Your REALISTIC Inter squad or line-up

[Jerry]

Black -- First of all, very strong post and a fair reply, so thanks :thumbsup:

I agree with almost all of what you say, but I am just a lot more skeptical of the Chuchu/Wes MF pairing in the 3-4-3. For one thing, I think the 1995 Ajax team makes a poor example, as they won Europe starting the likes of Davids, Rijkaard, R. de Boer & Clarence Seedorf (rossoneri garbage) in MF. These players all made careers dominating the middle of the park. Needless to say, between the four of them, they had a lot more versatility, size and defensive presence than a setup with Chuchu and Sneijder as essentially the lone MFs. After all, Cambiasso's not the biggest guy either.

Wes and Cambi are obviously great players, but each are limited in their own right. Ajax's versatility allowed for more of a total approach where players moved freely in the middle of the park and could cover for each other after attacking runs. This is what I mean by 'switching roles.' Chuchu will never be able to make an attacking run because if he does, there is literally no one left in the middle of the park, and opposition immediately is at the last line of defense. This rigidity makes for a very predictable setup, IMO. I think it would be very possible for our attack to become isolated with Cambiasso as the only player you can legitimately say is playing directly in front of our CBs.

Also, one thing I believe you are taking for granted is that we would be playing a high back line in the 3-4-3, otherwise the CB's would not really effect what goes on in MF. I think this has to be true, but is risky for obvious reasons, especially with aging CBs who are aging & not necessarily known for speed. Your point about the wingbacks required workrate is well taken. They will have to expend significant energy to cover their assigned ground, and I wonder how much, if at all, they will be able to sink into the middle of the park to help with a potential counter attack up the middle, for example.

Basically, I think Wes needs to be included in the final (attacking) 3 if we are committed to playing a 3-4-3 setup. I won't be surprised when we try to field Wes in the same lineup as Alvarez, Eto'o and Giampego Milizzo at some point (in a real match) but I worry about the potential results. One thing I'm certain of is that the matter is far from being settled at this point, and I will gladly be proven wrong either way with positive results. I like our talent but it is a little top heavy right now. That is why IMO, we need someone who can lock it down in the middle who isn't pushing 30.

 

[blackmore]

I agree with almost all of what you say, but I am just a lot more skeptical of the Chuchu/Wes MF pairing in the 3-4-3. For one thing, I think the 1995 Ajax team makes a poor example, as they won Europe starting the likes of Davids, Rijkaard, R. de Boer & Clarence Seedorf (rossoneri garbage) in MF. These players all made careers dominating the middle of the park. Needless to say, between the four of them, they had a lot more versatility, size and defensive presence than a setup with Chuchu and Sneijder as essentially the lone MFs. After all, Cambiasso's not the biggest guy either.

With the evolution of the football player, and the way teams are set up nowadays, what would/could have worked years ago with certain individuals, might not work in this day and age. Youre right in saying that Ajax adopted this philosophy of "total football", and played it to consumate ease, but who knows if that model could work in the way football is played today.

Is it fair to say that we wouldnt have a MF to dominate the park though? Cuchu, Wes and Maicon are some of the best in their trade. I totally agree that Cuchus shortcomings would cause an area of concern, but individual players are now being overshadowed by great tacticians. Just look at our treble winning team. I think its safe to say that on paper, we were on the the weakest teams to ever lift the champions league. What made us strong was how we played together as a team, and how we were set out against others.

Cambiassos not the biggest guy sure, but that hasnt detered him from dominating opponents. Most of the top DMs in the last decade fit the same kind of mould. Positioning, sense of awareness, sensibility, and a cool head can make up for a lack of size.

This is what I mean by 'switching roles.' Chuchu will never be able to make an attacking run because if he does, there is literally no one left in the middle of the park, and opposition immediately is at the last line of defense. This rigidity makes for a very predictable setup, IMO. I think it would be very possible for our attack to become isolated with Cambiasso as the only player you can legitimately say is playing directly in front of our CBs

Fair enough analysis...but also look at this from this viewpoint. Alvarez looks confident on the wing as well as the middle of the park. I can see him on many ocasions slotting into the middle of the park, so as to stop this predictability and isolation. As Gasp has said already.....its important that the ball moves around. For me this already says that we arent going to see much player movement as we saw with Rafa, but i do expect Alvarez to come in into a central position alot more. I did notice thogh that half way through the 2nd game(first half), Ricky and Panda did swap wings. Maybe Gasp just wanted to see how things would go...im niot really sure.

