Joao Cancelo

[Ed.]

Doubt it. They have rich owners now and they will invest, also Mendes will help them out with players.

I guess time will tell.

 

[Palatiga]

Damn this is direct challenge from FOSUN to SUNING,
Your move zhang!

 

[chipschups]

Thats harsh reality, Inter get beaten by Newly promoted EPL teams.

 

[Matawil]

alot of us are bashing Auslio for his retarded moves especially with Valencia
Ausilio : Hey you little bastards I got you good player for FULL YEAR for FREE who actually hepled us get to UCL now where is my end year raise

 

[BabyPhat]

So Valencia are the winners in this deal at the end. Got kondogbia and murillo for peanuts and got back their player more mature and with more market appealing. The person who was behind this deal must be sanctioned from any other negotiations.

In retrospect, they got a good deal on K-Dog but not really on Murillo, who spent half his time injured, and hasn't really set the world on fire in Valencia when he has played. Even on K dog, the guy just lost it at Inter, and he personally did not want to stay. If a player does not want to stay, he will not stay. Could we have gotten a better deal for him? probably not, not a single club came forward to sign him aside from Valencia, so that says something too.

 

[IAmNotDam]

The bolded part is again arguable. Serie A has its own strength. Swansea, West Brom and Stoke are crap teams. They are on Crotone levels. Atalanta or Sampdoria would destroy them. Atalanta won 3-0 and 5-1 against Everton in EL this season.

You must be joking for claiming Swansea will go to Europe in Bundesliga competing with Leverkusen, RB Leipzig, Dortmund, Schalke.

How can representation for World Cup be relevant? 23 of England players play in EPL. That is already biased. Oh and they were rock bottom in the group in 2014. LOL

Almost all of former players claim England is the toughest league? Who do you mean by most?

The ambition of Cancelo with Inter is to play in Europe stage and competing in top 4 in Serie A vs with Wolves to fight as EPL midtable club? That's like saying I've a chance to drive a lamborghini but I prefer to drive a Dacia instead.

In the last 30 years, Wolves' best achievement is 15th place in EPL and they have only played 4 seasons in EPL.

Can't think of any players who have made such a move. a 24 years old with a high ceiling potential prefers to play with Wolverhampton so he can play in EPL?

Even Shaqiri and Joao Mario were reluctant to go Stoke and West Ham initially. Ranocchia had a hard time to accept Hull. Alvarez didn't want Sunderland.

Unfortunately we live in a time when money prevails over club history and/or prestige. And for that reason, I can completely see what Cancelo (or at least his agent) would push for a move to the Premier League. When you're talking from a business/money perspective, it is a HUGE improvement to be going from Serie A money to Premier League money. Just to put it in to perspective, in the 2015/16 season, Inter got €94m from TV rights. West Brom got €110m in TV rights this year, yet they finished last place. The season Sunderland were relegated, they had a higher wage budget than Atletico Madrid, who were in the Champion's League final.

I'm not going to argue over hypotheticals like where Swansea would finish in any other league, or whether the Premier League has the highest average standard throughout all of the teams in the league in comparison with the other top leagues in Europe.

But throughout history, there have been large amounts of players who have moved to teams in England at a similar or lower level than their current team. I think Man City's signings from 2008-2012 are a brilliant example. Aguero went from winning the Europa League to a team whose only real achievement in the previous 40 years was an FA Cup. Toby Alderweireld literally went from playing in the Champion's League final with Atletico Madrid to Southampton in the space of a few months. Our very own, Julio Cesar chased a paycheque when he went to QPR - granted, he wasn't 24. Off the top of my head, I can think of other players like Bojan from Barca to Stoke, Fabrizio Ravanelli from Juve to Middlesborough, Edwin Van Der Sar from Juve to Fulham, Robinho from Real Madrid to Man City.

I'm sure there are plenty more, but all of this is completely besides the topic at hand, and at this point, not even worth delving further in to. At the end of the day, Inter have potentially lost out on another great player because of poor decision making. I don't see the point in celebrating bringing in new players like Lautaro Martinez and de Vrij, when we're also losing equally as good players [who have already settled into our style of play]. I guess best case scenario, for us, is that he goes to Wolves and has a horrible August - December and we're able to buy him back for €10-20m in January.

 

[thatdude]

Doubt it. They have rich owners now and they will invest, also Mendes will help them out with players.

