Inter's Financial Situation

[qb4ever_2k]

Can you really say Milan produce these players when all of them made the name for themselves elsewher after they’ve left milan?

We do have some talents from the Primavera though e.g. Dimarco, Esposito, Vanheusden and hopefully we can count Satriano in soon.

 

[.h.]

I think its too early to speculate on those players.

But the point is that Milan do have good players, albeit many leave to go elsewhere to breakthrough. Our guys don't even really breakthrough.

 

[andrei]

Can you really say Milan produce these players when all of them made the name for themselves elsewher after they’ve left milan?

We do have some talents from the Primavera though e.g. Dimarco, Esposito, Vanheusden and hopefully we can count Satriano in soon.

Here lies one of the problems. Maybe we don't know how to scout the talented kids.
Yes these players left the Milan and became good players, but none of players who left Inter in the last 10 years became good (Biraghi would be the exception).

I remember what Mou said regarding Modric after his first year at Real, when he was a dissapointment. Even if you have a bad period, but if you have talent and are serious, good things could happen. But if you don't have talent, nothing good will happen, even if you are working hard, because you just don't have talent.

I just believe that something is fundamentally wrong in our youth system.

 

[bandiera]

Well you have to see when those players arrived at Milan to determine what has been the role of their youth system overall; i.e. did they buy them when they were 16 or did they entirely grow up at Milan?

My general impression has always been that most of our "successful" products have been scouted after the age of 16. I remember reading years ago that there had been changes in our youth system to produce more homegrown talent, but I'm not sure what has happened since then.

Milan's products seem to have higher quality but at the same time, it's no small feat for any youth system to have a long list of players in Serie A, even if some may be squad players. Santon, Destro, Bonucci, Balotelli, Biraghi, Faraoni, Zaniolo, Bonazzoli, Pinamonti, Zinho, Radu, Benassi, Duncan, Mbaye, Bessa is all I can think of off the top of my head but there aren't many other clubs in the country ith a longer list of youth products playing at the top level.

On the topic of scouting, I can't remember his name but the guy responsible for our youth scouting was one of the most respected scouts in European football. From what I remember reading he almost signed Fabregas, Pogba, and Alaba for us. But last I checked he was very old and in poor health (also, if I'm not mistaken, after we signed him as a scout in the late 90s from some amateur team in Milan, he brought Ausilio along with him).

Also, we're often competing from the same talent pool as Milan. Donnarumma was about to sign for Inter before signing for Milan.

Not to say that our youth system is perfect by any means; I remember watching Strama's team park the bus which is hardly the most optimized system for any raw talent with good technical ability to develop. Maybe there's also the question of whether Milan has simply done a better job handling their young players; many of their products that have been listed were given a lot of opportunities in the first team at the tail end of Berlusconi's ownership.

 

[WLEXT]

On the topic of scouting, I can't remember his name but the guy responsible for our youth scouting was one of the most respected scouts in European football. From what I remember reading he almost signed Fabregas, Pogba, and Alaba for us. But last I checked he was very old and in poor health (also, if I'm not mistaken, after we signed him as a scout in the late 90s from some amateur team in Milan, he brought Ausilio along with him).

Pierluigi Casiraghi, passed away about couple of years ago.

Inter, addio Casiraghi: lo scopritore di talenti

Leggi su Sky Sport l'articolo Inter, è morto Pierluigi Casiraghi, storico osservatore nerazzurro. Scoprì Balotelli

sport.sky.it

 

[.h.]

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/pb8i5w

Busquets, after Pique, has just accepted a 25% salary CUT and 60% salary deferral, to help Barca out.

Our players can go fuck themselves.

 

[brehme1989]

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/pb8i5w

Busquets, after Pique, has just accepted a 25% salary CUT and 60% salary deferral, to help Barca out.

Our players can go fuck themselves.

Lol.

Busquets and Pique are Barcelona fans first of all.

Second, it's happening because they have to limit their spending to register players, otherwise they'll have to be transferred out themselves. With a bigger salary reduction possibly...

 

[.h.]

and if they had to be transferred out, they could still hold barca to their salaries - golden handshake like we have to do at Inter.

I havent kept full trck, but afaik, many big clubs outside of the UK & Germany have done deferrals/cuts. Juve saved 100m last season on (i think) deferrals (not clear if they are cuts). Roma saved a load of money too. Barca and Real are adding clauses to deferral payments for 2-3 years.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Yeah Busquets and Pique are like the worst examples. What about De Jong, Ter Stegen, Griezmann, Coutinho, Pjanic, have they cut their salaries?

