Mauro Icardi

[Lui]

Teams are fully aware that the two players are available, this statement was just kindly letting the fans know as well.

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[Alex de Large]

Icardi was obvious, but not 9

 

[Asperiini1]

Yeah taking a stand makes sense and it's right. Doing it this way is just pure idiocy. Forcing them out publicly? Well, I approve it once it's done successfully. Beforehand it looks really stupid and dangerous.

Or the deal with Napoli is allready done and he just said the obvious. Marotta is not stupid and he has been running football clubs for ages.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Or the deal with Napoli is allready done and he just said the obvious. Marotta is not stupid and he has been running football clubs for ages.

I really hope this is the case.

 

[Provenzano]

Di Marzio: "Marotta will never give Icardi to juve."

 

[brehme1989]

The irony is that everybody in the business (bar Moratti who would fire every coach on this planet to make his players happy - tells you all) are standing with Inter on this one ever since day one. However fans who never worked single day in this business knows how stupid Inter and our management is for "doing this to icardi".

Granted, I never worked in this business as well, but I have all those people on my side so I'm in the good company. And I'm not saying it's only jube people who were standing besides us. It's jube people, inter people, journalists, pundits, you name it. The other camp has noone. NOONE (bar Moratti).

THAT is the irony.

But yeah, keep talking how we're doing the biggest mistake of our recent Inter history. Just don't cheer for us come Inter becomes one of the biggest clubs in Europe again in a few years, due to the injected professionalism with Conte and Marotta and getting rid of those who harm our club from within.

I have worked in this business indirectly, still have lots of contacts in it and have also worked in various other team sports where my job was to create a roster and make it challenge for trophies... Almost any sport you can imagine.

I have not heard a single person say that Inter has been doing the right thing. I also have not heard many people say that Icardi is acting all right either, but no one will really comment on that unless they know the full story. But the management is at complete fault for leaking out whatever they did without explicitly saying that Icardi has lost the captaincy for reasons a b and c. And that Icardi is being sold for reasons a b and c. It is ridiculous to side with the club here based on nothing!

In fact I was really pissed today when I heard the news via Whatsapp by someone who currently is working as an assistant to a PL director of football with a rhetoric question along the lines of: "what the fuck is Inter doing???". I had nothing to say. I also was under the impression that Marotta would have handled this in a decent manner but he seems to be a genuine asshole (at best). And this is just the most recent one. I'm pretty sure Juventus, Napoli and even Milan are laughing at our management for behaving like this and view it as a sign of weakness while you portray it as some kind of act of seriousness. Nobody will be taking Inter seriously like this and trust me when I say that from Day 1, Marotta and Conte will be jeered by half the Meazza at least. If results don't go our way we will see unprecedented protests against those two and possibly Suning for giving them such a role. Do they care? Doubtful. They are getting paid nonetheless. The damage is only done to Inter and we will need another 5 years to recover...

No one in their right minds is pro Inter in this. You are fooling yourselves thinking that.
Doesn't mean that everyone is saying Icardi is absolutely correct. But it is Inter's job to sort this mess and instead we've created a huge pile of mess out of thin air!

The people you see speaking in favour of the club are:
1) Media. Because:
a) They are paid to stir shit up, otherwise no clicks or paper sales
b) They want to be on the club's good side because they feed them with inside info that they can present as "exclusive news". Without it, nobody cares about what they say.

2) Former players. These guys mostly want:
a) A position in the club.
b) Just to feel relevant and be on the good side of the club.
c) They genuinely do not know and simply follow the media.

3) Fans:
a) Influenced by media
b) Just didn't like Icardi (and Wanda)

4) Various team officials:
a) They politely side with any management just to be diplomatic and avoid any friction.


For fuck's sake stop thinking outside your asses people. What is happening at the club now seems to be an internal destruction.

If SMS, Griezmann and Eriksen aren't waiting for those two to be sold just to be announced alongside Barella then the club is fucked for the next half of a decade. You can stick that "top player Conte" bullshit wherever you see fit until you are accepting the fact that it's complete bullshit.

Watch Milan, Atalanta and even the Romans overcome us this season with the attitude that our management has...


Can you honestly provide a list of "people in the business" and their direct quotes on the whole issue? I don't think you can come up with any...

 

[ADRossi]

I have worked in this business indirectly, still have lots of contacts in it and have also worked in various other team sports where my job was to create a roster and make it challenge for trophies... Almost any sport you can imagine.

I have not heard a single person say that Inter has been doing the right thing. I also have not heard many people say that Icardi is acting all right either, but no one will really comment on that unless they know the full story. But the management is at complete fault for leaking out whatever they did without explicitly saying that Icardi has lost the captaincy for reasons a b and c. And that Icardi is being sold for reasons a b and c. It is ridiculous to side with the club here based on nothing!

