Christian Vieri

[Besnik]

Was at the game last night Spaletti should've put him on instead Ranocchia



Definitely need a disagree or "slap" button on FIF. I can't imagine Icardi scoring anything like Vieri's debut goal. Out of nowhere...

Icardi can only dream of scoring a goal like that.

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[wera]

^^^^wow look how quick we played with Hernanes, Alvarez, Kovačić and Palacio next to Icardi.

 

[ScottishInterista]

^^^^wow look how quick we played with Hernanes, Alvarez, Kovačić and Palacio next to Icardi.

You say those names and i just have 0 positive memories of our play style when they were all here

 

[wera]

And now you do?

Tell me the last time you saw Inter score a goal like that that wasn't against Benevento.

 

[dax21]

You can't compare them directly, they are from different eras. Strikers have evolved little since Vieri, but defenses have made quite an evolutionary leap since in terms of tactics strategy and capabilities on average.

Not saying Vieri would do that worse today but also compare his squadmates over years to Icardi's. Icardi is doing far more than Vieri did, considering what he has to work with. Both are exceptional strikers and I'm a huge Vieri fan despite saying this.

 

[ScottishInterista]

And now you do?

Tell me the last time you saw Inter score a goal like that that wasn't against Benevento.

I mean, there were a few games i remember us playing well, start of last season we played really well and it looked like we'd actually turned a corner.

 

[rfU]

defenses have made quite an evolutionary leap since in terms of tactics strategy and capabilities on average.

More emphasis is on technical skills and less on defending e.g. D. Luiz /Bonucci vs Cannavaro/Puyol

Not saying Vieri would do that worse today but also compare his squadmates over years to Icardi's. Icardi is doing far more than Vieri did

Like what? The only think Icardi excels in is poaching. Vieri was faster, stronger, taller, better in every facet of attacking the goal. Put Vieri in this team now, against the current crop of defenders who can't man mark and lack positioning, that's easily 20 goals a season barring injury.

The game has changed for more quick passing and attacking, Icardi would struggle in 80-90s era where defenders knew how to man-mark and hold thier position. I can picture Vieri bullying the shit out of Bonucci or Chellini.

 

[yoszee]

I mean, there were a few games i remember us playing well, start of last season we played really well and it looked like we'd actually turned a corner.

We played well against Genoa when Lautaro play alone as striker and we won the game 5 - 0.
And i remember pretty well Jovetic played outstanding when icardick is not there.

This formation so far the best football i watched that not depending alot on crosses.
And look whose the captain.

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And this is what made us trashed by atalanta. 4 - 1.

See the difference?

The 5 - 0 formation the captain is pretty much respected by the teammates, the 4 - 1 one the captain is picked just because VP of this club is an asado and there was our god there, badcino.

 

[brakbrak]

We played well against Genoa when Lautaro play alone as striker and we won the game 5 - 0.
And i remember pretty well Jovetic played outstanding when icardick is not there.

This formation so far the best football i watched that not depending alot on crosses.
And look whose the captain.

- - - Updated - - -

And this is what made us trashed by atalanta. 4 - 1.

See the difference?

The 5 - 0 formation the captain is pretty much respected by the teammates, the 4 - 1 one the captain is picked just because VP of this club is an asado and there was our god there, badcino.

Check your head if you determine the criteria of success of our team based on comparison of 2 games.

 

[brehme1989]

See the difference?

Home game vs Away game in a ground that barely anyone escapes, including Inter historically.

Other differences:
Dalbert vs Asamoah
De Vrij vs Miranda
Vecino vs Joao Mario
Lautaro vs Icardi

So of course, it's all Icardi's fault. He should have controlled the midfield at Bergamo and failed.

 

[Sassuolu]

Was at the game last night Spaletti should've put him on instead Ranocchia



Definitely need a disagree or "slap" button on FIF. I can't imagine Icardi scoring anything like Vieri's debut goal. Out of nowhere...

Icardi can only dream of scoring a goal like that.

Look for Icardi's goal against Cagliari.

Oh and that derby goal where he karate kicked the fucking ball.

Nostalgia is fun and all but Icardi already surpassed Vieri's goal tally.

https://www.goalscout.com/playlist/106/video/2668/icardi-un-goal-capolavoro-contro-il-cagliari/

 

[Adriano@10]

Look for Icardi's goal against Cagliari.

