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my portfolio is only a few percent off the pre-crash highs now. Whoop.

Shame its mainly my pension or I would have taken some riskier positions, there's like 75% of it that I keep in vanguard ls100 just to be safe.
 

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Microsoft and Facebook blew fucking expectations, teh divergence between tech and others will keep growing. Wow.

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but facebook is warning about decline in interest in ads..

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ok this is stupid now, 210?

HAHAH bought yesterday and am now giving the sell order as soon as markets open.
Both alphabet and FB had great quarters but they both also said that ad revenue deteriorated in begging of april even though fb says it stabilized.
Still think Q2 will be a way worse for all of them. Unless investors ignore Q2 we ll get the chance to re enter around 180 IMHO.

Very weird earnings season thus far i dont think i ever heard as many companies pull FY guidance as this year....
Powells speech which pointed to a deeper recession as well as cbos 40% precent plunge in economic activity for Q2 seem to get completely ignored.


IF anybody want to see how creative Bookkeping looks please go take a look at teslas recent filing once again a beauty. Still cant believe Elon will get 700mio from his fraudulent behavior while investors clap him on as he burns their money and the sec stands on the side line and watches.

Of course in typical elon ways he casually said i think we could see robotaxis next year (we wont) and delayed the Semi another year to 2021 reminder first presentation was in 17 with a production promise of 2018.
How on earth are SH s ok with this?

(i know the answer is stock price bro)

Cnbc says chinese manufacturing index contradicted again in april after expanding in march, was to be expected cause now of lacking exports but still worrying.
 
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My corona portfolio is 35% up.
And I missed to jump into Valero Energy ($68 now, was below $50 until two weeks ago and I stupidly anticipated it to break $45 due to the energy crisis) and also Boeing when it hit numbers below $130 and it is now at $143.

I'm expecting another drop soon, but I think I can kiss VLO's $45ish mark goodbye. Boeing's Q2 probably will be far worse than Q1 so perhaps it starts declining moving onto the summer.

Halliburton exploded to $11.70 from a mere $7 purchase. Also with Chevron and ConocoPhillips I'm 75% and 95% respectively and they are the biggest chunk of my portfolio (around 25% of it, with Exxon making it a total of 33% for Big Oil).
 

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Shell cutting dividends for first time since WW2, ceo also said that they are approached regularly by opec and other contries to cut back production but they wont collaborate with governments on this.

Gonna be a fun time for everybody involved in oil...


Pimpin we have the confirmation: https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/30/...sers-incorrect-meeting-participants-statement

Zoom is as much of a fraud as the other chinese companies just addmited they dont have 300 mio Daus But they had 300 mio users in meeting each day.... overestimating daus as one dau could participate in multiple meeting s in one day.

When will us investors and the SEC wake the fuck up?
 

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shit, that blows everything up, especially if you have to rejoin a free zoom meeting 3 times.. Surprised its only down 10% before the open. I do not know about the dividend cut, alot of people that invest in oil companies such as Shell depend on the income. I suppose unprecedented times (WW2, Pandemic) call for unprecedented actions.

I am still in for long term in BP. Got in at 304gbx, and I like it long term, even though it is a bit more leveraged than the other oil companies. I got in on IAG yesterday at 209, after it announced it will lay off workers rather than depend on governmental help, IMO any firm saying that, is worth getting into.

The unemployment claims for this week will be released in an hour, we are due a correction so I think today we may have a sell off, but with these markets you literally never know. The exp. is 3.5 m unemployment filings.. which is horror show..

If the fed didnt get in.. this market would be at 0 haha
 

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shit, that blows everything up, especially if you have to rejoin a free zoom meeting 3 times.. Surprised its only down 10% before the open. I do not know about the dividend cut, alot of people that invest in oil companies such as Shell depend on the income. I suppose unprecedented times (WW2, Pandemic) call for unprecedented actions.

I am still in for long term in BP. Got in at 304gbx, and I like it long term, even though it is a bit more leveraged than the other oil companies. I got in on IAG yesterday at 209, after it announced it will lay off workers rather than depend on governmental help, IMO any firm saying that, is worth getting into.

The unemployment claims for this week will be released in an hour, we are due a correction so I think today we may have a sell off, but with these markets you literally never know. The exp. is 3.5 m unemployment filings.. which is horror show..

If the fed didnt get in.. this market would be at 0 haha
Absolutely man. also could not agree more on the gov assistance ...

