Christian Vieri

[chipschups]

Vieri was coming to my country years ago but he play for Milan Glorie and it feels so wrong from many angle.

 

[Fapuccino]

I remember when I was a kid playing football with some of the neighbourhood kids who were Inter fans, and we were going to buy Inter jerseys. One wanted Vieri, another wanted Ronaldo. Since all the "stars" were taken I was like, ok, I'll pick that defender Zanetti. Guess who got the last laugh :datass:

 

[Nero Indigo]

Happy Birthday to BOBOGOL. Fuck all y'all #InterLegend

It's doubly special now because my last born shares the same birthdate. Wish we all could just let bygones be bygones.

 

[InterFCAustin]

fuck your birthday Vieri.

 

[Nero Indigo]

fuck your birthday Vieri.

GTFOH Bro

 

[InterFCAustin]

GTFOH Bro

I don't like him man...i just don't! The amount of shit that comes out of his mouth towards Inter, is just...i cant!

 

[Nero Indigo]

Yeah shit happens. Lines were crossed, it's just time for everyone to move on from it. One day soon I hope.

 

[InterFCAustin]

Yeah shit happens. Lines were crossed, it's just time for everyone to move on from it. One day soon I hope.

He used to be one of my ALL TIME fav players for Inter.
But when he started talking shit about us in every possible way, my hate towards him, grew bigger then my love for him.
You just don’t mess with my team, if you do, you’re dead to me.
That’s the way I see it anyways. We all have different approach to it.

 

[Nero Indigo]

Inter did invade on his privacy when they hired a private eye to spy on him, which was the genesis that led to this back and forth. Regardless, two wrongs don't make a right, and they both need to put this shit behind them.

 

[InterFCAustin]

Inter did invade on his privacy when they hired a private eye to spy on him, which was the genesis that led to this back and forth. Regardless, two wrongs don't make a right, and they both need to put this shit behind them.

I know and I agree with you. But the fact that Moratti, one of the nicest owners out there, was put in position to spy on him, tells me more about Vieri and his lack of seriousness towards inter and god knows what else he was doing back then.

 

[chipschups]

If Moratti still around he probably hiring spy just to Wanda and Icardi. This sick mentality unfortunately infected some of interisti who put extra cares to someone private lifes. Cant believe someone still defending Moratti for this one, he definitely at fault in here regsrding whatever vieri did, he had no right wgatsover to infiltrated someobe privste life.

 

[brehme1989]

Well, in Moratti's defence, he spends millions on players and then he watched as Cannavaro 'conspired' with Juventus to leave us on purpose just so that he'd still have his place at the Italian National Team. It'd make sense to be alarmed and use further means to 'defend' this investment.

 

[delaurentis]

Something I've been thinking about lately, and I'am curious to read your opinions:

Who is/was the better player: Icardi or Vieri?

 

[brehme1989]

Different players. Different eras.

Individually, Vieri was a physical specimen and played a lot with power, Icardi is more finesse. He moves elegantly and has a slick finish whereas Vieri could also pull that off but he was mostly gonna bury you with a shot.

In terms of recent Inter history, it's probably the best comparison you can make.

 

[Linege]

vieri, adriano over icardi for me

 

[delaurentis]

Different players. Different eras.

Individually, Vieri was a physical specimen and played a lot with power, Icardi is more finesse. He moves elegantly and has a slick finish whereas Vieri could also pull that off but he was mostly gonna bury you with a shot.

In terms of recent Inter history, it's probably the best comparison you can make.

When do you consider it to be a 'new era'? When did the last era end for example?

 

[brehme1989]

When do you consider it to be a 'new era'? When did the last era end for example?

Interesting question.

I guess it's rather fluid and there's no absolute answer.

Can't really put a line and say this is when the era started and the other ended, it doesn't go that way.