Oh and that derby goal where he karate kicked the fucking ball.

Nostalgia is fun and all but Icardi already surpassed Vieri's goal tally.

https://www.goalscout.com/playlist/106/video/2668/icardi-un-goal-capolavoro-contro-il-cagliari/

his goal against torino when fdb was our coach was similar to vieris if i remeber correctly!

 

[rfU]

his goal against torino when fdb was our coach was similar to vieris if i remeber correctly!

If we're going to go there I scored a Michael Owen WC 98 goal when I was 15/16 in a cup final. Difference is Vieri was up against Thuram, Cannavaro and Lasissi. Context is important here. Again, put an injury free Vieri in this Inter, in this age of attack-minded football, there's simply no comparison.

 

[brakbrak]

If we're going to go there I scored a Michael Owen WC 98 goal when I was 15/16 in a cup final. Difference is Vieri was up against Thuram, Cannavaro and Lasissi. Context is important here. Again, put an injury free Vieri in this Inter, in this age of attack-minded football, there's simply no comparison.

Whats your point really? you stated that Icardi can only dream of scoring goals like the one vieri posted but youve been proven otherwise. Own up to your mistake like a man.

 

[n4l]

If we're going to go there I scored a Michael Owen WC 98 goal when I was 15/16 in a cup final. Difference is Vieri was up against Thuram, Cannavaro and Lasissi. Context is important here. Again, put an injury free Vieri in this Inter, in this age of attack-minded football, there's simply no comparison.

These convo's are always tough. Because Vieri now with his poor fitness and weight control issues would also not be able to have the stamina to keep up in today's game, pressing from the front.

What we end up doing is making assumptions for the older generation players, but not making assumptions for current generation.

What we end up having is Vieiri was a great player. Icardi isn't there yet, since Vieiri was pretty prominant at a NT level too. But Icardi has scored an assload of goals in all types of ways. I don't know why he doesn't get credit for scoring great goals; like he's an inzaghi tap-in specialist or something.

 

[brehme1989]

like he's an inzaghi tap-in specialist or something.

It's funny because his "poacher" goals are a very low % of his total tally.

 

[rfU]

Whats your point really? you stated that Icardi can only dream of scoring goals like the one vieri posted but youve been proven otherwise.

Well, I am a man, so yeah, you're right. But let me change the goal posts a bit and say context matters. Maradona's WC 86 goal vs England is considered the GOAT goal. Messi scored a similar goal vs Getafe but that isn't even in Barcas top 10 GOAT goals. So goals against relegation bound teams and european teams I've never heard of, can't really compare with one against of the GOAT Parma teams. That Vieri goal was 20 years ago, and many of us remember it fondly. Lets see how many of us remember Icardi's goals 18-20 years from now.

Nostalgia is fun and all but Icardi already surpassed Vieri's goal tally.

All that "nostalgia is powerful/can bias" is crap to me... Nostalgia doesn't change the fact that 60-70s was the prime era for heavy weight boxing, 90s was the golden era for hiphop music, 90s was the goat generation for wrestling (WWE, WCW)... These aren't fond memories, Vieri is just a click away on YouTube.

As for goal tallies, Higuain has the record for most goals scored in Serie A. Either the league is very attacking or defenders these days do too much ball watching. But no way is Higuain better than Batistuta, Montella, Vieri, Ronaldo, DiVaio, etc...

weight control issues would also not be able to have the stamina to keep up in today's game, pressing from the front.

What weight control issues? Interesting that Vieri would often to drop deep and support the midfield. Passing wasn't very good though.

It's funny because his "poacher" goals are a very low % of his total tally.

What's the percentage like?

 

[Nero Indigo]

Y’all can argue about the goals, fine that’s debatable, but Vieri had the better intangibles and was better at link up play in my opinion. The strength and that canon left foot always made him a threat from inside and outside of the box.

 

[brehme1989]

What's the percentage like?

I don't have the data in front of me now but I think it was like less than 15% last season and less than 20% in 2014-15 where he also became top scorer. I think that was also excluding penalties. I'll check again some time and get the actual data in here.

 

[rfU]

Can someone translate in summary what was said / discussed