Frank de Boer

[Ed.]

I dont know why everyone are so in love with De Boer, the fact is :
1. He lose 7 in 14 games
2. Result dont come when he is the coach
3. Almost eliminated from EL group and got near relegation zone in league table. 14 place? Thats not acceptable for big club like Inter.
4. Not playing gabigol (sunning invest big on him for 30 M not to be a bench warmer)
5. All blame the management bla bla bla , the fact is management has done great thing by invest heavily in the summer market.
6. Blame on Mancini for playing hide and seek and decide to leave inter just 2 weeks before season begin.
7. Fdb lost the locker room since he has military academy discipline on our team, dont get wrong, discipline is good when you treat it to bunch teenage or young footballer like the ajax team , but in Inter they are all a man with average age is 27, so you have to do it differently like the mou or ancelotti did by respect reach other, not just grounding the players when he made mistake like a kid
8. And the last , clearly most fans in italy inter fans majority agree and pro with this sack, if not they were riot in street like the vucinic guarin case.

1. I wouldn't count the losses in EL. He has a very thin squad registered there.
2. Results don't come =/= won't come
3. Inter 2009-10 had collected only 3 points from 3 draws in UCL and was almost eliminated by Dynamo Kiev if it wasn't because of Diego Milito and Wesley Sneijder super instinct at 86th and 89th minute. 14 place isn't acceptable for a big club like Inter, the not-so-big-club Juventus was in the same place last season. These positions in the early season like this doesn't reflect the end of the season.
4. Gabigol is young, had a shit olympics, coming late to inter and his best friend is so far Melo. He should play when he is ready. We have seen Kovacic and Kondogbia struggled. When Icardi arrived at Inter, Mazzarri didn't play him until mid season. Mazzarri's excuse was always injury which turned out that Icardi was overweight.
5. There is a reason why they are called management, not investor. Management is supposed to manage. It's good that they have invested "heavily" but they brought the players in and treat them like a hollywood star. They are the one should discipline the players through the manager hand. That is how Barcelona, Atletico Madrid, Bayern and now Liverpool earn their recent successes. They backed up their manager in managing the squad not only from the investment.
6. That's a fact and even worse considering our players didn't even last an hour of playing time.
7. As I said above. Mourinho, Ancellotti, etc. they also need a support from the management. Look at how Mourinho ended up in Chelsea last season, that's what happened when the players are against the manager and the management doesn't back up the manager. The management and the manager should have the similar direction. The chaos at inter is due to everyone wants to do their own way.
8. They probably don't give a shit anymore and even if they do what could they actually do? They didn't even know for sure it was happening.

 

[DARi0]

They ARE delusional

In my view, Frank de Boer was never given a proper chance. His failure is the club’s failure. He has simply taken the fall for it. For me, the saddest thing is that Inter lost a coach that could have made a real difference to the club going forward both in terms of playing philosophy and the promotion and development of young players. Inter lost a coach that was different from any of the shit we have had in recent history and could have made a long term difference if given a proper chance. To those that believe he was given a proper opportunity to manage our team, please consider the factors below.

Nowhere in the world of football will you see a club that has been mismanaged the way Inter have been managed this season. Inter has become a coach’s graveyard. The performance of the players on field are as clueless and directionless as the club’s management. The club’s Captain cares more about Instagram and the money in his pocket than he does about the club, and the club’s management are an embarrassment. Prospective new coaches will think long and hard before signing for such a basket-case club.

No one is kidding themselves. Inter is not the club it once was. It has fallen from being at the top tier of European football to being a club that struggles to qualify and perform in the UEFA Cup. There used to be great pride and prestige associated with Inter but that has been replaced by dysfunction and performances on the pitch that fluctuate between embarrassing and disgraceful.

The way I see it, our whole season was compromised and ruined by:

(1) The delay in getting rid of Mancini;
(2) The fact that the squad were not clicking with him and obviously sensed that something was wrong in preseason;
(3) A pointless shit tour of the US that compromised our preparation and fitness levels for the start of the season;
(4) Mancini leaving two weeks before the start of the season and the subsequent appointment of Frank de Boer;
(5) Frank de Boer having no time to make a call on the players he wanted in the squad and those he wanted to move on;
(6) Frank de Boer trying to adjust on the run to a dysfunctional club;
(7) Frank de Boer having no time with players whose fitness had been compromised due to the club focusing on exposure, money and a pre-season tour at the expense of everything else;
(9) Management buying presents in the form of players when a coach has not been appointed and consulted on a given purchase and how that player is going to be utilised;
(9) The club continually renewing player contracts based on what the players have done in the past as opposed to what they have to offer in the future; and
(10) Following on from (9) above, the club’s absolute failure to adequately identify and assess below par performing players and get them off our books.