I m still afraid of Q2 i think a lot of investors will only ralize the damage when we get those numbers. Cause the shitty results we get now were with maybe 2 weeks of partial lockdown in the us. Q2 is gonna have at least a full months lockdown for all of the us, it s not gonna be pretty.

But yeah i have to start getting back into companies where i have a long hrizone anyways whether i buy em for 5 to 10% more or less does not matter that much on the long run.
 

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new unemployment claims at 3.84m, bringing the number of unemployment up to 30m in 6 weeks, holy shit.

Anyhow, it is looking like today will be a down day, it could spiral out real quick if people feel like cashing in on their gains, the good old herd mentality. Thankfully I have few positions open right now and all were at or near all time lows.

twitter did good on earnigns, but its down on pre-market, makes sense as I think markets will understand just how crap Q2 and further ahead the ad market will look like. Twitter down 6% pre-market. I still like it long term but not at this price, if it falls to mid 20's i may get in. I also expect the annual facebook privacy fuck up before i dip and buy it, and what year better than an election year in a pandemic.
 

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I apologise brother, I must've mixed you up witih someone else

I appreciate the apologoise :)

Anybody having an extra eye on Canopy right now? I think this corona is very positive for Canopy especially after all the money wasting that's been done.
 

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I appreciate the apologoise :)

Anybody having an extra eye on Canopy right now? I think this corona is very positive for Canopy especially after all the money wasting that's been done.


Recent sales benn pretty strong according to reports but their still entangled in the cost cutting process i m also not sure if all their stores stayed open...
Basically nothing really changed SP probably gonna be under some pressure for some time but Canopy could also profit from a consolidation of the weed market which will probably be faster now.

Imho a pretty clear hold if you still believe that legalization is on it s way in a more global scale.
Would not necessary buy now though but more down to my general rather barish view of markets these days.

Edit:Just saw us spending data and income date out for march all already pretty bad and under expectation. Personal spending down 7.5% expectations were 5.1%, good times ahead
 

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Recent sales benn pretty strong according to reports but their still entangled in the cost cutting process i m also not sure if all their stores stayed open...
Basically nothing really changed SP probably gonna be under some pressure for some time but Canopy could also profit from a consolidation of the weed market which will probably be faster now.

Imho a pretty clear hold if you still believe that legalization is on it s way in a more global scale.
Would not necessary buy now though but more down to my general rather barish view of markets these days.

Edit:Just saw us spending data and income date out for march all already pretty bad and under expectation. Personal spending down 7.5% expectations were 5.1%, good times ahead

I think this corona will make many companies have to cut down and since Canopy had to do this before the corona it just means that they are doing like many other. I think this will hide the fact that we lost alot of money during these years and instead the focus will go on how successful the cutting down process will be. At the same time I bet we will see much better numbers when the process is done.

Just an amateur opinion which I hope will come out to be true.
 

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I think this corona will make many companies have to cut down and since Canopy had to do this before the corona it just means that they are doing like many other. I think this will hide the fact that we lost alot of money during these years and instead the focus will go on how successful the cutting down process will be. At the same time I bet we will see much better numbers when the process is done.

Just an amateur opinion which I hope will come out to be true.
Exactly plus canopy has probably got the easiest access to additional capital if needed with the backing of constellation brands.


Also took another 3.8 mio jobless and a semi good earnings report from apple and a bigger miss by amazon for stocks to get the message.

Funny to see experts on cnbc scrambling....

Also trump saying he has some prove the virus comes out of a lab china us relations are gonna be fucked from here on out.
 

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Exactly plus canopy has probably got the easiest access to additional capital if needed with the backing of constellation brands.


Also took another 3.8 mio jobless and a semi good earnings report from apple and a bigger miss by amazon for stocks to get the message.

Funny to see experts on cnbc scrambling....

Also trump saying he has some prove the virus comes out of a lab china us relations are gonna be fucked from here on out.

What do you think of aurora? Their stock is so cheap! Think I'm going to buy some more canopy today as well, looks a good price at the moment and I plan on holding it for 5-10 years anyway. Next might not be bad as well, they are a really good company with a good online presence. Probably a bit dear though.
 

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What do you think of aurora? Their stock is so cheap! Think I'm going to buy some more canopy today as well, looks a good price at the moment and I plan on holding it for 5-10 years anyway. Next might not be bad as well, they are a really good company with a good online presence. Probably a bit dear though.

next is a great company I just wouldn't get in yet, i hesitated at 4300, now its at 4700 so I reckon I was wrong before :p
 

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What do you think of aurora? Their stock is so cheap! Think I'm going to buy some more canopy today as well, looks a good price at the moment and I plan on holding it for 5-10 years anyway. Next might not be bad as well, they are a really good company with a good online presence. Probably a bit dear though.
Dont confuse low price with cheap stock two totally different things.

