The 11 November 2007 tragedy

[shahz_nerazzurri]

Shahz, England didn't deal with hooliganism... the events which happen each time their NT or any of their clubs leave the island proves it.

Fair point. Most of you have pointed this out. Some have even accused english media of hiding acts of hooliganism over there. But pls tell me, when was the last time, hooligans threatened to stop a game over there, or infact when was a game called off in England because of these so called hooligans?

England have never banned 'away' suppoters, even from the high risk games. FIGC has to do all sorts of things for the fear of violence. In Roma-Napoli game, they highly anticipated Derby del sud, only Roma season ticket holders were allowed, because of fear of violence. Napoli fans were not allowed to attend their game against Palermo. Things like these never happen in England.

Most of the big games are not being played on Sunday evening anymore, they are mostly moved to sunday afternoon, because of fear of disturbances that ultras might cause at night.

You have to ask yourself, how long are we gonna let the fear of Ultras dictate Italian football?

English fans behave like idiots, when they leave England, but the fact remains that inside England, they know, that the English police are strong enough, that if they cause any disturbance, they will get a good kick in the a*ss for it.

People don't stay at home because they're afraid to go to games... the fact that huge rivalry games -which are the most risky regarding violence- have the highest attendance proves it.
Low attendance is the result of high ticket prices and low wages, especially compared to England.

Once again fair point. But I do remember a survey that was taken a couple of years ago, where it was found that less and less families are going to games in Italy.
The threat of violence may not be the most important reason for the down fall in attendance in SEIREA, but it does not change the fact, that it is still one of the reason for the dismal attendance these days.
Also as I mentioned above, banning away fans, allowing only season ticket holders or playing behing close doors, (all three happen b/c of fear or misbehavior of ultras), is hardly going to increase attendances in the league.


Also I hardly doubt English media can hide all the domestic violence in their football. it dosent take a genius to figure out that situation is far worse in Italy than in England. And even if hypothetically, English hooligans are causing havoc in English football, it still doesnt justify whats happening in italy.

And as far as atmosphere in stadium: Italian ultras >>>>>> English drunken hools

True, cant argue with that.

Maybe we dont need to ban the ultras, but we need to let them know, that just because they support a certain football club, doesnt mean that they are free to do what ever they want for it. It does not and will not, give them extra privileges in the eyes of law.

Also ACAB is with out a doubt, the gayest thing I have ever heard. I really do question the maturity of members who post stuff like that.

Good Day.

 

[Choppin Onions]

Here's an interesting read for those who haven't checked it out already.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=481617&root=europe&cc=5901

 

[Serpico]

England have never banned 'away' suppoters, even from the high risk games. FIGC has to do all sorts of things for the fear of violence. In Roma-Napoli game, they highly anticipated Derby del sud, only Roma season ticket holders were allowed, because of fear of violence. Napoli fans were not allowed to attend their game against Palermo. Things like these never happen in England..

Incorrect mate. Only recently have away fans actually been allowed to attend the NE derby between Newcastle and Sunderland due to the continual problems between these eternal foes. Cardiff-Swansea games are still to this day only for home supporters after some ferocious battles between these 2 sets of supporters.
Other deterrents like 11am and 12pm kick offs with minimal away supports usually takes place for most West Midland derby games. After the trouble at last weekends Birmingham - Villa game theres bound to be further restrictions.
I like your points but England has had its fair share of games being played with crowd restrictions over the years........

 

[Zamat]

The FIGC bans away fans because they're an incompetent bunch of idiots... politicians trying to solve a problem which they don't know anything about.

They try to communicate that this is a football problem... it's not, even Seedorf pointed that out, although I think the reasons are different than those he mentioned.
Games that bring violence are old rivalries... of which most of are based on regional, cultural differences, and have nothing to do with the sport itself. Take a look:
-Our rivalry with Milan - peaceful for the past decade, it's based on sport mostly.
-Roman rivalry: social differences, Laziali say Roma is the team of the Napoletan immigrants.
-Roma-Napoli, Inter-Atalanta, Catania-Palermo, Reggina-Palermo etc etc etc... When you look at these sides it's quite obvious that we're not facing a problem of football here.

Politicians will never acknowledge this, as trying to solve the REAL roots of football violence would take decades in Italy... and politicians are not around for that much time, so they go for the quick "solutions", which don't solve anything of course, but for the public it seems they did something.