Icardi plays as lone striker, Vieri was never the lone striker. It's also a different time period, with more stardom than today, not just in Serie A but generally. You expected more from individuals, now you see the International tournaments have been won by 'robot-esque' teams like Spain and Germany who apart from David Villa in 2008, never relied on individual brilliance. Go back and you'll see Ronaldo, Zinedine Zidane, Luis Figo, Francesco Totti, Roberto Baggio, Lothar Matthaus, Diego Maradona, Michel Platini and so on... Now we only have Lionel Messi as the only player of that mould and he's heads and shoulders above anyone who poses a challenge to him, mostly due to marketing than individual brilliance, so he gets hype such as "best player of all time" when the peer competition is rather laughable as opposed to what older superstars had to face. It was also an era of less brand making and more merit based. Now we live in an era of brands, and players like Messi, Cristiano, Neymar, Zlatan etc are brands. When Zlatan played for Inter he was no brand though...

This transition has been ongoing since the 70s of course and even back in the 80s they said that the 'fantasista' had died. This was a time where Serie A had Maradona, Platini, Zico, Rummenigge, Antognoni and several other elite trequartisti, so looking back it's like "wtf were these people smoking?". But it's true, the game has become more tactical from the 80s, so that's a new 'era' for you. At least in Italy, 1980 signalled the reopening of the transfers for foreign players.

I'd say something like from what I've realized by going deep into this:
1980-1985 (from Serie A returning at its best due to the relaxation of the self imposted transfer ban to the Heysel tragedy)
1985-1992 (A new world in Italian football where Verona and Napoli won their first Scudetti and the birth of the Champions League as well as the Premier League)
1992-2004 (The longest era, with 2 similar events signalling the start and end. Denmark winning the 1992 Euro - without Michael Laudrup - and Greece winning the 2004 Euro)
2004-2010 (I'd say yet another transition period as finances in football were dropping dramatically, German football was trying to return to prominence, English teams could outspend anyone and both Real Madrid and Barcelona were in a transition phase, the era where Barcelona also..returned)
2008-2014 (The Spain & Germany era, the tiki taka time, when football was sort of reinvented and everyone just tried to copy everyone else
2012-this day (The too much money world of football, with crazy transfers, crazy revenues and when football started to become a 'global brand', so they simply had to implement marketing methods to just enlarge certain teams and the rest would remain on the margin)
I'm seeing a transition era once again, but no clue of how it'll be. Probably we've witnessed a change of an era and we're part of it, but none of us really realize it, right? It's still part of the crazy too much money world, but I see more can have a share in this now that the CL has become more 'closed' to the big leagues.

The last two are sort of interwined in my mind, but too much money started with Gareth Bale's transfer to Real .
I'll be the first to admit that playing style doesn't really have to be exclusive to any era and that they cannot be compatible. If you wanna think about how playing the actual sport of football changed in this period, we could take it there, but I can also argue that there have been tactical transitions and innovations in every one of those.

But can you honestly say that Vieri and Icardi played under the same football conditions? The whole thing looks so different now.

 

[delaurentis]

Thanks for the effort to explain yourself Brehme I can follow and partially agree what you wrote, but still I find it hard to define the beginning or end of an era.

But can you honestly say that Vieri and Icardi played under the same football conditions? The whole thing looks so different now.

Can you not compare Vieri and Icardi pure on a technical standpoint? Is football that much different now to not be able to compare players?

In my opinion another reason for 'an era' is the talent of homegrown players.
Serie A was at it's peak when it could provide world class Italian players. Italy could for example field 2 world class national teams + several other stars. Nowadays Italy has a below average team and it reflects on the league.

We live in an era without to much competitive football. The CL and national leagues are overrun by a handful of teams. The competition used to be much more widespread. Therefore I don't consider C. Ronaldo or Messi, who are great players nonetheless, to be up to par with other greats.

 

[K.I.]

Well i watched Vieri when he was at Lazio and i put him up there with one of the best strikers i have ever seen. His movement, build up play, shooting [from outside and inside the box], his technical ability on the ball, his heading. Icardi is very similar but comparing them it seems to me that Icardi scores a lot easier, more frequent, has better timing and just moves a lot more efficient than any other classic striker i have ever seen. He doesn't have to put in the same effort which other strikers used to or still do. [like D. Costa for example]

 

[brehme1989]

Icardi moves off the ball like Romario, finishes like Ronaldo and heads the ball like Abel Balbo (google him). Playing with back to goal, general movement and positioning is very similar to Christian Vieri.

If only he had that Crespo/Milito cut dribbling ability he'd be considered one of the greatest of all time unanimously by now. There's too much Vieri in him for that to happen