Let me say it like this Aurora is cheaper based on revenue multiples, but they have a bigger problem with their FCF as canopy already started cutting back costs yes they also have CF concerns but i think their peak negative CF was last year Q3 and has gone up ever since(not 100% sure of the timing) while aurora had it s peak neg CF last quarter. So the concern of a possible cash crunch/chapter 11 is bigger than at Canopy also i think there still is a big class action law suit against aurora pending, at least it was still pending in lat 2019, but it might be that i missed it dont think so though.
Plus with canopy you got the backing of consteallation brands who are gona help a lot when it comes to refinancing and distribution of goods.

Basically you ll take the slightly higher risk betting on aurora but you probably also have the bigger upside if it works out. Aurora vs canopy is also a bit of a recrational vs medical thing so if you prefer the medical side aurora is the better bet.
Generally speaking i dont think your in a rush and i think 10 years down the line both will be good investments and in the worst case decent investments.

Theres some general problems on the horizon with everybody overestimating the rush to legality there now is an over supply in Canada and the us. Which obviously is a problem for the whole industry so unless we see a fast consolidation or a wave of legalization around the world then i think there s not much upside to either of the two names ATM. Theres also some positives for aurora and CGC it s them and maybe cronos or aphira who will most likely come out of the market consolidation with higher market share and stronger than before as many small producers wont survive whats about to come. The other good thing is that there might be a real push to legalisation around the world due to the econ situation it s one of the easiest forms of stimulus you create a bio $ industry by simply saying hey this plant aint illegal anymore. If i m not mistaken the great depression also helped a big deal in ending prohibition.

Gnerally speaking 10 years down the line both should be fine but i dont think your in a hurry imho markets still have not realized what a train wreck q2 will be.
Full discloser i missed a couple of great opportunities because of that view.

On next man I m not an expert in that field but i would not put a penny into any businesses with big brick and mortar retail businesses that dont sell necessities. Consumer spending on non necessities looks very grimm even in china where they should be in recovery mode, i also think people underestimate how much different the shopping experiance is gonna be the next 1 to 3 months.
I personally would wait for Q2 as i dont see the hurry in getting in now as again chances that Q2 will be much worse then people expect imho are quite high.
The again i did no research on next so i have no idea how big their exposure is to brick and mortar stores.

Side note gilead downgraded: probably one of the grimmer downgreads and shows the cruelty of capitalism as it was explain with the lack of clarity of how to monetize remedisvr(sp)..... as the ceo said their first priority is to get the medicament out to people who need it......
 

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I started investing in stocks off recommendations given to me a month ago, and will be opening up a TFSA account next Friday. Any recommendations on an audio book or online reading/course for beginners? Want to really become a pro at this.
 

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No clue on audio books, but you could try starting with Valuation, Financial Analysis, Accounting and general Business courses. You could audit them for free at some places such as Coursera, edX, UDemy etc.

Also very important to learn how to understand what experienced people are saying. Check Youtube for CNBC and Bloomberg for example and see what various analysts and CEOs are discussing. They sometimes use technical terms that you may not understand, or be more short term results driven in their speech and mentality, but that's how the stock market usually works as well.

If you familiarize yourself with the environment, and provided you want to trade stocks, I suggest going to a calendar (I use Estimize for US stocks) that shows what will be announced on any given day. It helps to know in advance that a company you are eyeing may release quarterly or annual results etc

But even if you do become an expert in all what I've said, you'll still fall short if you don't know the scope of the business you want to invest in. Always understand what makes this company tick and what kind of market and sector it operates in. This is also a trap as many people just go buy stocks of companies they are very much aware of, but for me the best strategy is to know which industry to invest in before you get your eyes on the prize, which will be the company.

For example, I consider banks that specialize in mortgages and specific retail loans (vehicles etc) to be potentially good investments in the long run as they've suffered. But I have to analyze the industry, see when I can expect a recovery, see if I can hold onto an investment that far ahead and also, as I dig deeper, see the situation of the company itself. Saying this, I've thrown an insignificant amount on Ally Financial, was going to also go for Comerica Bank, but I will start considering this again in July/August.
 

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What brehme said also make sure you understand accounting.
Also the intelligent investor by Graham imho a great read on value investing. One more thing just try to start to check quotes of the companies you like regularly and keep up with the news helps to get you a feeling of how news move prices, and i d do that before you even start investing. Wont make you a much better investor but will help with some understanding and with identifying if something did not move accordingly or warrants additional research.