This sounds exactly like Valencia 4 or 5 years ago. New rich Asian owners, partnership with Mendes. The results were catastrophic. I wouldn’t be so sure Wolves will perform that well. Whenever agents are involved in a clubs transfer dealings flops are sure to follow (see Inter 2016).

 

[Universe]

I'm not so much saying your point is wrong, but I feel like a lot of your examples are misused.

Actually I don't really even know what you're referring to with regards to money. Are you talking about player salaries? You mention TV income differences between Serie A and EPL for example but I don't think Cancelo gives a fuck about TV income. He cares about his weekly wage. Sure, TV income for each club affects their wage budget and all but I doubt Wolves are gonna blow us out of the water with some gargantuan wage for Cancelo.

 

[thatdude]

But throughout history, there have been large amounts of players who have moved to teams in England at a similar or lower level than their current team. I think Man City's signings from 2008-2012 are a brilliant example. Aguero went from winning the Europa League to a team whose only real achievement in the previous 40 years was an FA Cup. Toby Alderweireld literally went from playing in the Champion's League final with Atletico Madrid to Southampton in the space of a few months. Our very own, Julio Cesar chased a paycheque when he went to QPR - granted, he wasn't 24. Off the top of my head, I can think of other players like Bojan from Barca to Stoke, Fabrizio Ravanelli from Juve to Middlesborough, Edwin Van Der Sar from Juve to Fulham, Robinho from Real Madrid to Man City..

Dude, with the exception of Aguero who was going to a club that already had Tevez, Silva, Toure, Dzeko, etc. all of those other players were not wanted by the clubs that sold them. You’ve literally just named examples of sides dumping players off to mid table EPL teams.

 

[monster09]

This sounds exactly like Valencia 4 or 5 years ago. New rich Asian owners, partnership with Mendes. The results were catastrophic. I wouldn’t be so sure Wolves will perform that well. Whenever agents are involved in a clubs transfer dealings flops are sure to follow (see Inter 2016).

They made mess with managerial appointments isn't it? Also they kept on losing their best players every year and some day club will pay the price.

I don't know how serious these owners are, but Wolves fans are convinced and it's hard for them not to be convinced. They have already spent 36 million pounds signing new players making few loan players permanent. If they spend 40 million for Cancelo then the intentions are clear.

I agree with your point, that flops will follow but the I guess the model they want to follow is provide the platform for young players and sell them for big profit. There will be lot of highs and lows. Also i'm just guessing about the model, for all we know, these owners are serious about making Wolves into big club and start investing heavily.

 

[Puma]

In retrospect, they got a good deal on K-Dog but not really on Murillo, who spent half his time injured, and hasn't really set the world on fire in Valencia when he has played. Even on K dog, the guy just lost it at Inter, and he personally did not want to stay. If a player does not want to stay, he will not stay. Could we have gotten a better deal for him? probably not, not a single club came forward to sign him aside from Valencia, so that says something too.

I think babyPhat raised a good point. We had no choice other than to move Kondogbia on to which ever club would take him. As for Murillo, when you compare him to Skriniar and how solid the latter was during his first season, all I have to ask is why did we put up with Murillo and his inconsistency for so long?

In the cases of both players, Ausilio did well to get them off our books. The problem for Inter is that when players want away (Kondogbia) or someone is so inconsistent (Murillo) it is hard to get a good price for them. I am glad they are gone and I think it says a lot about Kondogbia when he readily admitted that he takes a different approach in Valencia in comparison to when he was playing in Milan for Inter. Reading between the lines, his heart was not in it and he did not want to play for us. Inter is not a club for spineless weak willed cunts. If you can't take the pressure of the fans and live in the environment that surrounds the club then go elsewhere.

Mario is going to go the same way. I read this morning that Inter may fine him for his comments. I only hope that we wait until after the World Cup to offload his arse and get the best possible price. However, if FFP is also consideration and we need a sale by the end of the month then we should sacrifice his arse and get ready to move on.

 

[Bluenine]

I remember during the golden days of Serie A in the 90s, even smaller clubs like Bari would have Brazilian and England International stars playing for them. The league was so dominant that top players wanted to be a part of this competition, and even small Italian clubs had the attractiveness and money to compete with European big clubs.

EPL is slowly reaching that kind of stardom. Its not reached that peak yet that we was Serie A achieve, but its almost getting there with their new TV deal which sadly makes even the bottom EPL side earn the kind of TV revenues that top European clubs make. If an English "small" club shows ambition, a lot of International stars will be interested because they have seen the City and Chelsea revolutions.

I still have hope that Cancelo waits for us before deciding.

