Diarra

[Luka]

Yaya, would be better, but Diarra is good too.

But if this 10 Mil price is true, or something close, we should definetly go for him. He will be cheaper, and I rate him higher too.

 

[Pravesh]

Yaya, would be better, but Diarra is good too.

But if this 10 Mil price is true, or something close, we should definetly go for him. He will be cheaper, and I rate him higher too.

I just know a bit of Toure and have read alot that he's Barca's best player. I thought Toure and Diarra couldn't be compared coz they play in different positions, or am I wrong ?

 

[tonyloo]

They play in the same position, but Yaya is more allround and has better technique and passing.

 

[Pravesh]

They play in the same position, but Yaya is more allround and has better technique and passing.

Really, I thought Toure is a two way midfielder like our Cambiasso/Vieira.

 

[tonyloo]

Thats not how he has been playing in Barcelona. He's been playing behind the two more offensive players(Iniesta/Xavi/Deco) in their 3-man-midfield this season.

 

[Azzkikr]

Yaya is a good player, but the issue of playing 3 dm's would still persist.

We dont need any DM's, atleast not for a starting role.

Besides, Yaya wants to go to Arsenal so he can play with his brother.

 

[brehme1989]

Yaya used to be an AM, then became a DM. He has a lot of offensive capabilities. His long ranged shot is really good as well.

 

[cloudq]

the fact is we don't "use" 3 DMs"

its more like 1 DM, 2 CMs and 1 AM

and that 1 DM spot is filled by zanetti

 

[snake]

and that 1 DM spot is filled by zanetti

No it isnt.

Try Cambiasso.

 

[cloudq]

yes it is, cambiasso is filling a CM spot

have you ever seen zanetti join the attack more than once or twice a match?

he even stays back on FKs and corners

 

[Luka]

the fact is we don't "use" 3 DMs"

its more like 1 DM, 2 CMs and 1 AM

It should be like that, but it's not. Mancio did play at derby Maniche behind the strikers for example, so it's a clear proof that this line up might look like that on the paper sheet, but we play much more deffensively.

And Hal is right about Zanetti. Esteban plays as a center midfielder in 3 midfield line, and Javier plays as a side midfielder.

 

[Azzkikr]

Doesnt matter how it looks formationwise, you have to look at the players who are played in the positions.

And the fact here is that pretty much all of our primary midfielders main strenghs are in the defensive department and workrate.

 

[Luka]

You are getting off the track. I just pointed out, that Javier is playing nominaly on the side of the midfield.

 

[cloudq]

the DM isnt "always" playing in the centre of the park, he gravitates to where he is needed most

either on the left, where he is covering maxwell when he runs forward

or in the middle where opposition teams seem to love playing in and around our box

the main point here is, zanetti isn't going forward, regardless of where he is on the field

when people "define" his position as a side midfielder, they seem to want to portray him in an offensive capacity

if zanetti had any real offensive capacity, hed be an important part of our attack AND HE'S NOT

hes a dedicated DM playing left to mid part of the field

azz is right in where he points out its not the position, its the personnel

zanetti can play striker for all we care, hes there in a defensive capacity first and foremost and would contribute nothing to our attack regardless if he was playing in the forwards, midfield or in defence

its not fair to give zanetti any semblance of attacking potential, maybe if he tried (and he never does) you could make a case

the stark reality is that zanetti is playing the exact position gattuso plays (albeit on the left side), there is literally nothing different between gattuso and zanetti, not even in the amount of times they try to dribble or go forward

no-one is calling gattuso a side midfielder

 

[Luka]

You are way off.

What would be the point of having a player who acts as a shield, basicly deffensive midfielder on one side ?

If Javier had to cover the space exploited by the Maicon when going forward, he would have to run twice as much distance.

That makes no sense whatsoever. This is 4-3-1-2. There is one player sticking more to the back, and that is a center player. The 2 side midfielders are suppose to help in defence, and help in going forward at times.

Javier is much more seen forward than Cambiasso when we play that way. It can be looking differently now, but that is only because Mancio is playing this freekin offense. Take a look at our games from last year for example.

 

[cloudq]

You are way off.

What would be the point of having a player who acts as a shield, basicly deffensive midfielder on one side ?

If Javier had to cover the space exploited by the Maicon when going forward, he would have to run twice as much distance.

That makes no sense whatsoever. This is 4-3-1-2. There is one player sticking more to the back, and that is a center player. The 2 side midfielders are suppose to help in defence, and help in going forward at times.

Javier is much more seen forward than Cambiasso when we play that way. It can be looking differently now, but that is only because Mancio is playing this freekin offense. Take a look at our games from last year for example.

have you actually watched the way inter play or do you just read game reports?

heck i can even argue that all three central midfielders act as a shield for the defense, but im not the one arguing that inter's playing with 3 DMs am i?

vieira covers maicon on the right when maicon runs forward (and has been doing so for 2 seasons now)

zanetti has been covering max's ass for the last 2 seasons as well

if you're so set in your mind

name ONE attacking sequence where zanetti went forward instead of cambiasso in the inter-siena game

the last time i remember zanetti ever bursting forward in an attack was in the inter-porto game 1 entire season ago (and he rounded the keeper but made the angle too tight

 

[Luka]

Exmplain to me, what are basic responsibilities of the midfield in 4-3-1-2 system.

What I need is just the difference of the duties of the central player and the side player.

 

[cloudq]

the midfield:

a line of 3 in midfield and 1 behiond strikers

when fully fit, the line-up is this:

----vieira-----cambiasso-----zanetti----
--------------stankovic-----------------

in an inter attack, depending on which side inter are attacking from (because they dont attack down the middle that often), maicon and maxwell will come forward to assist

when maicon runs forward, vieira runs forward as well (just how he plays) and cambiasso and zanetti shift over, when vieira doesnt run forward with maicon, stankovic would add as middle man between maicon and the strikers

when maxwell runs forward, zanetti covers maxwell's position, cambiasso runs forward to assist, stankovic runs over the assist, vieira shifts over to cover cambiasso's position, there are no variations on this

zanetti rarely joins any inter attack period, so why shouldnt he be classified as playing a dedicated DM?

 

[Luka]

I meant what is general Idea of a 3 man midfield in 4-3-1-2, not per-se in our team.

But lets go your way.

Why not play Cambiasso - Zanetti - Vieira then ?

Why risk loosing the space here and then, when they could easily stay compact and do without it? If Zanetti is rarelly attacking, and the center one in this cas Cambiasso, according to you is attacking more, why not go with a well known schema and do it as it should be done. Cambiasso and Vieria on the sides, at times supproting attack, and Zanetti in the middle, thinking mostly about the defense ?

 

[Ilkinio]

As i said before.. All of our DM problems are because of Samuel, Cordoba and Dacourt injuries. Samuel in particular was so superior, we had no need to play Cambiasso/Zanetti as DMs