2023/2024 Forwards Rumours Thread

[Dave54]

21 npxG means he was expected to score 21 non penalty goals from the chances he had. He played 37 games in L1.

ok, my bad, 37 games. but it's kinda bullshit subtracting his penalty goals. Folarin Balogun has scored 21 goals in 37 matches so far in the Ligue 1 2022/2023 season. 14 of the 21 goals were scored at home while he scored 7 goals at away games. Overall, Folarin Balogun's goals scored per 90 minutes is 0.63. Moreover, Folarin Balogun's total G/A (goals + assists) is 23 for this season. His goal involvement equates to 0.69 per 90 minutes. His Non-Penalty xG per 90 minutes is 0.35. This puts Folarin Balogun's npxG output at 11.71 which puts him in the top 95 percentile of Ligue 1 player

 

[qb4ever_2k]

ok, my bad, 37 games. but it's kinda bullshit subtracting his penalty goals.

He scored 21 from 26.6 xG. So still an underperformance of -5.6, nothing changes.

 

[Dave54]

and i'm not suggesting to get him for 60. 40-45 for 22 years old promising guy is not bad at all. better than paying for morata 20 mil.

 

[Dave54]

He scored 21 from 26.6 xG. So still an underperformance of -5.6, nothing changes.

but not horrible, as you say.

 

[qb4ever_2k]

but not horrible, as you say.

It is when you put it in perspective.

Remember how frustrating Lautaro's finishing was at times? At his worst, he was -1.9, which means Balogun's finishing last season was 3 times worse than the worst of Lautaro.

Lukaku can miss an open net from 3m, but he almost never underperformed his xG over a season.

Morata's worst season was -4.0, and he hasn't underperformed his xG in the last 3 seasons.

 

[Dave54]

It is when you put it in perspective.

Remember how frustrating Lautaro's finishing was at times? At his worst, he was -1.9, which means Balogun's finishing last season was 3 times worse than the worst of Lautaro.

Lukaku can miss an open net from 3m, but he almost never underperformed his xG over a season.

Morata's worst season was -4.0, and he hasn't underperformed his xG in the last 3 seasons.

you forget that lautaro had a great supportie cast, and morata too. the kid is 22 he will get there. french league is not bulgarian league. it take an effort to become good. so let me ask you, what is your alternatie for 40-45 mil young forward/

 

[akusukako]

Lol Mariano's number of goals in the last 5 years are less than Morata last season.
I'm fine with Morata if price <= 15 mil. He's not as bad as people say, he can offer more than what Dzeko did in the last 2 seasons.

for a backup striker options, perhaps a different analysis strategy need to be use in term of cost effectiveness and suitability.

we already know what to expect from morata and i felt that his cost wont be a good return for inter. mariano involvement last 2 years was as backup to benzema, a goldenball winner and ancellotti also preferred rodrigo due to the boy unique characteristic, threath and to develop him further. on top of that, madrid already plan for mariano to leave since last 2 years hence no initiative to play him. i could compare past morata vs mariano statistic but it really is not a good comparison to evaluate the cost effectiveness and suitability for this backup position. i also think morata still want to play for spain and would be asking for 1 st team position rather than happily doing backup for the team unlike mariano who have proved to be professional in supporting a big squad like madrid without creating fuss

mariano playstyle is physical and i think he can be backup to lautaro doing all the high press but also have good heading threath hence can play like dzeko too. essentially a good backup player to have. we can throw him on 70 minutes to search for goal. his physical condition is still good as you can see him against against towering defender like rudiger in training session. for a free signing, perhaps just call him to train together with the team and evaluate his performance before consider to sign.

 

[NimAraya]

According to Il Messaggerio, G.Simeone could be an option too.

I was wondering why we are not linked to him or Raspadori. ADL is tough to deal with, so I don't give this rumor much weight.

 

[wera]

Like I keep saying, the closest goalscorer to Balogun was a guy with 7 goals. It's clear Stade de Reims doesn't have the quality and maybe in the right environment he would get to those numbers easier.