Our salaries were deferred throughout the season.

browha your agenda over this salary cutting is really hilarious.

 

[.h.]

salaries were paid within the agreed schedules, when I say deferrals I'm talking about 'out of normal' deferrals to be clear

And, no, I dont think any of them have cut salaries. I wouldnt expect many of them to - De Jong yes, but the rest, why would they? They hate barca and want to leave

 

[Adriano@10]

and if they had to be transferred out, they could still hold barca to their salaries - golden handshake like we have to do at Inter.

I havent kept full trck, but afaik, many big clubs outside of the UK & Germany have done deferrals/cuts. Juve saved 100m last season on (i think) deferrals (not clear if they are cuts). Roma saved a load of money too. Barca and Real are adding clauses to deferral payments for 2-3 years.

What is so special about deferrals? Also we did that too or were all the reports of us owing 3 months of salary just pure BS? As far as i know jube still has to pay those salaries just like we do/did. So whats the point? Are we even sure we have paid our players in full for the last season yet? Again unless the players take a pay cut along with the deferral your just kicking the can down the road. Only true difference between us and other big clubs is that with us the italian media has been fucking with us over this for quite some time and so have presidents of other clubs. Nobody complained that jube did not pay their players in full but god forbid inter does it.....

 

[.h.]

AIUI there's a legally agreed 'worst case' payment schedule for salaries in the league, and I think something like within 3 months of the accrual date is allowed anyway. The deferrals are more like.. defer 60% of this year's salary for 3 seasons. Those are the ones that need to be agreed.

AFAIK there's a deadline by like Aug or Sept (I dont remember) when you have to have paid all liabilities from the previous season. This is of course a technical deferral (e.g. you pay your liabilities some time after your liability has incurred), but th deferrals I refer to are, for example, deferring 60% of salary for 3 years which is what Barca/Juve/Real/etc players are doing. Maybe not to the same volume, but like last year in Juve they deferred a quarter's salary saving nearly 100m - not clear if it was a cut, long term deferral, or short term deferral.


And,y es, I agree, deferrals are kicking the can down the road. but the point still remains - many players at other clubs are taking cuts and deferrals. Ours arent.

 

[Adriano@10]

AIUI there's a legally agreed 'worst case' payment schedule for salaries in the league, and I think something like within 3 months of the accrual date is allowed anyway. The deferrals are more like.. defer 60% of this year's salary for 3 seasons. Those are the ones that need to be agreed.

AFAIK there's a deadline by like Aug or Sept (I dont remember) when you have to have paid all liabilities from the previous season. This is of course a technical deferral (e.g. you pay your liabilities some time after your liability has incurred), but th deferrals I refer to are, for example, deferring 60% of salary for 3 years which is what Barca/Juve/Real/etc players are doing. Maybe not to the same volume, but like last year in Juve they deferred a quarter's salary saving nearly 100m - not clear if it was a cut, long term deferral, or short term deferral.


And,y es, I agree, deferrals are kicking the can down the road. but the point still remains - many players at other clubs are taking cuts and deferrals. Ours arent.

How many are actualy taking pay cuts other than the two you mentioned?
Also did we even try to get them to defer salaries? Would this have helped our situation in the mid term or made it even worse? US having to pay 60% of this years salary over the next 3 years would just have made us reaching a breakeven even harder than it already is. With it being clear that the chinese dont want to or cant inject us with money i m not sure this would have been a better solution than make a big cut now.

Also who are the players that could have realistically done this for us and we would be better off? All our top preformers are rather on the low end then what they could earn else where. So especially pay cuts would have been hard for us to push through.

I dont disagree with your point but our team is not full of cambis and JZ s who have been here for years are loyal and are on a relatively high salary.
Like is it realistic for brozo, barella, lauti, skriniar, SDV, bastoni to take pay cuts when they would deserve a raise and would make a lot more if they left us?

 

[.h.]

Players or clubs? just so I'm clear?

If you go off the press, we tried and it was flat out refused. I think the point about deferrals is to also help from a cashflow perspective, while stadia arent open. But, the salary cuts would have been the more important thing.