In fact I was really pissed today when I heard the news via Whatsapp by someone who currently is working as an assistant to a PL director of football with a rhetoric question along the lines of: "what the fuck is Inter doing???". I had nothing to say. I also was under the impression that Marotta would have handled this in a decent manner but he seems to be a genuine asshole (at best). And this is just the most recent one. I'm pretty sure Juventus, Napoli and even Milan are laughing at our management for behaving like this and view it as a sign of weakness while you portray it as some kind of act of seriousness. Nobody will be taking Inter seriously like this and trust me when I say that from Day 1, Marotta and Conte will be jeered by half the Meazza at least. If results don't go our way we will see unprecedented protests against those two and possibly Suning for giving them such a role. Do they care? Doubtful. They are getting paid nonetheless. The damage is only done to Inter and we will need another 5 years to recover...

No one in their right minds is pro Inter in this. You are fooling yourselves thinking that.
Doesn't mean that everyone is saying Icardi is absolutely correct. But it is Inter's job to sort this mess and instead we've created a huge pile of mess out of thin air!

The people you see speaking in favour of the club are:
1) Media. Because:
a) They are paid to stir shit up, otherwise no clicks or paper sales
b) They want to be on the club's good side because they feed them with inside info that they can present as "exclusive news". Without it, nobody cares about what they say.

2) Former players. These guys mostly want:
a) A position in the club.
b) Just to feel relevant and be on the good side of the club.
c) They genuinely do not know and simply follow the media.

3) Fans:
a) Influenced by media
b) Just didn't like Icardi (and Wanda)

4) Various team officials:
a) They politely side with any management just to be diplomatic and avoid any friction.


For fuck's sake stop thinking outside your asses people. What is happening at the club now seems to be an internal destruction.

If SMS, Griezmann and Eriksen aren't waiting for those two to be sold just to be announced alongside Barella then the club is fucked for the next half of a decade. You can stick that "top player Conte" bullshit wherever you see fit until you are accepting the fact that it's complete bullshit.

Watch Milan, Atalanta and even the Romans overcome us this season with the attitude that our management has...


Can you honestly provide a list of "people in the business" and their direct quotes on the whole issue? I don't think you can come up with any...

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

 

[brehme1989]

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

Your post would be funnier if I wasn't replying to someone simply to refute this appeal to authority.. Why aren't you quoting him in the first place?

 

[InterFCAustin]

Icardi being worth 100mil is a pure fantasy of delusional inter fans.

 

[ADRossi]

To be fair to your awful point, this entire thread is filled with logical fallacies. You just happened to be the latest post on the list.

 

[K.I.]

I have worked in this business indirectly, still have lots of contacts in it and have also worked in various other team sports where my job was to create a roster and make it challenge for trophies... Almost any sport you can imagine.

I have not heard a single person say that Inter has been doing the right thing. I also have not heard many people say that Icardi is acting all right either, but no one will really comment on that unless they know the full story. But the management is at complete fault for leaking out whatever they did without explicitly saying that Icardi has lost the captaincy for reasons a b and c. And that Icardi is being sold for reasons a b and c. It is ridiculous to side with the club here based on nothing!

In fact I was really pissed today when I heard the news via Whatsapp by someone who currently is working as an assistant to a PL director of football with a rhetoric question along the lines of: "what the fuck is Inter doing???". I had nothing to say. I also was under the impression that Marotta would have handled this in a decent manner but he seems to be a genuine asshole (at best). And this is just the most recent one. I'm pretty sure Juventus, Napoli and even Milan are laughing at our management for behaving like this and view it as a sign of weakness while you portray it as some kind of act of seriousness. Nobody will be taking Inter seriously like this and trust me when I say that from Day 1, Marotta and Conte will be jeered by half the Meazza at least. If results don't go our way we will see unprecedented protests against those two and possibly Suning for giving them such a role. Do they care? Doubtful. They are getting paid nonetheless. The damage is only done to Inter and we will need another 5 years to recover...

No one in their right minds is pro Inter in this. You are fooling yourselves thinking that.
Doesn't mean that everyone is saying Icardi is absolutely correct. But it is Inter's job to sort this mess and instead we've created a huge pile of mess out of thin air!

The people you see speaking in favour of the club are:
1) Media. Because:
a) They are paid to stir shit up, otherwise no clicks or paper sales
b) They want to be on the club's good side because they feed them with inside info that they can present as "exclusive news". Without it, nobody cares about what they say.

