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The hell I support Brazil in anything.
And I´m fond of Argentina as well, so.
And I´m fond of Argentina as well, so.
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I supporting Argentina all the way. Though it would be nice if Adriano scored a couple of goals but in the end I hope Argentina wins and Zanetti gets to lift the trophy. Though if Ayala plays then he`ll be the captain and not Zanetti. :finger:
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Dream finale
Rivals Brazil, Argentina face off in Copa America title game
LIMA (Reuters) -- World champion Brazil meets archrival Argentina on Sunday in a perfect finale to a Copa America that has already surpassed expectations.
The clash in Lima's national stadium comes less than two months after Brazil's 3-1 win in their World Cup qualifier in Belo Horizonte, when Ronaldo won and converted a hat-trick of penalties.
The Real Madrid striker will not be present this time. Along with Kaka, Ronaldinho and Roberto Carlos, he is one of several top players to be rested for the tournament by coach Carlos Alberto Parreira.
Yet the five-time World Cup winner has still managed to reach the final in an awesome demonstration of their strength-in-depth.
"We've shown the magnitude of Brazilian football," Parreira said.
Meanwhile, Argentina has almost certainly kept coach Marcelo Bielsa in a job by getting this far.
The introverted coach, who last week admitted he had trouble understanding himself, had not been expected to survive a poor tournament after a spell of lackluster performances and unremarkable results.
IMPRESSIVE SCORING
Instead, Argentina has scored 14 goals and conceded four on its way to the final. Twenty-year-olds Javier Macherano and Carlos Tevez have both looked outstanding and Bielsa appears to have secured his position.
Brazil has also been unveiling alternatives to the old guard, in particular striker Adriano who is the Copa's top-scorer with six goals in five games including a hat-trick against Costa Rica.
The two giants of South American football have not met in the final since the Copa America was re-invented in the late 1980s and it appears organizers did not intend them to clash this time either.
Along with host Peru, the pair were top seeds for the three first round groups and would have met in the semifinals if everything had gone to plan and they had won their groups.
Peru, meanwhile, would not have run into either of them before the final.
However, all three teams finished as runners-up in their groups, meaning that Argentina faced Peru in the quarterfinals while Brazil fell into the other half of the draw.
Argentina coach Marcelo Bielsa has refused to accept that his team is the favorite despite Brazil's absentees.
"The question of favorites is a game which overloads the responsibilities or a team and lightens the load of the other," he said.
"The obligations which we feel arise from the sentiment of wanting to win."
Parreira said: "Argentina are a team who do everything well. They mark well, they run a lot and they play well when they've got the ball.
"They're a team who can play and stop the opposition from playing."
But he added: "There's no reason for us to be afraid of them."
Brazil: 1-Dida, 13-Maicon, 3-Luisao, 4-Juan, 6-Gustavo Nery; 5-Renato, 8-Kleberson, 10-Alex, 11-Edu; 9-Luis Fabiano, 7-Adriano
Argentina: 1-Roberto Abbondanzieri; 8-Javier Zanetti, 2-Roberto Ayala, 6-Gabriel Heinze, 3-Juan Pablo Sorin; 5-Javier Maschero, 16-Luis Gonzalez, 11-Carlos Tevez; 19-Cesar Delgado, 9-Luciano Figueroa, 18-Cristian Gonzalez
Referee: Carlos Amarilla (Paraguay)
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Argentina needs win more than Brazil backups
LIMA, Peru (AP) -- Argentina can't afford to lose to Brazil in the Copa America final on Sunday.
Any loss to the old enemy is a torment to Argentines, but to fall to what is effectively Brazil's B team would be even worse at National Stadium.
Argentina's exciting form in making its first final anywhere in 11 years has finally drawn credibility and affection from its demanding fans, and began to heal the wounds from the 2002 World Cup disaster, when the pre-Cup favorite was kicked out in the first round.
Coach Marcelo Bielsa also badly needs the victory. Beloved by his players but belittled by his countrymen, Bielsa's devotion to attacking soccer would be validated, and help keep the job he's held since 1999.
"Anything less than the best would be considered a tremendous disappointment," Bielsa said.
The teams previously met only last month in World Cup qualifying, and Argentina lost 3-1 on three penalty kicks which still twist their stomachs. Argentina has seven back from that side, and welcomes the return of Valencia defender and captain Roberto Ayala who was suspended for that game.
