Lucas Rodrigues Moura da Silva

[lonewolf19]

quaresma?

(18.6 mil + Pele)... and how much u think Pele is worth?

 

[Ed.]

8 minutes in 2 games in Olympics. It seems Olympics won't do anything but reduce his price.

 

[.h.]

(18.6 mil + Pele)... and how much u think Pele is worth?

iirc pele was rated as a 6m euro transfer in that one

 

[A.l.i]

Lets spend the cash being mentioned alongside Lucas's name instead on a Midfielder, winger, vice Milito.

 

[Sokrates]

I think he needs HIS own thread.

"President of St. Paolo gives the OK for transfer of Lucas to Inter"

http://translate.googleusercontent....=37851&usg=ALkJrhgIrIrHptw8Fi4ksR_FssPukT8hVg


Also,

Branca met with his agent on Monday.


And a lot more from different sources which I don't have the time to go and look for.

10.11.2011


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[MANTA]

(18.6 mil + Pele)... and how much u think Pele is worth?

6m

RQ was 24m in the books.

 

[Devious]

Back in the day, we used to get super legendary stars who are already shining in Europe and their names are like the gods of greek for less than 30mil. well that`s not the case here anyway. Nowadays things has changed dramatically, we are buying almost a nobody - relatively speaking - who never ever had any experience in the European continent, not to mention in the hardest league in Europe, and for freaking 30mil!? and it happens that it is in the same time we are wiping out our over-paid players, who some of them do not deserve to be treated this way, only because we are supposedly out of freaking cash ?

For the first time in many decades, Im a little, just a little bit lost here. I believed that there is some plan, but after hearing that we are trying to pay a fortune to get nobody (Quaresma and Muntari are youtube superstars as well, youtube is for fools like branca to presume based on it that he`s superstar that deserve this much cash).. Im just a little fucking lost tbh.

Lucas for me is a good player, but we are playing with the dice here and the risk is huge, he could pretty much flop in Italy. and by keeping our feet on ground, there is absolutely no god damn one realistic rational reason for us to pull all that cash to get him assuming that he`ll 100%, hell, even 60%, even 30% succeed in Europe, oh not to mention freakin Italy.

This is so stupid. but in any case I wish Im wrong and he could prove to be worth all that money. otherwise. this is just stupid.

 

[Pimpin]

Lucas can be the next big thing, so thats why we are ready to invest massively.

 

[Devious]

Sure about that?

 

[ghostnik11]

8 minutes in 2 games in Olympics. It seems Olympics won't do anything but reduce his price.

So do u guys still think we should go for him and we haven't seen what he can do on an international level. Must be a reason why they haven't played him much.

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[Ed.]

So do u guys still think we should go for him and we haven't seen what he can do on an international level. Must be a reason why they haven't played him much.

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I think we should when Lucas and Sao Paolo wake up to realise that his price isn't 30 but 15.

 

[ghostnik11]

I think we should when Lucas and Sao Paolo wake up to realise that his price isn't 30 but 15.

Well it doesn't seem like Säo Paulo will wake up. He has only had 8 minutes on pitch, shows something must be up with him and Brazil and Säo Paulo is hiding that fact. Maybe he has an injury that hasn't been reported. But I hope Moratti and Branca take notice he hasn't been playing in olympics to see if he can perform at another level against players that are outside brazil.

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[Minardista]

Lucas can be the next big thing, so thats why we are ready to invest massively.

Any fucking player can be the next big thing. Some are even late developers, like Klose, nobody knew who the fuck he was until he was 24 years old, and now he's one of Germany's best forwards. Or what about Ian Wright, he was turned down constantly by clubs as a teenager, he spent years in non-league football, and only at 22 he was able to get a pro contract with Crystal Palace. And then went on to score 239 times in 501 matches.

Conversely, look at players like Fábio Rochemback. Another Brazilian who was massively hyped up when at Internacional. They paid 10M for him at the time, and remember this was before the time when any old idiot could be sold for 10-20M. He was a massive fucking flop at Barcelona. His tackling was erratic and he got booked more often than a crackhead in a police station. He did alright at Middlesborough, but that's all, just okay. A potential superstar who turned out to be nothing.

That's just one example. There are probably countless others out there I don't know so well, because many crap players will have probably been hyped up at some point, and its just that no-one remembers that hype anymore. They only see them as a crap worthless piece of trash.