2) Former players. These guys mostly want:
a) A position in the club.
b) Just to feel relevant and be on the good side of the club.
c) They genuinely do not know and simply follow the media.

3) Fans:
a) Influenced by media
b) Just didn't like Icardi (and Wanda)

4) Various team officials:
a) They politely side with any management just to be diplomatic and avoid any friction.


For fuck's sake stop thinking outside your asses people. What is happening at the club now seems to be an internal destruction.

If SMS, Griezmann and Eriksen aren't waiting for those two to be sold just to be announced alongside Barella then the club is fucked for the next half of a decade. You can stick that "top player Conte" bullshit wherever you see fit until you are accepting the fact that it's complete bullshit.

Watch Milan, Atalanta and even the Romans overcome us this season with the attitude that our management has...


Can you honestly provide a list of "people in the business" and their direct quotes on the whole issue? I don't think you can come up with any...

Thats an interesting point regarding the business men, let's talk about this for a second.

Before the stripping Icardi generally in the media had a bad reputation because of his personal issues. Even thoughts his personal life is not anyones business the fact that Wanda is his agent and appears on shows that prob didn't help either. And the perception that he is the bad guy prob didn't help him with some members of the squad and that is hard to shake when u are part of any squad.

All of these things were issues Inter had no influence over, you can talk about the wrong decisions about stripping him midseason or leaking the news to the press or even now Marotta [who is an idiot but still i have to judge him after giving him a season] now publicly saying that he is for sale. It's hard to say how much that affected his price without knowing if there was any interest in him in the first place. I would have told him he is for sale in the summer and did it privately with clubs who were interested and i would have avoided all this and that was a mistake the club made but then he made a bigger one when he sat out after his stripping.

Inter have been terrible doing deals since forever, they spent the most during the 90s and early 20s on average players and sales were usually done through loans, price cuts or terrible swaps. The fact that he may have fetched 100M makes no difference when u go around and then just dump that money on useless wannabe footballers, you would have been better off lighting that amount on fire or giving it to charity. I have come to the conclusion that the club generally dont care about tranfer money and prob hurt Moratti and the club in the long run and forced him to sell but now the club is owned by a group who also doesn't care about money and has a ton of it so i doubt they would care if he is sold for 60 or 100.

You cant say the club is doing bad business now when they have been doing that for the last 30 years, these couple of years the wage bill has went down, salaries went down, new stadium talks are ongoing, more sponsorships have come in and baring Spalletti's stubbornness a scudetto challenged could have been made, even season tickets are sold out. in general people like the direct of the club, and i cant blame them with the business and footballing decisions that have been made here for the last 30 years.

 

[brehme1989]

You cant say the club is doing bad business now when they have been doing that for the last 30 years, these couple of years the wage bill has went down, salaries went down, new stadium talks are ongoing, more sponsorships have come in and baring Spalletti's stubbornness a scudetto challenged could have been made, even season tickets are sold out. in general people like the direct of the club, and i cant blame them with the business and footballing decisions that have been made here for the last 30 years.

Salaries are down only because quality is down. Or vice versa, quality is down because we are paying shit salaries.

Revenues in 2009-10 for example were lower to today's figures and we consider this market to be inflated. It was around 220m back then and it's still less than 300m under Suning, though we are about to exceed that.

Salary costs in 2009-10 were higher (~140m compared to ~110m this year, with the same tax brackets iirc at 43% maximum + I'm not sure if the rest of the charges included are at the same level nowadays). That is the gross amount either way. We also had reduced revenues post-Tripleta season compared to the 2009-10 season. Maybe the Mourinho leaving effect, maybe Moratti didn't want to pump any money into the club, maybe lots of things + tv revenues had decreased a bit. And this is where people whine about Moratti and they're right. He gave more money to the players and didn't seek to arrange better commercial deals etc. [got some data on the commercial deals but I was looking at a different colour, don't blame me, it's 3:30am here . So here's the correct one, we have more than x3 commercial income as we had in the 2009 season.]

We are definitely handling finances better now, but we are a football club and our job is to field the best team possible. What is mostly killing our quality today is the FFP with their amortization costs. But that's something every club has to face, or at least almost every club.

 

[K.I.]

Salaries are down only because quality is down. Or vice versa, quality is down because we are paying shit salaries.

Revenues in 2009-10 for example were lower to today's figures and we consider this market to be inflated. It was around 220m back then and it's still less than 300m under Suning, though we are about to exceed that.