But Brazil has only two who started in Belo Horizonte: Bayer Leverkusen defender Juan and Arsenal midfielder Edu.
Coach Carlos Alberto Parreira rested his major stars and brought his second-best outfit and it's been a wonderful experiment on the pitch, even if most of their games have failed to sell out.
"Argentina and Brazil came in different stages to this Copa America, but both enter the final equally prepared," Edu said. "They have the advantage of having a more experienced team, but we have shown on the field that we can play with quality against anybody."
Brazil has a ready-made excuse should it fail, which is a historic certainty in the Copa America. Brazil has never beaten Argentina in the Copa finals, finishing second in eight of Argentina's co-record 14 championships.
"Our success in this competition won't be measured by the final result," Parreira said. "We really want the title, but we already gained a lot just by being able to closely observe this group of talented players."
Even so, it's Argentina versus Brazil, and nothing is surrendered easily in one of sport's greatest rivalries.
Historically, Argentina has 36 wins and Brazil 33 in 90 games since 1908. Argentina's Copa record is even better with 15 wins to eight.
Argentina has also had the better results this month. The Albiceleste finished second in Group B, the tournament's toughest, after trouncing Ecuador 6-1, losing to Mexico 1-0, and beating Uruguay 4-2. They downed host Peru 1-0 in the quarterfinals, and cruised past defending champion Colombia 3-0 in the semis.
Brazil has struggled to gel. It also finished second in Group C after wins against Chile and Costa Rica and a 2-1 loss to group winner Paraguay. The best performance was a 4-0 thrashing of Mexico in the quarterfinals. It beat Uruguay only in a penalty shootout after drawing their semifinal 1-1.
Bielsa was expected to retain striker Carlos Tevez, the reigning Latin American player of the year who has scored Argentina's last two game-winners as a substitute and late starting replacement.
But a cloud remained over the status of Andres D'Alessandro and Javier Saviola, who have watched the last two games from the bench with muscle injuries.
The good news for Bielsa was Villareal's Fabricio Coloccini will join Ayala -- who missed the semifinal on suspension -- and Gabriel Heinze in the back line.
"Our emphasis will be on offense, looking to press Brazil in its own half of the field," Bielsa said. "We know we won't have a chance to win if we don't keep up the pressure."
Brazil has all of its players available, and Parreira will be able to field his ideal starting lineup for the third consecutive match.
A third title in four Copas would ease Brazil during the Athens Olympics, for which it failed to qualify.
Argentina, which hasn't won the Copa since 1993 and skipped the 2001 event in Colombia for safety reasons, could earn a record 15th title on Sunday.
"They had good results until now, but it doesn't mean anything now," said Brazil and Manchester United midfielder Kleberson. "Things are different in a final, it's when everybody gives their best."
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At a glance
Who: Argentina vs. Brazil
When: Sunday, 3 p.m. local (2000 GMT)
Where: National Stadium (45,000 capacity)
Championships: Argentina 14 (1921, '25, '27, '29, '37, '41, '45, '46, '47, '55, '57, '59, '91, '93). Brazil 6 (1919, '22, '49, '89, '97, '99).
Runner-up: Argentina, 10 times; Brazil, 11 times.
Previous finals: 1921, Argentina, 1-0, round-robin; 1925, Argentina, 4-1, 2-2, round-robin; 1937, Argentina, 2-0 ET; 1945, Argentina, 3-1, round-robin; 1946, Argentina, 2-0, round-robin; 1957, Argentina, 3-0, round-robin; 1959, Argentina, 1-1, round-robin; 1991, Argentina, 3-2, round-robin.
Copa America head-to-head: Argentina 15 wins, Brazil 8 wins, 7 draws.
Copa America penalty shootouts: 1-1.
All-time head-to-head: Argentina 36 wins, Brazil 33 wins, 21 draws.
2004 leading scorers: Adriano, Brazil, 6 goals; Javier Saviola, Argentina, 3.
Quote: "There's no love lost between these two teams." -- Brazil midfielder Edu.
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Dream finale
Rivals Brazil, Argentina face off in Copa America title game
LIMA (Reuters) -- World champion Brazil meets archrival Argentina on Sunday in a perfect finale to a Copa America that has already surpassed expectations.
The clash in Lima's national stadium comes less than two months after Brazil's 3-1 win in their World Cup qualifier in Belo Horizonte, when Ronaldo won and converted a hat-trick of penalties.
