Valentín Carboni

[Corrode]

Valentin suitors aren't a fool. They can just wait until Carboni's contract expires to sign him for free.

 

[PpanY]

Let's convert him to RWB and sell Dumfries instead

 

[CafeCordoba]

Valentin suitors aren't a fool. They can just wait until Carboni's contract expires to sign him for free.

Lucky for us his contract expires in 2028. So still four years left.

The issue with this kid and Inter is that his best position seems to be attacking right wing. Not SS, not AM, not left wing, but right wing. When he played with Colpani in 3 man attack, behind the line striker, Colpani was on the right and Carboni on the left. He wasn't too good there. He needs to be on the right flank.

Inter do not have a position for him at the moment. So he needs to go on loan and play in more versatile roles to make him useful for Inter (in the future) or he's simply going to be sold.

 

[RotterdamNerazzurri]

Lucky for us his contract expires in 2028. So still four years left.

The issue with this kid and Inter is that his best position seems to be attacking right wing. Not SS, not AM, not left wing, but right wing. When he played with Colpani in 3 man attack, behind the line striker, Colpani was on the right and Carboni on the left. He wasn't too good there. He needs to be on the right flank.

Inter do not have a position for him at the moment. So he needs to go on loan and play in more versatile roles to make him useful for Inter (in the future) or he's simply going to be sold.

Good point. Although I would really love him to stay, he hasn't really a position in our gameplay. We can't expect Limone to switch formations just for a (ver big one tho) talent.

I hate to say it, but given the circumstances here (Italy, Inter isn't a place where you can take time to develop, Limone doesn't like to use youngsters, no place in formation) it's maybe the best to sell him when his price skyrockets?

 

[CafeCordoba]

Yeah, but loan would be the best because I'm sure he can prop his value more and more as he gets more minutes. Just need to find the best place for him.

Unless we desperately want to make moves now and need balancing the books.

 

[Stefan]

Sacrifice him for a scrub like Gudmundsson is just brainless .
This will be a new Pirlo mistake...

 

[brehme1989]

What big club in Italy Spain is regularly giving chances to talented youngsters?

you can answer here perhaps?

 

[thatdude]

you can answer here perhaps?

The two biggest ones. Real Madrid and Barcelona.

Real Madrid invest big money in teenagers every year and I’d struggle to think of a club that’s done better developing raw talent into world class players in recent times.

Barcelona are given home grown talent consistent minutes. Their best talents play at 16-17 years old.

 

[Hikonyán]

There is significant difference in quality between the talented teens Real, Barca, City, Bayern etc etc give minutes to, compared to the youngsters from Inters academy that people on this forum are crying over not getting minutes though.

Its also about overall squad quality. These teams have so much quality that they can afford to give a fair amount of minutes to talents, without imploding completely. While at Inter we know that if they miss 1-2 starters, the drop in quality is far more significant, because the rest of the players arent good enough to compensate for it. Thats not the case with the absolute best teams in europe, that why they can afford to give development minutes and still win.

 

[brehme1989]

The two biggest ones. Real Madrid and Barcelona.

Real Madrid invest big money in teenagers every year and I’d struggle to think of a club that’s done better developing raw talent into world class players in recent times.

Barcelona are given home grown talent consistent minutes. Their best talents play at 16-17 years old.

Real Madrid boys the best known talents, though. You seen how much they spent on the three Brazilians?
They bought Kubo as well but he only got to play when he got sold to Sociedad and was loaned to 4 clubs in 3 years or something like that. Those are more common than the three Brazilian stories or buying Bellingham.

When was the last time they bought a Spanish teen and slotted him in the first team? Sergio Ramos?
When was the last player they produced and became a starter for them?

Barcelona is another story. There's no English or German big club that integrates you're products the same way.

 

[PHM1605]

There is significant difference in quality between the talented teens Real, Barca, City, Bayern etc etc give minutes to, compared to the youngsters from Inters academy that people on this forum are crying over not getting minutes though.

Its also about overall squad quality. These teams have so much quality that they can afford to give a fair amount of minutes to talents, without imploding completely. While at Inter we know that if they miss 1-2 starters, the drop in quality is far more significant, because the rest of the players arent good enough to compensate for it. Thats not the case with the absolute best teams in europe, that why they can afford to give development minutes and still win.

Yes but a subjective term such as "talent level" is not always the valid excuse for all cases. There is a middleground between those big teams and us.

Nobody is asking for starting e.g. Carboni over Lautaro and losing tons of matches only to develop. But when we are on safe leads; when we sealed the trophy mathematically; in cherry-on-top trophies like Coppa etc. you can name all the cases.

But here you see the other extreme polar. Fans demand to field the starters as "96 points is better than 93 points", to chase some meaningless numbers. Giving Gagliardini, Sanchez or Cuadrado the farewell minutes. Spending tens of millions annual cost for a Bologna corpse. Or selling our biggest GK talent for peanuts and spending tripple for a worse Genoa GK, only because grass is greener on the other side.