Most of the above has nothing to do with Frank de Boer and Inter’s management are delusional if they believe that changing coach will save our season. Management would do well to recognise that our season is over. They should start planning for next season by lining up a coach that they are willing to back without exception; giving that coach the time to adjust and manage his squad without a pre-season tour, as well as select the players he wants in his squad and those he wants targets in the transfer market. The new coach should be consulted throughout rather than waiting for him to arrive at the end of July and start again with the same useless shit players at his disposal.

The only other thing that I would like to add is that I sincerely hope that our dysfunction does not became so bad that we spend the season hovering above or battling against relegation. If you think that sounds far fetched, think again: psychologically, our players are fragile; they play in fits and starts; they have little to no composure, structure or desire to improve and play good football; they have a loser mentality and cannot put together 90 minutes of football. We have reached this point and it is not even January yet, the time in the season that Inter always struggle and fall away.

The next instalment of our terrible season comes on Thursday night against Southampton. Inter have always struggled when they play under the bright lights in England. The only difference to encounters of the past are that our opponents are far less illustrious and the prospect of an embarrassing result for a former European giant has never been greater.

Lastly, my thoughts are with Frank de Boer. Thank you for coming to Inter and attempting to try something different. Thank you for being willing to give us a go. I hope that wherever you go in the future, that you will find a much more tranquil environment that will support and back you without exception and will work at your side so as to allow you to move forward together.

Great post Puma, I was also hoping for FdB to not be sacked, at least not at this point.
Just by firing him its proven that the management IS actually delusional, so unfortunately I don`t think the bold part will happen any time soon. It's seems like Moratti era reloaded with play money and zero patience.

Results have been negative and that's a FACT, our position in the league is a mockery and losing 7 out of 14 is lethal. Even Mancini managed to get better results [cowardly draws, mostly] with an arguably less talented squad. And that also says something.

I have the feeling that he lost the dressing room, being unflexible and punishing them real hard. Not all our players are youth/youngsters, some have a BIG EGO and could hit back by underperforming.

I read that Frank`s refusal to call up [and perhaps insert Barbosa] for Sampdoria was the last straw. So judginb by this, the management are taking hasty decisions out of pride, while dictating who to be used in the game? :rollani: All players punished except for Icardi, who must play?

I am sorry he was not given enough time, maybe his dutch approach was not defensively careful enough in the eyes of management. I get the feeling he was tricked by the club to take the blame for the late managerial change, as he was told he will benefit from a certain adaptation time.

Goodbye Frank, you leave with my respect.

 

[.h.]

1. I wouldn't count the losses in EL. He has a very thin squad registered there.

True. But does that excuse us losing to some fucking AWFUL teams? Not really

2. Results don't come =/= won't come

Also true, but you need to show improvements to make people think they will come. We've been on a downward trajectory, not an upward one. There's nothing to make us think results would come.

3. Inter 2009-10 had collected only 3 points from 3 draws in UCL and was almost eliminated by Dynamo Kiev if it wasn't because of Diego Milito and Wesley Sneijder super instinct at 86th and 89th minute. 14 place isn't acceptable for a big club like Inter, the not-so-big-club Juventus was in the same place last season. These positions in the early season like this doesn't reflect the end of the season.

Again, its not about our relative place, its about progress. We were on a downward trend. Our most impressive games are a distant memory, and we see nothing but bore-Cini football. It was inevitable

4. Gabigol is young, had a shit olympics, coming late to inter and his best friend is so far Melo. He should play when he is ready. We have seen Kovacic and Kondogbia struggled. When Icardi arrived at Inter, Mazzarri didn't play him until mid season. Mazzarri's excuse was always injury which turned out that Icardi was overweight.
5. There is a reason why they are called management, not investor. Management is supposed to manage. It's good that they have invested "heavily" but they brought the players in and treat them like a hollywood star. They are the one should discipline the players through the manager hand. That is how Barcelona, Atletico Madrid, Bayern and now Liverpool earn their recent successes. They backed up their manager in managing the squad not only from the investment.
6. That's a fact and even worse considering our players didn't even last an hour of playing time.

Gee, if only we had some sort of person who was responsible for their fitness levels. I can accept the first few games of the season werent his fault, but we're 3 months in now.

7. As I said above. Mourinho, Ancellotti, etc. they also need a support from the management. Look at how Mourinho ended up in Chelsea last season, that's what happened when the players are against the manager and the management doesn't back up the manager. The management and the manager should have the similar direction. The chaos at inter is due to everyone wants to do their own way.
8. They probably don't give a shit anymore and even if they do what could they actually do? They didn't even know for sure it was happening.

 

[DARi0]

The only reason Mancini was able to squeeze out results in the beginning of the last year was his non-existent gameplan required no preparation time. He just threw his men out and took advantage of unprepared opponents, when both teams are equally lacking in term of gameplan, the team with better individuals win.

