RIP Giacinto Facchetti

[Devious]

So the egg first or the chicken? blivious:

 

[The Wall]

Jesus Christ

You people are aware that those phone calls exist and that they were investigated as well?

Moratti said he didn't have anything to do with it and that Facchetti was doing it on his own without MM knowing.

Which is a horrible thing to do morally since Facchetti couldn't explain his actions.

 

[Cal]

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you should really put up your source.

 

[Ed.]

One thing I like to do in my free time is to follow some corruption cases by politicians from my country. I find it fun to see how people try to make a move to prevent or minimise accussations for personal or companies.

The latest bombastic case was a bail-out for a small bank with a total amount of 560 Millions Euro in 2009. This was accused as a robbery by the incumbent president and his government to launder money out for his campaign for presidential election (for the second period). The President was in the US at that time when the decision was made. By constitution, the vice-president held the highest power in the country. The decision to bail-out the bank was taken by the Central Bank governor and the Minister of Finance. They were accused for the 'bank robbery'. Both Central Bank Governor and Minister of Finance admitted the decision was taken to avoid collapse and crisis (it happened together at the same time as US and Euro crisis), however they denied they agreed to bail out 560 Millions. They only agreed 47 Millions. Now, they question is, who signed the 560 Millions bills? Or who made the order for the 560 M bail out?

Some politicians accused President did it for his second period campaign. President said he wasn't in the country and he didn't know what happened in the meeting but he knew the Governor and Minister would have taken the right decision and are clean. Did it confirm that he wasn't the one who made the call? No one knows. Should he come out and say 'Yes, I did make the call and I took the full responsible for the bail-out' ? No. He is the incumbent president. If he said that he takes the full responsible, he would be accused for 'bank robbery' and the country would collapse. Should he defend his Governor and Minister? Also, no. If he completely backed up his Governor and Minister, he would also be accused for involvement. The country would have been taken down by opposition and probably another revolution would happen and that's something scary to happen again after it just happened 14 years ago.

I'm sorry for the political story above, but I see that the story is relevant to what Moratti did and Facchetti did. In the story, I referred Facchetti as the Minister and Governor while Moratti as the President who was out of the country.

Facchetti was the President of Inter at that time. He is responsible for every moves he made. Moratti is the owner and he was not part of Inter board. Now, since Facchetti passed away, Moratti became the President and he is the incumbent. Facchetti is accused for making the call by opposition (Juventus). Yes, there was a call made, but was the call against the law? It is up to the opposition and court to prove.

The question is.. Did Moratti ask Facchetti to make the call? The same question for the President.. Did the President really not know what happened in the meeting for the bail-out despite he was out of the country?

Should we expect Moratti to come out and say 'I take full responsibility for what Facchetti did' ? No. Because Moratti wants to save himself and Inter. He is the current President. Whatever happens to Moratti would happen to Inter.

Should Moratti come out and say Facchetti is clean? He has done it.

Should Moratti try to defend Facchetti by going into the court? No. If Moratti tried to clean up Facchetti name by going into court, people want to know why and Inter would be investigated or at least banned from football for a while which is what the opposition actually wants to happen.

Moratti has taken the same moves as the President. He stays out from the problem to save himself and Inter being investigated. If the opposition wants to accuse Inter, let them prove it in the court by law. The President never tries to clean up the Minister name. Does it mean the President blamed the Minister for making the call? No. The same thing as Moratti, does it mean Moratti blamed Facchetti for making calls? No. He never denied it but never also confirmed it.

Well, we can say that Facchetti has passed away and can't defend himself. The same goes for the Minister. She isn't in the office anymore. She was moved to World Bank and she can't defend herself as she is not in the country anymore.

This is just my 23 cents. This is all political movement by Moratti to avoid feeding the carnivore zebra our own hands as it is what the zebra wanted.

Perhaps not everyone can understand this logic, but reality is always grey, it is never balck or white.

 

[Sassuolu]

Wait Faccheti's call didn't show any thing they say he asked for a referee to be put in but it wasn't the case as the other guy on the phone said the thing. The witch hunt by those Gobbi morons for Giacinto is pathetic.