For me, anyone who wants to be a part of Inter long term should have looked at it. I can see why JM, Nainggolan, etc, wouldnt take it, but the guys like Barella, Lautaro, etc could do. Dont get me wrong, its independent of contract renegotiations, and I'd expect many of them to get raises in the negotiations, but at the same time, everyone re-baselining by -20% wouldd have made a big BIG difference to this team TBH.

It's also partly recognition that, for the most part, the market as a whole is different than it was 2 years ago. Ageuro apparently makes 6m a season (gross by the claims of the media) at Barca. With the wage cuts, Sergio Roberto, Pique, etc, will be making less than Lukaku/Hakimi/Eriksen/etc were, too.

 

[Adriano@10]

Players or clubs? just so I'm clear?

If you go off the press, we tried and it was flat out refused. I think the point about deferrals is to also help from a cashflow perspective, while stadia arent open. But, the salary cuts would have been the more important thing.

For me, anyone who wants to be a part of Inter long term should have looked at it. I can see why JM, Nainggolan, etc, wouldnt take it, but the guys like Barella, Lautaro, etc could do. Dont get me wrong, its independent of contract renegotiations, and I'd expect many of them to get raises in the negotiations, but at the same time, everyone re-baselining by -20% wouldd have made a big BIG difference to this team TBH.

It's also partly recognition that, for the most part, the market as a whole is different than it was 2 years ago. Ageuro apparently makes 6m a season (gross by the claims of the media) at Barca. With the wage cuts, Sergio Roberto, Pique, etc, will be making less than Lukaku/Hakimi/Eriksen/etc were, too.

Players..
In the barca example messi could have easily taken a pay cut and stayed he did not despite being a barca legend and despite claims of him loving barca...
Also it s reports from the italian media again while they we re shitting on us not paying they did not even mention jube does the same so i would not take it as a fact.

Ofcourse your right on it being more of a CF issue....
But lets not forget that we arguably had a too high wage bill even before covid hit...
On that 20% discount or reduction of pay dont you think that barella lautro and our 3 starting cbs are on salaries that are 20% or more below then what they d get else where? If so whats the difference in asking them to postpone the extention vs taking a 20% pay cut on their eventual extension or just giving them a lower contract when the extention comes around? Also for how long would players be willing to play for a 20% discount?
On the other hand how much good would it have done us if the likes of dambro and other backups took pay cuts?
Aguero really wanted barca and i dont think he had any offers from europe that were substantially higher (again ruors might not be true).

Imho if we could get our salary budget in order through the moves we made this season we re better of than if we would have gotten our players to tae a pay cut simply cause it would mean we could move forward and probably not be to worried about our budget in the future as revenues should climb back up with stadiums re opening.

Bottom line would i have liked to see our players take voluntary pay cuts of course i would have but i m not gonna hold it against them that they did not.

Maybe handa should have done so cause he s here for a long time and the captain....

 

[.h.]

AIUI there was no level of salary that Messi could take where he was registerable at Barca. His contract offers were 50% pay cut, though, and were in principle signed pending freeing up other money.

 

[andrei]

AIUI there was no level of salary that Messi could take where he was registerable at Barca. His contract offers were 50% pay cut, though, and were in principle signed pending freeing up other money.

Exactly! Under the spanish law if you negotiate with your current employ a new salary, it cannot be lower than 50% of your privious salary. And with 50% paycut, Barca still would have been over the salary cap.
Barca was not fuck by Messi, but by themselves with their dreadful transfers of Dembele, Coutihho, Griezmann.

 

[.h.]

allegedly that isnt true for the top tier, only the second tier, but still, point remains

 

[brakbrak]

Meh, Ramos was telling his colleagues not to take pay cut as it will be used to sign Mbappe. And guess who might be right

 

[Adriano@10]

AIUI there was no level of salary that Messi could take where he was registerable at Barca. His contract offers were 50% pay cut, though, and were in principle signed pending freeing up other money.

I honestly have very little knowledge of the rules in spain but anybody who believes that barca wanted messi to stay and messi wanted to stay at all cost and then he left is delusional.....
They would have found a deal if both sides really wanted it to happen they maybe would have needed to talk with laliga bosses but i m sure they also were interested to keep messi and would have helped the situation.

Like messi is one of the few players (probably him and CR7) who even if you pay him 15 mio per season he ll earn you more than that.

Ofcourse both barca and messi are gonna point to the rule and said there was no other way...

I dont buy it for a second if the will of both parties were as strong as they claimed messi would still be at barca