"Trading" Carboni for Gudmunsson, if that will happens, is the next proof that we are treating our youths like trash. Irrelevant to the level of talent.

 

[brakbrak]

The two biggest ones. Real Madrid and Barcelona.

Real Madrid invest big money in teenagers every year and I’d struggle to think of a club that’s done better developing raw talent into world class players in recent times.

Barcelona are given home grown talent consistent minutes. Their best talents play at 16-17 years old.

So you are saying they get the absolute best talents? No wonder they play them.

 

[.h.]

I wonder how arguments like this stand in the face of history

We swapped kids for Milito and Thiago motta

We swapped kids for Bastoni

Nainggolan and Sensi are kinda on that list too

Ranocchia..


Of all the kids exchanged I think Bonucci is the only regret?


The thing is we all sit here and talk about giving youth a chance but most of our youth is absolute shit. Half of our graduates (I didn't check but it's probably about that) aren't even professional footballers. I'm not talking a kut some MF who drops out at u16, I'm talking about people who stay all the way to primavera


Honestly how much real regret do we have? Bonucci for sure. Zaniolo is very debatable from both sides (not really an Inter kid and not really made it).. casadei isn't showing loads yet. I don't think anyone really regrets Biraghi... gnonto perhaps but he's hardly lighting the world on fire..

The biggest ones that have made it is like dimarco.. and who else?

0 regrets so far over pinamonti, bonazollo, benassi, etc


Mulatierri / frattesi is another one.. was a little gutted after he had such a good last season but this one hasn't been great I think?


Contrary to the popular opinion around here I think we do really well when we sell youth. Most of the time they go for career high values that they don't come close to matching again and there's very very little regretted loss, even in semi forced transfers.

The problem is that we don't have enough good kids coming through who pass the bar to be useful for the first team.

I honestly don't know how we've managed to foster so much crap through the youth system, but in reality it's probably not too far off others..

 

[qb4ever_2k]

The biggest talents we sold in the last 15 years were Balotelli, Coutinho, Kovacic and Zaniolo. The only huge loss was Coutinho.

 

[PHM1605]

I wonder how arguments like this stand in the face of history

We swapped kids for Milito and Thiago motta

We swapped kids for Bastoni

Nainggolan and Sensi are kinda on that list too

Ranocchia..


Of all the kids exchanged I think Bonucci is the only regret?


The thing is we all sit here and talk about giving youth a chance but most of our youth is absolute shit. Half of our graduates (I didn't check but it's probably about that) aren't even professional footballers. I'm not talking a kut some MF who drops out at u16, I'm talking about people who stay all the way to primavera


Honestly how much real regret do we have? Bonucci for sure. Zaniolo is very debatable from both sides (not really an Inter kid and not really made it).. casadei isn't showing loads yet. I don't think anyone really regrets Biraghi... gnonto perhaps but he's hardly lighting the world on fire..

The biggest ones that have made it is like dimarco.. and who else?

0 regrets so far over pinamonti, bonazollo, benassi, etc


Mulatierri / frattesi is another one.. was a little gutted after he had such a good last season but this one hasn't been great I think?


Contrary to the popular opinion around here I think we do really well when we sell youth. Most of the time they go for career high values that they don't come close to matching again and there's very very little regretted loss, even in semi forced transfers.

The problem is that we don't have enough good kids coming through who pass the bar to be useful for the first team.

I honestly don't know how we've managed to foster so much crap through the youth system, but in reality it's probably not too far off others..

We aren't investing heavily on youths in the first place. Imagine burning 20m-30m on a 17yo, no, thank you, we'd prefer Correa instead because he is more mature and can contribute right away. But we never think of trusting that teenager with first team minutes like Barca did, that Pedri story.

We always operate in negative because a lot of money was wasted on short terms. Instead of spending once and enjoying the next decade.

Remember Trubin? Nobody ever thought of using him long term. Fuck that sale-on clause coz we should never trigger that anyway. But thinking short and loaning Audero instead and now must spending more to find a Sommer replacement much worse.

Ofc when we are splashing peanuts on the youths, the quality cant be that high. But thats why we should keep Carboni at all cost, because such gem is super rare.

 

[Corrode]

btw Zaniolo is a loss case too. Radja is massively flop transfer. Look at Radja career right now. Fucking Indonesia league hahaha

 

[Kramerica Industries]

Real Madrid boys the best known talents, though. You seen how much they spent on the three Brazilians?
They bought Kubo as well but he only got to play when he got sold to Sociedad and was loaned to 4 clubs in 3 years or something like that. Those are more common than the three Brazilian stories or buying Bellingham.

When was the last time they bought a Spanish teen and slotted him in the first team? Sergio Ramos?
When was the last player they produced and became a starter for them?

Barcelona is another story. There's no English or German big club that integrates you're products the same way.

I can answer those Madrid questions...regarding "slotted into first team", Vinicius in the 2018-'19 season fits that description pretty well. He had fortunate timing - post CR7 era, hadn't gotten Hazard yet, just sacked Lopetegui after being a massive flop, so the season itself was something of a transition year with an interim manager who was risk-taking - but he was pretty much a tacked-on starter until he got injured in March and ended his season.