 

[FORZAINTERMILAN]

 

[Pimpin]

One thing I like to do in my free time is to follow some corruption cases by politicians from my country. I find it fun to see how people try to make a move to prevent or minimise accussations for personal or companies.

The latest bombastic case was a bail-out for a small bank with a total amount of 560 Millions Euro in 2009. This was accused as a robbery by the incumbent president and his government to launder money out for his campaign for presidential election (for the second period). The President was in the US at that time when the decision was made. By constitution, the vice-president held the highest power in the country. The decision to bail-out the bank was taken by the Central Bank governor and the Minister of Finance. They were accused for the 'bank robbery'. Both Central Bank Governor and Minister of Finance admitted the decision was taken to avoid collapse and crisis (it happened together at the same time as US and Euro crisis), however they denied they agreed to bail out 560 Millions. They only agreed 47 Millions. Now, they question is, who signed the 560 Millions bills? Or who made the order for the 560 M bail out?

Some politicians accused President did it for his second period campaign. President said he wasn't in the country and he didn't know what happened in the meeting but he knew the Governor and Minister would have taken the right decision and are clean. Did it confirm that he wasn't the one who made the call? No one knows. Should he come out and say 'Yes, I did make the call and I took the full responsible for the bail-out' ? No. He is the incumbent president. If he said that he takes the full responsible, he would be accused for 'bank robbery' and the country would collapse. Should he defend his Governor and Minister? Also, no. If he completely backed up his Governor and Minister, he would also be accused for involvement. The country would have been taken down by opposition and probably another revolution would happen and that's something scary to happen again after it just happened 14 years ago.

I'm sorry for the political story above, but I see that the story is relevant to what Moratti did and Facchetti did. In the story, I referred Facchetti as the Minister and Governor while Moratti as the President who was out of the country.

Facchetti was the President of Inter at that time. He is responsible for every moves he made. Moratti is the owner and he was not part of Inter board. Now, since Facchetti passed away, Moratti became the President and he is the incumbent. Facchetti is accused for making the call by opposition (Juventus). Yes, there was a call made, but was the call against the law? It is up to the opposition and court to prove.

The question is.. Did Moratti ask Facchetti to make the call? The same question for the President.. Did the President really not know what happened in the meeting for the bail-out despite he was out of the country?

Should we expect Moratti to come out and say 'I take full responsibility for what Facchetti did' ? No. Because Moratti wants to save himself and Inter. He is the current President. Whatever happens to Moratti would happen to Inter.

Should Moratti come out and say Facchetti is clean? He has done it.

Should Moratti try to defend Facchetti by going into the court? No. If Moratti tried to clean up Facchetti name by going into court, people want to know why and Inter would be investigated or at least banned from football for a while which is what the opposition actually wants to happen.

Moratti has taken the same moves as the President. He stays out from the problem to save himself and Inter being investigated. If the opposition wants to accuse Inter, let them prove it in the court by law. The President never tries to clean up the Minister name. Does it mean the President blamed the Minister for making the call? No. The same thing as Moratti, does it mean Moratti blamed Facchetti for making calls? No. He never denied it but never also confirmed it.

Well, we can say that Facchetti has passed away and can't defend himself. The same goes for the Minister. She isn't in the office anymore. She was moved to World Bank and she can't defend herself as she is not in the country anymore.

This is just my 23 cents. This is all political movement by Moratti to avoid feeding the carnivore zebra our own hands as it is what the zebra wanted.

Perhaps not everyone can understand this logic, but reality is always grey, it is never balck or white.

look there is a difference between Imma call your ass with the other number so we can talk business, and just speaking with the referee .

i dont know how they can talk shit about facchetti

 

[VLE]

Jesus Christ

You people are aware that those phone calls exist and that they were investigated as well?

Moratti said he didn't have anything to do with it and that Facchetti was doing it on his own without MM knowing.

Which is a horrible thing to do morally since Facchetti couldn't explain his actions.

I dunno what media you are reading but I hope you stop reading that one.


Fachetti's pohne calls were mentioned while he was alive. He defended himself as well. Moratti was questioned as well during the time.
It was only brought up again by media and moggi AFTER he was dead. Moggi actually were attacking milan as the 'bigger force behind the scene which he had to fight back' until fachetti died. Afterwards moggi changed his stance to 'everyone doing it including inter'.