When there are better value options out there, in a time when we apparently have to enforce austerity in this team, Lucas is a retarded purchase. The money could be spent SO MUCH BETTER yet apparently we're willing to gamble 30M. Because that's what this is, it is a gamble, there are zero guarantees he will turn out to be any good. For example, Borini cost Liverpool half of that. And we already KNOW he's a young player who can do well in Serie A, we saw it ourselves last season, he was great for Roma. Or how about Lorenzo Insigne...sure, he was in Serie B last season, and was outscored by the (older and more experienced) Immobile, but not by much, he had Zeman to teach him the ropes and is already integrated into the Italian way of football. He would come here knowing what to expect. And that always helps.

There are talented young players who cost less and have less risk. Let's even throw cost out of the equation for a moment - Lucas vs Jovetic. They would cost the same, and given their respective ages both are a gamble at such a high price, but here's the difference; Jovetic is like going to a Casino and putting everything on black, while Lucas is putting a straight bet on 0. There is potential for huge reward, but an overbearing likelihood you will lose everything.

 

[Bzzlightyear]

All the attackers that do play instead of Lucas are better, and i am happy that the coach isnt using him and does use other players instead of him, its good as his prize will fall and that is good if we gonna buy him at all, as well in next few weeks we will know what happens, If they dont sell Lucas this season, they will lose a lot of money, as we know there are many threat against Lucas, there re many young talented players right now that are as good as lucas is, and if they dont sell him right now, they could lose him for good ( cash ). I guess Juvenal and his agent played his card to soon, as they though he gonna crack fire at Olympics, but as it seams like he havnt even played full 90 minutes and that cost a lot ( the hype they are trying to created )

 

[wicked wizard]

at the moment its looking like lucas or noone. i would rather spend big on him rather than buy nobody, i think we can all agree on that

 

[ADRossi]

at the moment its looking like lucas or noone. i would rather spend big on him rather than buy nobody, i think we can all agree on that

Not if it means we have no money to spend in the Jan transfer window, or next summer's. Making a purchase just for the sake of it is asinine.

 

[MANTA]

Predictions are just that, predictions. He could be the next superstar or he could be another Quaresma. No one in the world can guarantee what outcome will occur in Lucas' case. But that is why you have scouts and coaches who look at young players and can get a pretty good read on whether they will succeed or not. They won't get it right 100% of the time, but I would be willing to bet they would be correct more than the average joe on the internet.

So when Strama, Ferguson and others show interest in this player then it would seem they believe he can be a star in Europe. How much you would be willing to pay for his services depends on their evaluation of the player and their risk tolerance level. So two people might end up with the same evaluation, but one would be willing to pay more for him because they are less risk averse. Keep in mind that there is no "correct" risk aversion level. Just because someone else will take a risk with a player that you wouldn't doesn't make them "wrong". It is just likely that the risky person will end up with more flops and also find more future stars than someone who takes less risks. Whether this is good or bad is purely subjective.

Yes, 30 m is a lot of money. But the truth is we have to spend. Our net transfer spending in the last 4 years comes out to around -10m. Compare that to Juventus who in the same period have had a net transfer spend of around 180m. This brings us to the sad truth about modern football. In order to win titles you have to spend money. Yes, some will point to clubs like Udinese who can compete while being economical, but Udinese are not a title contender. There has been no evidence so far that the economical approach can get you any more than a CL spot, just ask Arsenal fans.

Lucas might not be everyone's cup of tea, but from what little I have seen from the guy I can understand why Strama would want him. His skillsets seem perfect for Strama's style of play. If we don't get him then we will probably go for someone like Gomez, but I don't see anything wrong with trying to get a young up and coming player with the potential to be a superstar.

 

[lonewolf19]

iirc pele was rated as a 6m euro transfer in that one

and you believe that figure??? or you think its just a mark up on the book.
Pele was sold to random Turkey club for 0.68 mil FYI.
It is the cash that count how much we are willing to splash on the player.

 

[monster09]

Well it doesn't seem like Säo Paulo will wake up. He has only had 8 minutes on pitch, shows something must be up with him and Brazil and Säo Paulo is hiding that fact. Maybe he has an injury that hasn't been reported. But I hope Moratti and Branca take notice he hasn't been playing in olympics to see if he can perform at another level against players that are outside brazil.

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They are hiding nothing, just that Brazil have better players than Lucas for RW spot and also for #10 spot.

 

[b4h4mooth]

quaresma is quaresma , nobody is in this world that have crazy skill like him but then floop miserably in a big team. Its call self confidence.