See this 343 has much versatility about it. Ok so if Cuchu has the ball high up field, and somehow manages to loose it, we still have our WBs to slot into position to cover his role. Think of it when Maicon goes on one of his marauding runs. Pupi when playing in DM will always slot into his position, in case he gets caught with the ball. Well the same thing should happen here. Yes no doubt we will play with a high defensive line, but im sure on of the WBs will be instructed to cover for him, incase something does happen. I just dont believe that its going to be an all out attack. The 343 actually puts alot more emphasis on defensive movements due to the attacking nature of its setup. Since its known as a so called "weakness" more thought has to be put into it.

Basically, I think Wes needs to be included in the final (attacking) 3 if we are committed to playing a 3-4-3 setup. I won't be surprised when we try to field Wes in the same lineup as Alvarez, Eto'o and Giampego Milizzo at some point (in a real match) but I worry about the potential results. One thing I'm certain of is that the matter is far from being settled at this point, and I will gladly be proven wrong either way with positive results. <IMG class=inlineimg title=Smile border=0 alt="" src="http://forzainterforums.com/images/smilies/smile2.gif"> I like our talent but it is a little top heavy right now. That is why IMO, we need someone who can lock it down in the middle who isn't pushing 30.

Im all for some fresh legs who can play the box to box role. I remember saying a few months ago that i hope when mercato comes around, we dont get sucked in too all of this Sanchez and Tevez drama, and not forget where our real problem lies...the CM position. But i guess well have to agre to disagree on this atm, until the team actually plays against some good opposition, and see how Gasp sorts this team out.

Black -- First of all, very strong post and a fair reply, so thanks

Now you know why i, and a few others reacted to things you were saying when you first got here. Hopefully you can now see thats its not like that at all

 

[Jerry]

Now you know why i, and a few others reacted to things you were saying when you first got here. Hopefully you can now see thats its not like that at all

Well for me it was never really about doubting people's football knowledge, regardless of what I may have spewed in FP, but fair enough. I did not grow up with the game and came to FIF to learn more. In-depth tactical discussions like these are exactly what this forum should be all about, IMO.

I don't think any 3-4-3 with Sneijder in the middle is doomed to fail, but I think it's clear enough that a 3-4-1-2 is more suited to his natural style and strengths (perhaps an obvious point). The final determination is certainly more complex than that simple statement. Not entirely sure what to expect from the wing backs, but I hope they will be able help out and defend the middle in a 3-4-3, as you suggest. However, with attacking options such as Maicon, Naga, Jonathan, Obi, making those attacking runs down the flanks, it reduces the need to have WFs. In a 3-4-1-2, a WB with two strikers and Wesley should be enough to launch a decent attack along with some support from a deep-lying CM, no?

 

[blackmore]

yes of course it would be a decent attack....im not doubting it for a second(back 4 with alvarez in CM position and wes as trequarista). But like i said, my whole formation at the start was based around the 343 philosophy. Im just trying to get my heads around one formation at a time.

 

[Jerry]

The Alvarez thing is definitely interesting/unknown also. If he and Eto'o can track back consistently, that will help things a lot in a 3-4-3. Eto'o has done it before, but will Gasp ask/get as much from him as Mourinho? I have no idea what to expect from Alvarez in terms of his defense, I just know he usually played advanced roles in ARG.

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my current fifa 11 inter squad... :slick:
------------------kun---------------------
etoo------------------------------neymar
------------------wes---------------------
----------de rossi------cuchu------------
evra-----lucio--------samuel-----zanetti
----------------ceasar--------------------

Apahllo, IMO it gets annoying when people just keep saying, "you're playing too much football manager." But, I really think you're playing too much football manager... I even left out the bench and that may be the most ridiculous part.

 

[blackmore]

Its really hard to tell what to expect from the kid. But going on what i saw in the first game when he moved into the middle of the park, he looks like he's able to play both roles adequately. Then again, it was againt a nobody team, and i really dont want to judge him based on these kind of performances.