FDB, on the other hand, had a very clear idea of tactics, he even knew it'd take time and asked not to be judged until January. That's the same story for every tactical coach out there, they need a lot of time to implement ideas. Simeone, Allegri, Conte, Mourinho all tend to start the season very slowly before delivering results and that is a with full-preseason and transfer strategy working their ways. FDB had none of it, his failure was inevitable.

Great post in the Perpetual Managers Rumours thread, thought it's worth posting it here.

 

[Adriano@10]

I m not saying fdb was faultless, but to hire a coach like fdb who everybody knows wants to play attractive possession football when we come from coaches like mancini and mazzari and then not give him time to implement his ideas is just plain stupid. Our management also wanted us to play a more attractive football what did they think fdb can make it happen without having a say in transfers and without a pre season. Not to mention that the first thing he had to do is get the fitness level of the players up because our previous coach did not do shit.
I d also like to mention out of our 5 losses and our two draws in serie a atleast 5 of them could have been wins with a bit of luck on our side. I mean imho in most of these matches except for atalanta, samp and chievo we did not play worse then how we played during mancinis 1:0 winning streak.

Anyways whats done is done i just hope that somehow we manage to choose the right coach ad things all of a sudden turn out to go in our way from here on out. But i currently just dont see it happen no matter who we appoint.

 

[Sassuolu]

FdB left with class, his message was positive even though he was being outwardly mocked by the media and was never defended by any of our management. What a gentleman he was.

 

[Caecuban]

I'm against most of the recent coaches that were sacked without being given time but I have to agree with firing De Boer.

Having a long term project means starting somewhere and making a transition. If he failed to realize he needed to make this transition smoothly and playing at this moment at the strength of the players we had in the squad in the beginning of the season, he was not a visionnaire, he was dumb.

 

[DARi0]

Frank will continue to receive his wages until June, at which point his contract will be terminated for a fee of €1.3m per a pre-agreed clause.

 

[CafeCordoba]

I m not saying fdb was faultless, but to hire a coach like fdb who everybody knows wants to play attractive possession football when we come from coaches like mancini and mazzari and then not give him time to implement his ideas is just plain stupid. Our management also wanted us to play a more attractive football what did they think fdb can make it happen without having a say in transfers and without a pre season. Not to mention that the first thing he had to do is get the fitness level of the players up because our previous coach did not do shit.
I d also like to mention out of our 5 losses and our two draws in serie a atleast 5 of them could have been wins with a bit of luck on our side. I mean imho in most of these matches except for atalanta, samp and chievo we did not play worse then how we played during mancinis 1:0 winning streak.

Anyways whats done is done i just hope that somehow we manage to choose the right coach ad things all of a sudden turn out to go in our way from here on out. But i currently just dont see it happen no matter who we appoint.

Yeah, this failure has almost NOTHNG to do with Frank De Boer's abilities as a coach and almost EVERYTHING to do with our clueless management which is still in complete disarray. This is yet another wasted year, because the management change came so late this year. They didn't prepare for the summer at all and that's why that summer fuckup happened and this FdB sacking is just the logical end result of it.

It's funny how everyone kept saying we have complete trust in FdB and he will be given time. What it really meant it that FdB is given time as much as he keeps providing good results. Which doesn't have anything to do with giving time anymore. Changing coach week before the start of the season and with having a squad not trained at all physically (thanks Mancio) means you CAN'T require consistent results two months from the signing.

Well, whatever, this management has still lot to learn about football. Biggest problem is still we don't have a vision in this organization.

 

[.h.]

well, yes. Any football coach has to provide results. We're in football, not 20th century IT. You dont propose 3 year change plans, you have to do it more agile and deliver benefit continually along the whole pipeline.


No one expected consistent results yet, I'm not expecting us to be rivalling Juventus yet, but we do expect SOME results. We've lost 4 in the last 5 now, I think? Or is it 4 in the last 5 at home? Either way that shit is unacceptable. That isnt just 'we are improving and it will come', that is 'we are fucking awful'.

 

[Sassuolu]

Italian faction apparently wanted to keep de Boer, at least we had some people with a brain running the club.

 

[.h.]

is that the same italian faction who have been repeatedly criticised for being morons?

 

[Ed.]

True. But does that excuse us losing to some fucking AWFUL teams? Not really

Also true, but you need to show improvements to make people think they will come. We've been on a downward trajectory, not an upward one. There's nothing to make us think results would come.


Again, its not about our relative place, its about progress. We were on a downward trend. Our most impressive games are a distant memory, and we see nothing but bore-Cini football. It was inevitable


Gee, if only we had some sort of person who was responsible for their fitness levels. I can accept the first few games of the season werent his fault, but we're 3 months in now.