This way they'll RUIN Italian football... yes you heard it right. Violence has been present since the beginning, in fact it was far more violent in the 80s, even the 90s... and guess what: during that time Serie A was undoubtedly the strongest championship in the world. So it's BS that violence will kill the game... high ticket prices, idiotic handling of TV rights, repressive actions against fans will in fact surely do.

 

[Khalifa]

Well said Zamat,i agreed with you about the fact that if the ultras were not there, then we would be seeing 2000 in each game maybe. But the fact that all these rivalries, are without a doubt, a minor shadow of what they used to be and yet despite that, just like you mentioned, Calcio was the best league. Therefore, its a given that there was more violence...a ****ing missile for crying out loud. The only thing that really gives this league an edge are the ****ing curvas. Violence has its toll, but the Italian federation is only making it worse. I believe that the ultras will never be eliminated, so what really strikes is why club presidents are not cooperating with their reps.

 

[Kato]

in other words, kdogg loved la nord

 

[Khalifa]

in other words, kdogg loved la nord

I don't even need to say it, any person thats been will always defend it.
But im still trying to look at this realistically and emphasis the good points said. The stats that violence associated with the curva are pisss poor and there are many measurements that the government didnt even empose. Talking about eliminating the curva is really one of the stupidest proposals ever. A war will begin.

Just like you said earlier KT, the curva builds something in you, that is indescribable. Come to think about, some Canadian milanista chick in my class actually noticed my boys san scarf. The fact that the news made it to my finance class is telling you boys that the media is blowing it up!!!!

 

[interista]

in other words, kdogg loved la nord

lol

 

[Khalifa]

lol

What did you think? Wait, you hate guns.

 

[Kato]

I don't even need to say it, any person thats been will always defend it.
.................

Just like you said earlier KT, the curva builds something in you, that is indescribable. Come to think about, some Canadian milanista chick in my class actually noticed my boys san scarf. The fact that the news made it to my finance class is telling you boys that the media is blowing it up!!!!

Well thank god i'm not the only person who feels this. Curva is like a magical place, once u enter you're under the spell forever

If the Curva went, i couldnt see myself going to watch games, i'd still love inter but i'll never become a Gucci sitter

 

[rockball]

how I wish I see a game with the ultras once

 

[Fabio]

[youtube]PALDL3drMLg[/youtube]

 

[interista]

What did you think? Wait, you hate guns.

peace and love bro

 

[sikman]

The FIGC bans away fans because they're an incompetent bunch of idiots... politicians trying to solve a problem which they don't know anything about.

They try to communicate that this is a football problem... it's not, even Seedorf pointed that out, although I think the reasons are different than those he mentioned.
Games that bring violence are old rivalries... of which most of are based on regional, cultural differences, and have nothing to do with the sport itself. Take a look:
-Our rivalry with Milan - peaceful for the past decade, it's based on sport mostly.
-Roman rivalry: social differences, Laziali say Roma is the team of the Napoletan immigrants.
-Roma-Napoli, Inter-Atalanta, Catania-Palermo, Reggina-Palermo etc etc etc... When you look at these sides it's quite obvious that we're not facing a problem of football here.

Politicians will never acknowledge this, as trying to solve the REAL roots of football violence would take decades in Italy... and politicians are not around for that much time, so they go for the quick "solutions", which don't solve anything of course, but for the public it seems they did something.

This way they'll RUIN Italian football... yes you heard it right. Violence has been present since the beginning, in fact it was far more violent in the 80s, even the 90s... and guess what: during that time Serie A was undoubtedly the strongest championship in the world. So it's BS that violence will kill the game... high ticket prices, idiotic handling of TV rights, repressive actions against fans will in fact surely do.

Well put! In 4 simple paragraphs you summarized what multitude of journalists and politicians failed to do.

 

[Kato]

thanks to this cop, only milan residents to home games, 1 ticket per person. Bullsh!t is all i can say

 

[Handoyo]

Wait wtf so foreigners can't watch the matches in the stadium!? :wth::frustrat:

 

[Kato]

nope not atm.. not even italians from outside the province of milano

 

[Handoyo]

What the farking bullsh!t is that? That's stupidity! I hope they change the rules once I got there. It'll be a farking tragedy. And there is no reason why we foreigners shouldn't be allowed to watch matches. We are farking Asians bro, the benchmark and stereotype for the nerds and the conformists.

 

[Kato]

lollll. I wonder if they accept a residency pass from 1991 or 1994.. in that case id be fine

 

[brehme1989]

I doubt they'll really check anything... Italians should easily enter