The Real Madrid striker will not be present this time. Along with Kaka, Ronaldinho and Roberto Carlos, he is one of several top players to be rested for the tournament by coach Carlos Alberto Parreira.
Yet the five-time World Cup winner has still managed to reach the final in an awesome demonstration of their strength-in-depth.
"We've shown the magnitude of Brazilian football," Parreira said.
Meanwhile, Argentina has almost certainly kept coach Marcelo Bielsa in a job by getting this far.
The introverted coach, who last week admitted he had trouble understanding himself, had not been expected to survive a poor tournament after a spell of lackluster performances and unremarkable results.
IMPRESSIVE SCORING
Instead, Argentina has scored 14 goals and conceded four on its way to the final. Twenty-year-olds Javier Macherano and Carlos Tevez have both looked outstanding and Bielsa appears to have secured his position.
Brazil has also been unveiling alternatives to the old guard, in particular striker Adriano who is the Copa's top-scorer with six goals in five games including a hat-trick against Costa Rica.
The two giants of South American football have not met in the final since the Copa America was re-invented in the late 1980s and it appears organizers did not intend them to clash this time either.
Along with host Peru, the pair were top seeds for the three first round groups and would have met in the semifinals if everything had gone to plan and they had won their groups.
Peru, meanwhile, would not have run into either of them before the final.
However, all three teams finished as runners-up in their groups, meaning that Argentina faced Peru in the quarterfinals while Brazil fell into the other half of the draw.
Argentina coach Marcelo Bielsa has refused to accept that his team is the favorite despite Brazil's absentees.
"The question of favorites is a game which overloads the responsibilities or a team and lightens the load of the other," he said.
"The obligations which we feel arise from the sentiment of wanting to win."
Parreira said: "Argentina are a team who do everything well. They mark well, they run a lot and they play well when they've got the ball.
"They're a team who can play and stop the opposition from playing."
But he added: "There's no reason for us to be afraid of them."
Brazil: 1-Dida, 13-Maicon, 3-Luisao, 4-Juan, 6-Gustavo Nery; 5-Renato, 8-Kleberson, 10-Alex, 11-Edu; 9-Luis Fabiano, 7-Adriano
Argentina: 1-Roberto Abbondanzieri; 8-Javier Zanetti, 2-Roberto Ayala, 6-Gabriel Heinze, 3-Juan Pablo Sorin; 5-Javier Maschero, 16-Luis Gonzalez, 11-Carlos Tevez; 19-Cesar Delgado, 9-Luciano Figueroa, 18-Cristian Gonzalez
Referee: Carlos Amarilla (Paraguay)
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Argentina needs win more than Brazil backups
LIMA, Peru (AP) -- Argentina can't afford to lose to Brazil in the Copa America final on Sunday.
Any loss to the old enemy is a torment to Argentines, but to fall to what is effectively Brazil's B team would be even worse at National Stadium.
Argentina's exciting form in making its first final anywhere in 11 years has finally drawn credibility and affection from its demanding fans, and began to heal the wounds from the 2002 World Cup disaster, when the pre-Cup favorite was kicked out in the first round.
Coach Marcelo Bielsa also badly needs the victory. Beloved by his players but belittled by his countrymen, Bielsa's devotion to attacking soccer would be validated, and help keep the job he's held since 1999.
"Anything less than the best would be considered a tremendous disappointment," Bielsa said.
The teams previously met only last month in World Cup qualifying, and Argentina lost 3-1 on three penalty kicks which still twist their stomachs. Argentina has seven back from that side, and welcomes the return of Valencia defender and captain Roberto Ayala who was suspended for that game.
But Brazil has only two who started in Belo Horizonte: Bayer Leverkusen defender Juan and Arsenal midfielder Edu.
Coach Carlos Alberto Parreira rested his major stars and brought his second-best outfit and it's been a wonderful experiment on the pitch, even if most of their games have failed to sell out.
"Argentina and Brazil came in different stages to this Copa America, but both enter the final equally prepared," Edu said. "They have the advantage of having a more experienced team, but we have shown on the field that we can play with quality against anybody."
Brazil has a ready-made excuse should it fail, which is a historic certainty in the Copa America. Brazil has never beaten Argentina in the Copa finals, finishing second in eight of Argentina's co-record 14 championships.