Moratti didn't say he didn't know about it. Moratti said Inter did give some christmas gifts like a loaf of bread or meat or gloves to refs, they did show favors like sending out escorts before the match, and they did make regular phonecalls, some greetings and some about dissatisfaction about the ref's calls. Inter did make moves on what every Italian football clubs were doing for decades and were a tradition. Moratti said Inter DIDN'T designate refs, or told linesman to show favor like juve or milan.

There should still be an interview put up by good old fabio or count of anti-milan (or was it duke of anti-milan? anyhow).

 

[MrRONALDO]

Did facchetti get a red card in his career and when?

 

[vitomins]

Did facchetti get a red card in his career and when?

I am not sure what match it was, but Facchetti only received 1 red card in his entire career. It was for dissent.

 

[Miles]

Yes, he clapped his hands to the referee in a sarcastic manner (like Sneijder in 2010). Dunno when this was though...

 

[VLE]

Miss this guy, as a player and as a director.
Did a terrific job in both buying the players and raising the youth. Even had guts to argue against moratti and do the right thing.
Sad we are selling out all the decent young ones.

 

[VLE]

RIP

 

[William]

I was so busy yesterday that I completely forgot to post this on the forum during the spare time I had but better late than never.

RIP Facchetti, gone but not forgotten. You are always missed and always with us.

 

[Pimpin]

Some interesting facts

Boasting a personal best of 10.7 seconds for 100m and regularly coming in under 11, Facchetti had dreams of becoming the 100m Olympic champion in his youth before opting to pursue a career in football.

Fachetti picked up just one red card in 728 competitive matches during the defensive heyday of catenaccio, earning his solitary dismissal for ironic applause of a refereeing decision.

“I learned from him to get forward in attack,” said West Germany legend Franz Beckenbauer of Facchetti.

10.7 at that time is pretty fucking impressive

 

[Jimmerfr]

One thing I like to do in my free time is to follow some corruption cases by politicians from my country. I find it fun to see how people try to make a move to prevent or minimise accussations for personal or companies.

The latest bombastic case was a bail-out for a small bank with a total amount of 560 Millions Euro in 2009. This was accused as a robbery by the incumbent president and his government to launder money out for his campaign for presidential election (for the second period). The President was in the US at that time when the decision was made. By constitution, the vice-president held the highest power in the country. The decision to bail-out the bank was taken by the Central Bank governor and the Minister of Finance. They were accused for the 'bank robbery'. Both Central Bank Governor and Minister of Finance admitted the decision was taken to avoid collapse and crisis (it happened together at the same time as US and Euro crisis), however they denied they agreed to bail out 560 Millions. They only agreed 47 Millions. Now, they question is, who signed the 560 Millions bills? Or who made the order for the 560 M bail out?

Some politicians accused President did it for his second period campaign. President said he wasn't in the country and he didn't know what happened in the meeting but he knew the Governor and Minister would have taken the right decision and are clean. Did it confirm that he wasn't the one who made the call? No one knows. Should he come out and say 'Yes, I did make the call and I took the full responsible for the bail-out' ? No. He is the incumbent president. If he said that he takes the full responsible, he would be accused for 'bank robbery' and the country would collapse. Should he defend his Governor and Minister? Also, no. If he completely backed up his Governor and Minister, he would also be accused for involvement. The country would have been taken down by opposition and probably another revolution would happen and that's something scary to happen again after it just happened 14 years ago.

I'm sorry for the political story above, but I see that the story is relevant to what Moratti did and Facchetti did. In the story, I referred Facchetti as the Minister and Governor while Moratti as the President who was out of the country.

Facchetti was the President of Inter at that time. He is responsible for every moves he made. Moratti is the owner and he was not part of Inter board. Now, since Facchetti passed away, Moratti became the President and he is the incumbent. Facchetti is accused for making the call by opposition (Juventus). Yes, there was a call made, but was the call against the law? It is up to the opposition and court to prove.

The question is.. Did Moratti ask Facchetti to make the call? The same question for the President.. Did the President really not know what happened in the meeting for the bail-out despite he was out of the country?