 

[Ethor]

First Cuntrado, now a Morata option along with a bunch other stiffs on the cheap sheesh. Papering over the cracks because they've pissed away the future to secure some ancient fucks for years. Coupled having an "owner " who treats the organization like a play thing and is broke. So Lautaro is gone next season, because "Inter has 0 transfer budget". Then its Thuram, Morata, Correa

 

[Choppin Onions]

The desire for Morata has Inzaghi all over it tbh. Checks all the boxes that Inzaghi looks for in a player.

- Experienced

Actually that’s pretty much all Inzaghi looks for.

If he’s the Correa replacement, I mean sure I guess it’d be ok assuming we got rid of Correa in the first place and the fee for Morata wasn’t ridiculous. 15m at most. But if he’s gonna be the “new Lukaku” that’s putting a lot of pressure on Lautaro to carry the forwards. We don’t know what Thuram is capable of in Italian football and we mostly know what Morata IS capable of in Italian football. Which isn’t a whole lot. At least in terms of goals.

 

[StefanNedelchev]

Is Moratta better than Lakaka? Let's hear Lakaka haters

 

[qb4ever_2k]

you forget that lautaro had a great supportie cast, and morata too. the kid is 22 he will get there. french league is not bulgarian league. it take an effort to become good. so let me ask you, what is your alternatie for 40-45 mil young forward/

I think you're confused by the xG metric but I'm too lazy to explain. Re: alternatives, for 40-45m, Openda was available and Wahi is still available. Both had better output from fewer minutes.

Wahi also passes the eye test with flying colors. The only concern with Wahi is, as his stats suggest, he's not that good at finding the chances. He scored all 19 goals from an xG of 12.2. The outperformance of +6.8 can only be consistently found from absolutely elite finishers like Son and Messi. We can't know for sure if Wahi's finishing is that elite or he was just lucky.

 

[wera]

Is Moratta better than Lakaka? Let's hear Lakaka haters

Lukaku has a better career for sure. Lukaku has mental issues that is holding him back the most. Morata isn't exactly a confident player either and also isn't a physical beast like Lukaku is.

 

[Dave54]

I think you're confused by the xG metric but I'm too lazy to explain. Re: alternatives, for 40-45m, Openda was available and Wahi is still available. Both had better output from fewer minutes.

Wahi also passes the eye test with flying colors. The only concern with Wahi is, as his stats suggest, he's not that good at finding the chances. He scored all 19 goals from an xG of 12.2. The outperformance of +6.8 can only be consistently found from absolutely elite finishers like Son and Messi. We can't know for sure if Wahi's finishing is that elite or he was just lucky.

ok bro. not really fan of your technical xg breakdowns. watch horrible balogun getting to inter for about 40-45 mil. good night.

 

[qb4ever_2k]

ok bro. not really fan of your technical xg breakdowns. watch horrible balogun getting to inter for about 40-45 mil.

Sure, I trust the management so if they think he's worth that much then great. I support all Inter players anyway.

But that doesn't mean we shouldn't have a discussion about the players, especially when they're not here yet.

 

[wera]

Let's first see what happens. It could be that Balogun or Morata aren't even coming.

 

[sdvroot]

Is Moratta better than Lakaka? Let's hear Lakaka haters

Lukaku Net Annual € 8,500,000 vs Thuram Net Annual € 6,000,000
Dzeko Net Annual € 5,000,000 vs Moratta has now Net Annual € 4,700,000
Correa Net Annual € 3,500,000 vs ???

 

[Meysam]

Options we have:
- Morara for ~15m max
- Balogun for 40m max

It's not clear what we our going to do. I assume Martinez is gonna be our 1st striker. Then Thuram is our 2nd or 3rd one? Based on this, what about other spots? Morata would be Lukaku replacement or what? I'm really confused.

Is there any chance for Icardi who is just available for 10m? And Dybala (20m)? Also Lukaku (renegotiation)?

 

[Damageplan]

A 31 year old Morata for 20 mil vs a 30/31 year old Brozovic for 18 mil. To put things into perspective.