"Our success in this competition won't be measured by the final result," Parreira said. "We really want the title, but we already gained a lot just by being able to closely observe this group of talented players."
Even so, it's Argentina versus Brazil, and nothing is surrendered easily in one of sport's greatest rivalries.
Historically, Argentina has 36 wins and Brazil 33 in 90 games since 1908. Argentina's Copa record is even better with 15 wins to eight.
Argentina has also had the better results this month. The Albiceleste finished second in Group B, the tournament's toughest, after trouncing Ecuador 6-1, losing to Mexico 1-0, and beating Uruguay 4-2. They downed host Peru 1-0 in the quarterfinals, and cruised past defending champion Colombia 3-0 in the semis.
Brazil has struggled to gel. It also finished second in Group C after wins against Chile and Costa Rica and a 2-1 loss to group winner Paraguay. The best performance was a 4-0 thrashing of Mexico in the quarterfinals. It beat Uruguay only in a penalty shootout after drawing their semifinal 1-1.
Bielsa was expected to retain striker Carlos Tevez, the reigning Latin American player of the year who has scored Argentina's last two game-winners as a substitute and late starting replacement.
But a cloud remained over the status of Andres D'Alessandro and Javier Saviola, who have watched the last two games from the bench with muscle injuries.
The good news for Bielsa was Villareal's Fabricio Coloccini will join Ayala -- who missed the semifinal on suspension -- and Gabriel Heinze in the back line.
"Our emphasis will be on offense, looking to press Brazil in its own half of the field," Bielsa said. "We know we won't have a chance to win if we don't keep up the pressure."
Brazil has all of its players available, and Parreira will be able to field his ideal starting lineup for the third consecutive match.
A third title in four Copas would ease Brazil during the Athens Olympics, for which it failed to qualify.
Argentina, which hasn't won the Copa since 1993 and skipped the 2001 event in Colombia for safety reasons, could earn a record 15th title on Sunday.
"They had good results until now, but it doesn't mean anything now," said Brazil and Manchester United midfielder Kleberson. "Things are different in a final, it's when everybody gives their best."
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At a glance
Who: Argentina vs. Brazil
When: Sunday, 3 p.m. local (2000 GMT)
Where: National Stadium (45,000 capacity)
Championships: Argentina 14 (1921, '25, '27, '29, '37, '41, '45, '46, '47, '55, '57, '59, '91, '93). Brazil 6 (1919, '22, '49, '89, '97, '99).
Runner-up: Argentina, 10 times; Brazil, 11 times.
Previous finals: 1921, Argentina, 1-0, round-robin; 1925, Argentina, 4-1, 2-2, round-robin; 1937, Argentina, 2-0 ET; 1945, Argentina, 3-1, round-robin; 1946, Argentina, 2-0, round-robin; 1957, Argentina, 3-0, round-robin; 1959, Argentina, 1-1, round-robin; 1991, Argentina, 3-2, round-robin.
Copa America head-to-head: Argentina 15 wins, Brazil 8 wins, 7 draws.
Copa America penalty shootouts: 1-1.
All-time head-to-head: Argentina 36 wins, Brazil 33 wins, 21 draws.
2004 leading scorers: Adriano, Brazil, 6 goals; Javier Saviola, Argentina, 3.
Quote: "There's no love lost between these two teams." -- Brazil midfielder Edu.
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10 years of FIFIn the first half, Argentina were the better team by far. Despite scoring from a non-existent scored by our very own Kily Gonzalez penalty they still “deserved” to score because they were dominating Brazil and dictating the game for at least 35 minutes. The game went as I thought it would go, it’s no secret to me that Argentina are way more stacked with talent and would dominate possesion. What surprised me is how much more prepared the Albiceleste were, even the biggest Bielsha critics wouldn’t be able to fault him for the way things went. They played very well, and were very unlucky at the 46th minute when Luisao scored from a wonderfully crossed set piece by our captain, Alex.
