre Croatia. (No direspect, Kova, InterMilan31, etc. )

Now, looking at your alternatives. You seriously mean to tell me that England pinned their hopes on Wayne due to having a lot of rubbish players or snubbing quality players (which ones, Defoe? ) is the real reason why Rooney was a key part on this team?

They could easily have chose Gerrard. Instead, he's being sacrificed to accomodate Becks on the right and Lamps on the middle.

So, AGAIN, what is so unjust about stating that Rooney being a vital part of England at 20 years old speaks volumes about his talent.

Read above.


Handyo

 

[brehme1989]

I still think that Aguero and Messi are the top KNOWN so far youngsters... Rooney has a lot of talent, but unfortunately for him and England, he's too dumb even to play football

To make you realise how stupid I think Rooney is, if none played football:
-Rooney would be digging holes and placing bricks on top of another
-Messi would be become a bank manager



This is just to signal the intelligence difference

(Smart passes do not show intelligence. Actions do )

 

[Karim]

One thing is that you can't compare between them, the problem is that there is a new generation of players coming up the forward wingers, they are forwards that play in a similar way like haf wingers but in the offensive state that's Messi and Robben and Van Persie and J.Cole such players who have great ball control and superior speed advantage, players who adapted to that role are Ronaldinho and Van Der Meyde and C.Ronaldo Rooney is a pure striker or forward who can occationally play like Recoba, a little behind the other forward instead being on the same line.
Thus you can't compare between them in many terms, but in terms of talent I say both are really good, but I think Messi is a bit more than Rooney and also more mature than the Englishman or should I say Englishkid!

 

[pablito]

I'm not saying that Rooney is not a good player because England base their campaign on him but you can't say that Rooney is good or not rubbish because England or Eriksson base their campaign on him.

Handyo

i really dont see why i cant.

i really fail to understantd your point of view. like G-man said, i highly dounbt engalnd have a whole lot of shit players and rooney is the only stand out.

if erickson is a clueless **** for centering his attention around rooney, then so is the rest of the coaching staff, teammates, the entire poppulation of engalnd, international media.. because they also thought the same way as erikson

you show examples of why my statment is not true, but u seem to fail to notice the overwhelming majority of other examples which proves i'm right.

mmm according to your way of thinking, the player which is the ultimate trump card for a team, has no credibility what so ever, and does not speak volumes of his talent.

Han to you logic i say NO

pablit