I guess all will be revealed in the upcoming weeks.

As for Eto'o, theres not much you can say about this guy, besides that he's a true champ. I really have no doubt that if Gasp does ask for something similar, he will do it. But then again, he wont have to put in as much wok as he did with the 4231, as our WBs will be higher up the field. Anyway, the 343 works on not only a high defense line, but having all the forwards pressing the ball. Its a key when adopting this type of formation, where you defend from the front line. This is someting that even Gasp has mentioned, so no doubt he will be enstilling a Mou type philosphy when it comes to workrate.

 

[b4h4mooth]

u cheat on Hal B? HAdrian stop bother him. Somebody is jealous out there

 

[blackmore]

BWAhahahahahahaha........

LBAP!

 

[Gerti-inter]

---------------Julio
----Lucio----Ranocchia---Samuel
-------------Cambiasso
Nagatomo------------------Marcelo
--------------Sneijder
-----Kun-----------------Eto'o
---------------Pazzini

Pandev(8),Chivu(6),Muntari(8) and Mariga(8) out.. +30 m.
IN: Marcelo(Maicon),Casemiro(10),Kun(Santon & Viviano + 20).. -30 m.
Atletico not haves good GK and RB..

 

[apahllo]

Apahllo, IMO it gets annoying when people just keep saying, "you're playing too much football manager." But, I really think you're playing too much football manager... I even left out the bench and that may be the most ridiculous part.

that why i put my fifa 11 squad at the top. its the team i use for a video game. im so sorry to throw off your rythme... your analysis/debate about the 343 is freakin intense tho. im learning a shit ton. i understand why this football manager/fifa stuff gets annoying. its a ridiculous tem for sure but its only a small interjection.

i think we need a player like de rossi (vidal??) to help make this formation you guys are debating work.

 

[Jerry]

that why i put my fifa 11 squad at the top.

Yes, you did disclaim, that is fair. Maybe the thread should be called "realistic lineup with a reasonable transfer budget"

i think we need a player like de rossi (vidal??) to help make this formation you guys are debating work.

Many agree that we lack another deep-lying MF threat. Right now it seems like Casemiro is a likely option, but we'll see.

 

[apahllo]

Yes, you did disclaim, that is fair. Maybe the thread should be called "realistic lineup with a reasonable transfer budget"

hahaha, good point.
most of my knowledge comes from fifa... sad i know but i have only really seen 1.5 seasons and the world cup.
i actually used a 343 with inter in fifa 10 with great success!!

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Yes, you did disclaim, that is fair. Maybe the thread should be called "realistic lineup with a reasonable transfer budget"

http://forzainterforums.com/showthread.php?9498-football-manager-fifa&p=778301#post778301
problem solved?

 

[apahllo]

if we were to accept the man city offer of tevez for sneijder... BIG IF, we would need some serious creativity...

-------etoo------pazzini------tevez------
-----stankovic/cuchu----------ricky-----
naga/jz---------------------maicon/johny
----chivu------smauel------frog/lucio---

in a 343. at least thats how i see it. which im not exactly for. maybe coutinho or casimero would bring the creativity we would need.

 

[dynasty27]

This is not going to happen though I'm trying to be true to the game:

-------------Eto'o--Pazzini----------Alvarez
----------------Sneijder-------------------
---------Vidal---------------------------
------------------Cambiasso---------------
Zanetti----------------------------Maicon--
------------Lucio------Walter Samuel-------
-----------------JC------------------------

 

[Johnny Ludlow]

What is Ricky doing by the corner flag?

On more serious note, that's a very solid line up, although I think it would be better to play pure 4-2-3-1 with those players.

 

[apahllo]

This is not going to happen though I'm trying to be true to the game:

-------------Eto'o--Pazzini----------Alvarez
----------------Sneijder-------------------
---------Vidal---------------------------
------------------Cambiasso---------------
Zanetti----------------------------Maicon--
------------Lucio------Walter Samuel-------
-----------------JC------------------------

thats 12 players...

 

[dynasty27]

thats 12 players...

Wrong.

 

[DIN011]

 

[Me2]

thats 12 players...

Walter Samuel is one player not two

 

[rockball]

Why can't we just play a 4231. Its a proven formation and we got the players for it now.