Salary costs in 2009-10 were higher (~140m compared to ~110m this year, with the same tax brackets iirc at 43% maximum + I'm not sure if the rest of the charges included are at the same level nowadays). That is the gross amount either way. We also had reduced revenues post-Tripleta season compared to the 2009-10 season. Maybe the Mourinho leaving effect, maybe Moratti didn't want to pump any money into the club, maybe lots of things + tv revenues had decreased a bit. And this is where people whine about Moratti and they're right. He gave more money to the players and didn't seek to arrange better commercial deals etc. [got some data on the commercial deals but I was looking at a different colour, don't blame me, it's 3:30am here . So here's the correct one, we have more than x3 commercial income as we had in the 2009 season.]

We are definitely handling finances better now, but we are a football club and our job is to field the best team possible. What is mostly killing our quality today is the FFP with their amortization costs. But that's something every club has to face, or at least almost every club.

Yup revenues are better, thats also a positive i forgot to mention. Even without FFP issues 90M was spent on Mario, Dalbert & Gabigol. I understand people saying that because prices are inflated with defenders going for 60M now that someone like Icardi should go for at least 100, but reality is a different thing, he is a 100M striker that teams prob dont want because if they did his release clause would have been triggered last summer

 

[brehme1989]

Yup revenues are better, thats also a positive i forgot to mention. Even without FFP issues 90M was spent on Mario, Dalbert & Gabigol. I understand people saying that because prices are inflated with defenders going for 60M now that someone like Icardi should go for at least 100, but reality is a different thing, he is a 100M striker that teams prob dont want because if they did his release clause would have been triggered last summer

Real Madrid would have triggered it if Zidane hadn't resigned the first time. They were pushing hard for him but he didn't want to leave. Granted that this may have been because Cristiano was also there or for whatever other reason one wants to think of, but the fact remains that Icardi declared himself as an untouchable at Inter. He wanted to stay, full stop. If they did activate the clause he may have pushed for a better contract (something that was promised to him since 2 years ago but the club never really followed on its word here, yet we always are reminded that Icardi whines about contract renewals) and we don't know if the club would finally agree to give him the salary he deserved or if they said no and he'd move to Real.

But if he's going to reject Real Madrid you understand that the number of teams he could possibly agree to move to is reduced to zero, as Barcelona won't make a move and no other club in the world comes anywhere near.

Wanda has been rather vocal about Icardi staying at Inter, so one would really pursue him. She claims that she rejected three clubs this summer, whether she's telling the truth for something like this remains to be proven.

 

[K.I.]

Real Madrid would have triggered it if Zidane hadn't resigned the first time. They were pushing hard for him but he didn't want to leave. Granted that this may have been because Cristiano was also there or for whatever other reason one wants to think of, but the fact remains that Icardi declared himself as an untouchable at Inter. He wanted to stay, full stop. If they did activate the clause he may have pushed for a better contract (something that was promised to him since 2 years ago but the club never really followed on its word here, yet we always are reminded that Icardi whines about contract renewals) and we don't know if the club would finally agree to give him the salary he deserved or if they said no and he'd move to Real.

But if he's going to reject Real Madrid you understand that the number of teams he could possibly agree to move to is reduced to zero, as Barcelona won't make a move and no other club in the world comes anywhere near.

Wanda has been rather vocal about Icardi staying at Inter, so one would really pursue him. She claims that she rejected three clubs this summer, whether she's telling the truth for something like this remains to be proven.

Zidane has been a fan of Benzema since forever, i doubt he wanted Icardi, Perez may have floated that idea but it was all speculation regardless.

Regarding to her statements again who knows, it's evident know that neither the club or coach want him so either he can stay, prob be on the bench and try and work his way through that or try and arrange a move now.

 

[Johnny Ludlow]

Blaming Inter and especially Marotta for Icardi's situation is absolutely incomprehensible. For once we show that no one is bigger that the team and still fans are complaining. About Nainggolan, there is no active noninduced interest in him. In this situation it's normal that a team makes in known that a player is available. When Marotta said it publicly, I assume that everyone who matters already knew that he is for sale.

150m-200m players here and there are telling that they want out even when there is no public falling out. This seems like a real problem to me. And we are talking about Icardi's situation and this very normal Nainggolan case as unique catastrophes that are exclusively Inter's fault.

 

[Inter7]

So Conte just said it wasn't his decision and the decision was made before he got to the club, but here is my issue to the people saying we want to build a culture why is it that 9G and Icardi are out but Perisic is staying he's also someone who caused locker room disruptions last season. Seems like some bull shit excuse oh we are building a locker room culture then signs cancers like Dzeko.

 

[yoszee]

Thanks, i learned lots of new english words from this thread.

 

[JJM]

Sky - Napoli offered 7.5 million(10.5mil with bonuses) to Icardi and 60-65 million to Inter. Wanda opened up to that possibility

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[Dylan]

Better than 25 + Mandzukic at the end of September.