Argentina worked as a team and were not only walking through Brazil’s defense but also out hustling them on every loose ball thanks to Carlitos Tevez. On both wings they were threatening to score, from the left it was Kily and Sorin either forcing Brazilian right back Maicon to put the ball out of play or see yet another dangerous cross sent towards Julio Caesar. Both of them were absolutely brilliant, overlapping each other time and time again to cause some confusion in the Brazilian camp. On the right side, Rosales and Capitano “Pupi” Zanetti have been out of this world! Capitano has been playing like the infamous “Il Tractor” that we know he is. He’s running up on the wing and crossing the ball, some pretty good one’s too if it wasn’t for Luisao being such a tall defender. He’s cutting into midfield and has been making a fool out of Edu and Kleberson, dribbling past everyone. Very impressive performance. On the other hand, Tevez has been the MOM. He’s coming back deep to serve to both wings and has been fighting and buldozing through to the penalty area with a man that’s twice his size in Luisao. Using his strength and skill very wisely, he’s the most dangerous attacker in South America.
On Brazil’s part, they have been horrible. Thank god for Alex because the midfield has been horrible. Edu and Kleberson should be sent home immediately! They have both been playing like crap since the beggining of the tournament, despite the good results. Edu has been a liability on defense being beaten by the ever so slow Lucho Gonzalez, who I thought would be marked out of this game due to his lack of speed. He almost scored on two occasions, one just out smarting our defense by faking a kick and almost walking into the 15 yard box and then had a sitter taken away by the clever Julio Caesar. Edu’s passing is worst then my 89 year old grandmother this afternoon, how he’s still on the pitch is beyond me. Kleberson is lost on the field too, has served no purpose. He’s playing on the right flank and hasn’t done squat to help out Maicon in attacking the wing.
This game is serving it’s purpose in proving once again what I have been saying even before this tournament, Adriano and Luis Fabiano cannot play with each other no matter how hard they try to go back in midfield and link up with each other. Two CF’s is hurting this team, when Adriano gets the ball he has the natural instinct of dribbling a few guys and shooting - while Luis Fabiano is used to Sao Paulo’s system of playing as a lone striker and having the whole team work in order to get him an opportunity to score. I would hope that they could prove me wrong, but it certainly doesn’t look like it’s gonna happen.
I still have faith in a Brazil victory, we’ve been horrible and are still deadlock at 1-1. May god be with us, as this will be one rotten ass day if the Boludos end up with the Copa and take sole position over Uruguay as the country that has won the competition the most times. Be back in the second half, either with tears of joy or tears of sadness.
Argentina worked as a team and were not only walking through Brazil’s defense but also out hustling them on every loose ball thanks to Carlitos Tevez. On both wings they were threatening to score, from the left it was Kily and Sorin either forcing Brazilian right back Maicon to put the ball out of play or see yet another dangerous cross sent towards Julio Caesar. Both of them were absolutely brilliant, overlapping each other time and time again to cause some confusion in the Brazilian camp. On the right side, Rosales and Capitano “Pupi” Zanetti have been out of this world! Capitano has been playing like the infamous “Il Tractor” that we know he is. He’s running up on the wing and crossing the ball, some pretty good one’s too if it wasn’t for Luisao being such a tall defender. He’s cutting into midfield and has been making a fool out of Edu and Kleberson, dribbling past everyone. Very impressive performance. On the other hand, Tevez has been the MOM. He’s coming back deep to serve to both wings and has been fighting and buldozing through to the penalty area with a man that’s twice his size in Luisao. Using his strength and skill very wisely, he’s the most dangerous attacker in South America.
On Brazil’s part, they have been horrible. Thank god for Alex because the midfield has been horrible. Edu and Kleberson should be sent home immediately! They have both been playing like crap since the beggining of the tournament, despite the good results. Edu has been a liability on defense being beaten by the ever so slow Lucho Gonzalez, who I thought would be marked out of this game due to his lack of speed. He almost scored on two occasions, one just out smarting our defense by faking a kick and almost walking into the 15 yard box and then had a sitter taken away by the clever Julio Caesar. Edu’s passing is worst then my 89 year old grandmother this afternoon, how he’s still on the pitch is beyond me. Kleberson is lost on the field too, has served no purpose. He’s playing on the right flank and hasn’t done squat to help out Maicon in attacking the wing.
This game is serving it’s purpose in proving once again what I have been saying even before this tournament, Adriano and Luis Fabiano cannot play with each other no matter how hard they try to go back in midfield and link up with each other. Two CF’s is hurting this team, when Adriano gets the ball he has the natural instinct of dribbling a few guys and shooting - while Luis Fabiano is used to Sao Paulo’s system of playing as a lone striker and having the whole team work in order to get him an opportunity to score. I would hope that they could prove me wrong, but it certainly doesn’t look like it’s gonna happen.