Imho it s very important that you educate your selfe on what brehme said the more i talk to retail the more i realize how many people have absolutely 0 idea what they are doing and their only judgment on investments are stock prices. Almost forgot never invest in something you don t understand just dont, if you cant explain the bussinesmodel simply and you cant explain how exactly they make money stay away no matter how many people tell you it s a great idea.

On another note Elon Musk seems to have finally lost it, going on a twitter rampage yesterday calling the stock price too high......
How any responsible investor can still entrust his money to this guy is beyond me, i also wonder if the sec finaly knocked on his door for him to have a public melt down like this.

Also i fear what happens if tesla takes a huge hit, will retail pull it s money if they see a drop even to 250-300? Or will they finnaly realize that they ve been taken for a ride and if so what happens to other sectors they pilled into?

Also berks annual meeting will be live streamed on yahoo finance always a great watch and especially in times like these.
Link: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/berkshire-hathaway-annual-shareholder-meeting-2020-161426594.html
 

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On another note Elon Musk seems to have finally lost it, going on a twitter rampage yesterday calling the stock price too high......
How any responsible investor can still entrust his money to this guy is beyond me, i also wonder if the sec finaly knocked on his door for him to have a public melt down like this.

Also i fear what happens if tesla takes a huge hit, will retail pull it s money if they see a drop even to 250-300? Or will they finnaly realize that they ve been taken for a ride and if so what happens to other sectors they pilled into?

Apart from following Elon Musk in general, I have almost zero interest in Tesla as a company and more so as a stock.

I wonder, do you have any idea of what % of the shareholders are retail? Never bothered to check but now that you mention it, it could be an important factor. I have several friends who are stock novices that want to buy this stock. I keep telling them it's a bad idea but for some reason they are enamored with the company. Or Elon Musk, I don't know. I generally don't trust "one man shows", which is why I never got into Berkshire but I see Buffett now keeps overselling his heir(s) saying they're better than him and all that. Still not convinced honestly, but I'm pretty sure he's right. He wouldn't keep amateurs run the show but the immediate market impact in case of his death (he's like what? 90?) will be a major crash. At least initially. I don't know about you, but that day would make me quite sad, even if I've never met the guy.
 

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Apart from following Elon Musk in general, I have almost zero interest in Tesla as a company and more so as a stock.

I wonder, do you have any idea of what % of the shareholders are retail? Never bothered to check but now that you mention it, it could be an important factor. I have several friends who are stock novices that want to buy this stock. I keep telling them it's a bad idea but for some reason they are enamored with the company. Or Elon Musk, I don't know. I generally don't trust "one man shows", which is why I never got into Berkshire but I see Buffett now keeps overselling his heir(s) saying they're better than him and all that. Still not convinced honestly, but I'm pretty sure he's right. He wouldn't keep amateurs run the show but the immediate market impact in case of his death (he's like what? 90?) will be a major crash. At least initially. I don't know about you, but that day would make me quite sad, even if I've never met the guy.

Around 31% of the float is with retail not sure how up to date that figure is though. But as you said i dont know a single retail investor that has not atleast inquired about tesla stock also there seems to be a huge overlap in tesla ownership and tesla stockowners especially in the US. ANd in terms of value i think tesla is the main holding in robin hood maybe apple has the slight edge but tesla is surely top 2.
I dont have a problem with strong Ceo s i have a problem when they claim to know everything and obviously lie to people.

With warren man i just love the dude read a book on his investment stile when i was like 15 that shit got me hooked. Also i wanna make it cleat that imho while people admire Buffet there are worlds between him and musk. With buffet it always seems genuine and not like he wanted the attention he also always said how important graham and Munger were to his success. Plus he usually does not intervene with the mgm of his companies, unlike musk who puts his nose into everything.
Stock is sure gonna take a hit but if you look at their portfolio they are were well positioned, they ve got ample cash most of the management is already with them for years and has thea berkshire DNA where they think very similar to buffet. Also with warren i just know my money is safe, he might underperform the markets at times but you ll never have to worry about berk not weathering any storm.
Plus argument has been made for some years now that berk would be more valuable if split up but that as long as warren has a say that will never happen so i guess thats the worst case if both die.

Also first reports show berk stood mostly on the sidelines in the first huge maret dip.

Btw Munger is 96 and Buffet 89....
 

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Great stuff. Thanks guys.
 
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