 

[brehme1989]

Completely different now. Back then you had to choose like 3 and later 5 foreigners for your team. Now you can't find 3 domestic players in most teams.
If the foreigners rule was still in place I trust that Serie A would also have very good players at bottom teams.

 

[YoramG]

Wolves are a very ambitious club these days, also owned by the Chinese. Their owners are as legit and rich as ours, and they have enlisted Jorge Mendes to help them out, basically also investing into Mendes' agency. As a result they got a lot of quality players on loan/deals while playing in the Championship. And now this is their big opportunity to spend a bucketload. Believe it or not, they are targeting top players to make a push for European qualification. They have already spent 40m buying 3 players they had on loan. They are like Diet-ManCity, and they will try to attract quality players by big money and showing them a big project.

Even if Cancelo turns them down, this unfortunately sets the benchmark for Cancelo's fee at €40m if we want him.

Goddammit don't give me reasonable arguments Bluenine, just let me stew in my anger. blivious:

Of course there are valid reasons to move to Wolves for Cancelo (wages, EPL is more prestigious, possible move to a bigger team, etc.), but I still think it shows a lack of ambition and a total dependence on his agent. Just seems like a shame when the fans love him here, he's settled in and he's gained the coach's trust.

Also, question. Why can their Chinese owners spend, but not ours? Are our hands tied by FFP that much?

 

[chipschups]

When you can choose to play in Champion league (either with Inter or Valencia) and then choose to play for wolves its clear the problem is in the player. Is not like he didnt have any word and become total bitch to hos agent.

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When you can choose to play in Champion league (either with Inter or Valencia) and then choose to play for wolves its clear the problem is in the player. Is not like he didnt have any word and become total bitch to hos agent.

 

[Black Knight]

Maybe Cancelo knows how we treated Rolando like shit. We haggled over the price, gave up, and he ended up eating bench at Porto.

Not saying that's what we'll do here, but you have to acknowledge the possibility that if he waits for us to come in for him in July, it might not work out, and his other suitors will have moved on to other targets.

 

[ElDiego22]

We shouldn't be blaming Cancelo. He didn't ask to move to a promoted EPL club. He probably had Inter in his heart but his agent pressured him into accepting the deal and when said agent is Jorge Mendes we already lost before the battle even started.

Mendes is practically de facto owners at both Valencia and Wolves so the deal is pretty much conformed. Cancelo wanted Champions League with us but he's left with no choice if a club even like Wolves comes up with a bigger offer.

 

[rsz85]

We shouldn't be blaming Cancelo. He didn't ask to move to a promoted EPL club. He probably had Inter in his heart but his agent pressured him into accepting the deal and when said agent is Jorge Mendes we already lost before the battle even started.

Mendes is practically de facto owners at both Valencia and Wolves so the deal is pretty much conformed. Cancelo wanted Champions League with us but he's left with no choice if a club even like Wolves comes up with a bigger offer.

complete BS. if Cancelo doesnt want to go to this clown club, than he won't. Even Mendes can fuck himself, but not going there. If he wants Inter, and Inter will make a move for him in July, than it will be Inter.

I would immediately fire my agent if he would force me such a shit move just because he wants the enormous transfer commision (twice). Cancelo will looose lots of reputation with Wolves vs Inter, compared to the agency loss (any agent vs. Mendes).

 

[ElDiego22]

complete BS. if Cancelo doesnt want to go to this clown club, than he won't. Even Mendes can fuck himself, but not going there. If he wants Inter, and Inter will make a move for him in July, than it will be Inter.

I would immediately fire my agent if he would force me such a shit move just because he wants the enormous transfer commision (twice). Cancelo will looose lots of reputation with Wolves vs Inter, compared to the agency loss (any agent vs. Mendes).

His intention wasn't Wolves, I mean why a Portugal international and one of the most coveted RB in the world want a move to a promoted EPL club over a Champions League. The only possible way is the Mendes link otherwise he remain an Inter player next season.

And as for firing Mendes, you have no idea how much influences Mendes has over Portuguese football.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/22/-sp-jorge-mendes-agent-third-party-ownership-players

 

[chipschups]

Here is two approach if he really want to play for inter, a soft way like Rafinha did how he keep hinting he wants to stay while wishing the negotiation going well between us and barca. Two a hard way like Joao Mario did saying he didnt want comeback since valencia and La Liga is a shithole and he only want play for inter. Stop saying BS he loves inter but cant do anything, he isnt 5 year old ffs.