I still have faith in a Brazil victory, we’ve been horrible and are still deadlock at 1-1. May god be with us, as this will be one rotten ass day if the Boludos end up with the Copa and take sole position over Uruguay as the country that has won the competition the most times. Be back in the second half, either with tears of joy or tears of sadness.
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They couldnt hold on for 30 more seconds..despite it all, Argentina played a very good game and deserved to win. One last minute lapse in concentration cost them, and even though I like Adriano it still broke my heart to see him score,
As for our Capitano, he played a good game. Kily tried but he could have done better, especially his finishing.
As for our Capitano, he played a good game. Kily tried but he could have done better, especially his finishing.
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10 years of FIFI feel sad for Argentina that they didn't won, they truly deserved victory what comes to 90 minutes. Tevez was just awesome, he should have be the Player of the match. Adriano did almost nothing else but that equaliser (which was great). He is just fantastic, we have to be happy that he's with us, there's nothing else to say about him.
Zanetti was again very good (like usually).
Adriano, like I said, didn't do much cause Brazil never got to the game properly but in the end. Wow! He don't need much time in the box when the ball is in the net.
Kily was quite poor, he did lot of bad decisions with the ball.
But overall, very entertaining match (I cheered for Argies), but it didn't end so well.
Zanetti was again very good (like usually).
Adriano, like I said, didn't do much cause Brazil never got to the game properly but in the end. Wow! He don't need much time in the box when the ball is in the net.
Kily was quite poor, he did lot of bad decisions with the ball.
But overall, very entertaining match (I cheered for Argies), but it didn't end so well.
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10 years of FIFGismo said:
Not this one. Argentina fully deserved to win this game, but Adriano didn't allow it. Thank god for this kid, it makes me have an orgasm to think that i will be cheering him on my team for several years to come.
Now excuse me while i go celebrate, Brazil baby!
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I don´t wanna spoil your ecstacy. But soccer is about two things: Scoring and not conceeding.
IMO it is nonsense to say otherwise. You can say lucky but never undeserved or deserved.
Only in extreme cases like vital refereeing mistakes, rigging of games, etc.
But soccer is about two things: Scoring and not conceeding. IMO it is nonsense to say otherwise. You can say lucky but never undeserved or deserved.
Only in extreme cases like vital refereeing mistakes, rigging of games, etc.
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I'm only sorry and heartbroken for JZ for once again losing at the end. How more can this guy handle? I hope it rains trophies for you and us capitano.
I'm happy for two reasons: Adriano scored and won a tournament which is important for building his character. The other is that Biesla will hopfully be sacked. He sucks, period. Now hire Cuper or whomever knows how to play the game right.
I'm happy for two reasons: Adriano scored and won a tournament which is important for building his character. The other is that Biesla will hopfully be sacked. He sucks, period. Now hire Cuper or whomever knows how to play the game right.
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Forum Supporter10 years of FIFI agree with Hamed the ONLY good thing about Argentina losing is that hopefully Bielsa is sacked...Something needs to be changed for the attitude and environment to be positive after all this heartbreak..
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Most Important MemberI was definitely rooting for Argentina in this game, for the obvious reason. They lost at the very end but thank the Gods that it was an Interista who decided the game. I'm so sorry for Javier Zanetti and I hope for better lucks for him in the future. Forza Il Capitano!!! :star:
Question: Was he the Argentinian captain? I would think so since Ayala and Veron weren't called up. I'll be d@mned if he wasn't.
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Question: Was he the Argentinian captain? I would think so since Ayala and Veron weren't called up. I'll be d@mned if he wasn't.
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10 years of FIFHandoyo said:
He was in one of the game, which I watched, but not sure if Ayala was suspended for that game. By the way, Ayala also played Copa America Cup. Didn't he score with a header as well ?
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Ziyad said:
I wish Zizu, but i doubt they will take the step because he lost by penalties and this is not his fault.
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Phucking Brazilians! Argentina should`ve won. I feel so sorry for Javier Zanetti. Yet another disappointment for him. Bielsa is not a good coach but I was surprised how well Argentina actually played in this tournament. But I hope they sack him now and don`t let him ruin another World Cup for Argentina in 2006.
And Handoyo, Ayala did play. He was the captain in every other game except for the semi final when he was suspended and J. Zanetti had the armband.
And Handoyo, Ayala did play. He was the captain in every other game except for the semi final when he was suspended and J. Zanetti had the armband.