1. His first loss was because he rotated the team and it went awful. In EL he is improving.
2. Improvement depends on your perspective.
3. If talking about progress, it happened in the second season of Mourinho.
4. We only know what we are told in the media. What we don't know doesn't mean doesn't happen.

We're 3 months in.. When Mancini took over from Mazzarri.. The first 11 eleven matches in Serie A he had 3W 4D 4L = 13 points bringing us from 9th place to 13th place.. yeah, it's about progress.

 

[.h.]

and, tell me, whats the cost of our squad now vs when mancini took over from mazzarri?

Mancinis first 6 games after Mazzarri were:

Milan, Roma, Udinese, Chievo, Lazio, Juve


bit easier than
Chievo, Palermo, Pescara, Juve, Empoli, Bologna

tbh



For me its kind of simple. If he had sustained the form we'd seen up until after Roma, he'd still be in a job. But we've failed fucking miserably since then.

 

[M.Adnan]

We're 3 months in.. When Mancini took over from Mazzarri.. The first 11 eleven matches in Serie A he had 3W 4D 4L = 13 points bringing us from 9th place to 13th place.. yeah, it's about progress.

Exactly. It's funny that a moron like Mancini has always been given full support and time to implement his "ideas" by this retarded management. The retards didn't even want him to leave until he trolled everyone. De Boer didn't get half of that support.

 

[Nyall]

and, tell me, whats the cost of our squad now vs when mancini took over from mazzarri?

Mancinis first 6 games after Mazzarri were:

Milan, Roma, Udinese, Chievo, Lazio, Juve


bit easier than
Chievo, Palermo, Pescara, Juve, Empoli, Bologna

tbh



For me its kind of simple. If he had sustained the form we'd seen up until after Roma, he'd still be in a job. But we've failed fucking miserably since then.

so browha, do we fire the next coach after 84 days should he fail to bring in results, too?

I'm still curious as to how exactly you think that this makes us better. Or are you gonna keep dodging any post that disagrees with you all the while you pretend like context or common sense doesn't matter because he had the 2nd most expensive squad in Italy?

Its funny how the ones who chirped the loudest for Frank getting sacked look about as dumb and clueless as the club's management in the aftermath.

 

[Il Drago]

Italian faction apparently wanted to keep de Boer, at least we had some people with a brain running the club.

I refuse to believe that. There were many reports, even before the Juve game, saying that the Italian side was pressing for a change while only Thohir and Balingbroke supported FdB. Apart from that, Ausilio was critising some of coaches decisions like when he said Frank had rejected Baresi as his assistant. He shouldn't have said that. He said on Friday that he hadn't contacted any coach but Pioli and Blanc assistant suddenly decided to watch the games against Atalanta and Torino. I don't believe in coincidences. Even after the game against Sampdoria there were many reports saying the Italian side wanted FdB replaced by an Italian caretaker, while only Thohir and Bolingbroke supported him. There's an ongoing war inside our management about who is gonna make the decisions in the new era but the team can only lose from that. As i said on another thread, Suning need to clean that mess. And they need to do it quickly.

 

[ElDuccio]

Because De Boer has a tactic but this tactic is not Serie A adapptet. End of story

Exactly. It's funny that a moron like Mancini has always been given full support and time to implement his "ideas" by this retarded management. The retards didn't even want him to leave until he trolled everyone. De Boer didn't get half of that support.

 

[M.Adnan]

Btw just because we're the 2nd most expensive squad doesn't automatically mean that we're 2nd best squad. We might have just over-paid for players or spent alot in positions that we don't need to.

 

[Maslany]

A very big mistake we let him go. The guy needed to adapt and he was given what? No time to do so... what were we thinking really? That we were gonna conquer the world with individuals brought together just now... with the defense and team spirit we have? De Boer would be good to go as a caretaker even, until the end of the season... but NOOOO!

Some stupid business fucks who's only interest in football is prestige and money, decide that we need another coach change in the middle of the season, the same stupid fucks who changed the coach 2 days before this season started. Now, are they thinking that the new guy is gonna bring a miracle and immediate results right away and we will get the triple this season?

I'll tell you what, something stinks with this club for a long time, changing coaches, players and stuff and all, 'tis fine, till you get the nerve to dumb your fans down and make them believe that every change you make is for the benefit of the team. It's not, it's about the business, we all get that. But a team is not built by tearing it apart every new season, focusing on the players personal activities and press, on giving crazy contracts to the oldies or the deadwood and upsetting the ones who need real motivation. A team should have been built through these 6 fucking years after the treble season, not on top of each and every year as we go along. It should've been built steady, and with utmost patience for fail.

I'm afraid it will be another 6 years or so until we become a great team again.