catanha said:
Okay.
Its the internet, I don't get upset, we argue about things, don't get fussed. But one thing will always get to me, and that is if people say that Pele is a champion and Maradona is not, I don't wanna to turn the thread into a Maradona vs Pele arguement so I'll keep away this time...but a few things.
1- You're ....
2- Zaidriano, if you believe what you said...then god help you....you're not only offending Napoli fans when you say things like Maradona is not a champion.
Okay Catanha, to keep it simple, firstly, i never said he wasn't a champion. OK, that's cleared now. Now, you're merely changing this thread into Pélé VS Maradona. What i did was, comparatively, state Pélé's qualifications, as, in my opinion, this thread is dedicated to him. I mean, the thread wasn't "Diego Maradona". This was what I said:
1. He never took drugs
How does this relate to --"Pele didn't take drugs, true..but did that help Maradona dominate for a decade?"--
Where did i say drugs helped Maradona become the "great" player that he was? I'm merely stating that Pele never showed teens and vulnerable fans that he had to resort to drugs. He never tarnished his image with something to fall back on. He was, squeaky-clean, and a perfect idol in the eyes of millions. On the other hand, Maradona showed a bad example to the world, that such an iconic figure as himself had to resort to a disgraceful thing like that. Again, I'm relating to Pele, as a comparative study, NOT amateur dissing.
2.He NEVER bacame fat (well, so far at least)
You replied with --" So what if Maradona became fat? Atleast he isn't the b1tch of FIFA like Pele is? Atleast he doesn't appear on erection commericals. Atleast he doesn't bag his own NT. Plus he's lost most of the weight. "--
What do you mean by calling Pele the b1tch of FIFA? Has he done anything to you to get an indecent comment like that from you? I mean, did he accept bribes? Harm the game in any way? Harm YOU in any way? What makes you say he is a b1tch? I mean, i wrote so many things, but i could never conjure up the courage to actually use a vulgar superlative to describe a former great player. I say, Pele maintains his fitness up till an old age. Why can't Maradona do the same? Pele's "erection commercial", as you referred to in your post, was a public service, and thus helping his society open up and not be ashamed to say, "yes, they do have a problem". Plus, i find your statements in this phrase rather contradictory when you say, "So what if Maradona became fat?" and "Plus he's lost most of the weight." Well, if it didn't matter, what is your point in bringing "Plus he's lost most of the weight." into the post?
3> He Doesn't score with his hand
You replied with, --"He didn't score with his hand...OHHHHH wow...one goal, which he was honest with..ran to the English player and said...would you admit it? and the English players didn't respond. "--
If I were to meet you in a boxing arena, I mean, for instance, we're boxing, and throwing punches at each other, when suddenly, the referee had a drop of sweat in his eye. For that abrupt moment, he takes his concentration off the match and you deliver a real nice kick on the back of my head (i'm letting you be the agressor here, be thankful :dielaugh: ) and i get knocked out. So the referee calls a KO and declare you the winner. A winner by knockout. Yes, so sweet. So, you bend over to me and say, " Wouldn't you have done the same?" I mean, with all due respect, that's rubbish. Firstly, not all minds are as perverted to cheat like that. Not everyone will think of using his hand to score. Like you kicking me in the back of my head, not everyone will resort to measures like that if the values in him tell him that a game should be won fairly and not through cheating. You have a guilty feeling in the back of your mind that tells you that you didn't win. Its just that the other team didn't lose.
4> He expressed honest football, ie, no diving, cheating, etc to gain an advantage
--"He expressed honest futebol? Err Pele never got hammered like Maradona did, he would never have faced the pressures and harassment Maradona did. I'd like to see how Pele would've coped with it. "--
Are you listening to yourself? I mean, how could you say he never got hammered like Maradona did? Are the defenders against Maradona any much more different than those who came up against Pele? This is a very unfair statement which i think is not justified.
5> He's a Brazilian! We all know Brazilians are better than Argentines in terms of football
This statement was meant to be a joke but it seems some take it a little too seriously. I mean, common sense will tell you that this statement is futile. The only statement i agree with you on this particular matter, --"He's Brasilian? So just because he's Brasilian he's better? Bendejho!!!"--
Thus, I stand by my case. Again, i'd like to stress that this post is made with regard to Pele, not as a post against Maradona.
Sincerely,
-= Zaidriano =-