If we're lowering the standards a little bit, I'd say 18-year-old Eduardo Camavinga in 2021-'22 settled in as a regular player pretty quickly, especially for someone who was only signed at the end of the transfer window and didn't have a pre-season with the eam.

As far as their own academy goes, you're right that you have to go back a ways on that...it's probably Carvajal and even he didn't settle in as a starter before having proven himself at Leverkusen for a year before that. Vazquez and Nacho have gotten plenty of minutes over the years but they've never been first choice when everybody's available. Hakimi never really had the chance to settle in because Carvajal still had years ahead of him at the time.

One quick note on Kubo - he's always going to be a tricky case. He's a Japanese national, and Japan doesn't permit dual-nationality. La Liga clubs get three non-EU spots (that's fixed), and I think at that time, thanks to COVID, Madrid had a backlog where none of their Brazilians were able to get their Spanish passports approved in a timely order (for South Americans, it's a minimum two years residency in Spain before being able to apply for a Spanish passport and gain EU status), and while that's not a problem anymore, I think Madrid has all three non-EU spots available (Endrick will take up one soon), having one of those permanently used up isn't the greatest for squad building flexibility purposes. Madrid, of course, does a lot of scouting in South America, and not every South American (especially the black ones) is going to have direct ancestry they can trace back to Europe and have instant eligibility for an EU passport...anyway, just figured I'd share some stuff I've gathered over time.

 

[.h.]

We aren't investing heavily on youths in the first place. Imagine burning 20m-30m on a 17yo, no, thank you, we'd prefer Correa instead because he is more mature and can contribute right away. But we never think of trusting that teenager with first team minutes like Barca did, that Pedri story.

We always operate in negative because a lot of money was wasted on short terms. Instead of spending once and enjoying the next decade.

Remember Trubin? Nobody ever thought of using him long term. Fuck that sale-on clause coz we should never trigger that anyway. But thinking short and loaning Audero instead and now must spending more to find a Sommer replacement much worse.

Ofc when we are splashing peanuts on the youths, the quality cant be that high. But thats why we should keep Carboni at all cost, because such gem is super rare.

we spent kinda decent money on people like salcedo and colidio though, and got fuck all out of that.

honestly, i dont trust this scouting team to pick good U-18 players. For whatever reason, it just doesnt work.

Plus, everyone here is comparing to Barca... who are Barca spending money on?



Balde is from their youth team since 8 years old
Gavi signed aged 11
Pedri cost 5m
Yamal been at Barca since he was 7


So, what is it? We've spent more money on some players than those 4 Barca wonderkids combined (e.g. Colidio and Salcedo), we buy badly. Do we need to spend more? Probably, yes, to compete like Real does on youth, but we also dont have to spend to compete with the Barca model, we need to select better.


Trubin is great, but they gave away a 40% profit clause to have him - that's a huge giveaway. I'm not saying we shouldnt have done it, but when does a club like Inter give away high profit re-sale percentage on some kid? I cant think of any time in history, but that's off the top of my head. We normally do like 10% sell on, but not way more.

 

[.h.]

to be fair, Nainggolan is now 36. Its like saying Bonucci was a massive loss because Milito played out his last years in Argentina. Doesnt really make sense.

btw Zaniolo is a loss case too. Radja is massively flop transfer. Look at Radja career right now. Fucking Indonesia league hahaha

 

[Stefan]

I wonder how arguments like this stand in the face of history

We swapped kids for Milito and Thiago motta

We swapped kids for Bastoni

Nainggolan and Sensi are kinda on that list too

Ranocchia..


Of all the kids exchanged I think Bonucci is the only regret?


The thing is we all sit here and talk about giving youth a chance but most of our youth is absolute shit. Half of our graduates (I didn't check but it's probably about that) aren't even professional footballers. I'm not talking a kut some MF who drops out at u16, I'm talking about people who stay all the way to primavera


Honestly how much real regret do we have? Bonucci for sure. Zaniolo is very debatable from both sides (not really an Inter kid and not really made it).. casadei isn't showing loads yet. I don't think anyone really regrets Biraghi... gnonto perhaps but he's hardly lighting the world on fire..

The biggest ones that have made it is like dimarco.. and who else?

0 regrets so far over pinamonti, bonazollo, benassi, etc


Mulatierri / frattesi is another one.. was a little gutted after he had such a good last season but this one hasn't been great I think?


Contrary to the popular opinion around here I think we do really well when we sell youth. Most of the time they go for career high values that they don't come close to matching again and there's very very little regretted loss, even in semi forced transfers.

The problem is that we don't have enough good kids coming through who pass the bar to be useful for the first team.

I honestly don't know how we've managed to foster so much crap through the youth system, but in reality it's probably not too far off others..

You forgot the biggest regret of them all regarding giving up on youth players way too soon. Andrea Pirlo is the one that still burns very painfully...

I don't mind trading kids if its for a meaningful upgrade. But trading carboni for a scrub like Gudmundsson who has one decent season is just crazy.