Should we expect Moratti to come out and say 'I take full responsibility for what Facchetti did' ? No. Because Moratti wants to save himself and Inter. He is the current President. Whatever happens to Moratti would happen to Inter.

Should Moratti come out and say Facchetti is clean? He has done it.

Should Moratti try to defend Facchetti by going into the court? No. If Moratti tried to clean up Facchetti name by going into court, people want to know why and Inter would be investigated or at least banned from football for a while which is what the opposition actually wants to happen.

Moratti has taken the same moves as the President. He stays out from the problem to save himself and Inter being investigated. If the opposition wants to accuse Inter, let them prove it in the court by law. The President never tries to clean up the Minister name. Does it mean the President blamed the Minister for making the call? No. The same thing as Moratti, does it mean Moratti blamed Facchetti for making calls? No. He never denied it but never also confirmed it.

Well, we can say that Facchetti has passed away and can't defend himself. The same goes for the Minister. She isn't in the office anymore. She was moved to World Bank and she can't defend herself as she is not in the country anymore.

This is just my 23 cents. This is all political movement by Moratti to avoid feeding the carnivore zebra our own hands as it is what the zebra wanted.

Perhaps not everyone can understand this logic, but reality is always grey, it is never balck or white.

I dunno what media you are reading but I hope you stop reading that one.


Fachetti's pohne calls were mentioned while he was alive. He defended himself as well. Moratti was questioned as well during the time.
It was only brought up again by media and moggi AFTER he was dead. Moggi actually were attacking milan as the 'bigger force behind the scene which he had to fight back' until fachetti died. Afterwards moggi changed his stance to 'everyone doing it including inter'.

Moratti didn't say he didn't know about it. Moratti said Inter did give some christmas gifts like a loaf of bread or meat or gloves to refs, they did show favors like sending out escorts before the match, and they did make regular phonecalls, some greetings and some about dissatisfaction about the ref's calls. Inter did make moves on what every Italian football clubs were doing for decades and were a tradition. Moratti said Inter DIDN'T designate refs, or told linesman to show favor like juve or milan.

There should still be an interview put up by good old fabio or count of anti-milan (or was it duke of anti-milan? anyhow).

Babba bia, seem 2 juventini posts.
You better start learning italian and read news on italian newspapers if you don't want to post bullshit again

 

[Pimpin]

Babba bia, seem 2 juventini posts.
You better start learning italian and read news on italian newspapers if you don't want to post bullshit again

care to explain?

 

[Devious]

Jimmerfurk I assure you, you'll be digging your grave on this forum with that shit you're spreading in the forum, first you keep disrespecting Zanetti with your posts and now you'll start that shit on Facchetti?

Don't give us this shit that since we are not Italians then we wouldn't be real fans nor we know shit about our club, fact is real Italian Interisti feel so much happiness when they see so many Inter fans around the world, unlike you who seem to be bitter, which really means that you're not an Inter fan at all.

I'm sick of your posts, disrespect our legend and I'll make sure you lurk somewhere else with your whore crap.

 

[Jimmerfr]

Jimmerfurk I assure you, you'll be digging your grave on this forum with that shit you're spreading in the forum, first you keep disrespecting Zanetti with your posts and now you'll start that shit on Facchetti?

Don't give us this shit that since we are not Italians then we wouldn't be real fans nor we know shit about our club, fact is real Italian Interisti feel so much happiness when they see so many Inter fans around the world, unlike you who seem to be bitter, which really means that you're not an Inter fan at all.

I'm sick of your posts, disrespect our legend and I'll make sure you lurk somewhere else with your whore crap.

I was sure some zanetti fanboys didn't understand my post, but is my fault i expext too much from you
My post is against the bullshit written never happened, i don't know where you read inter news but what is sure you better stop read there

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care to explain?

Ed post is a giant delirious in gobbi style you can easily find on vecchiasignora.com

"Fachetti's pohne calls were mentioned while he was alive. He defended himself as well." False

Moratti didn't say he didn't know about it. Moratti said Inter did give some christmas gifts like a loaf of bread or meat or gloves to refs, they did show favors like sending out escorts before the match, and they did make regular phonecalls, some greetings and some about dissatisfaction about the ref's calls.

Only christmas gift is true cause there was a phone call talking about that, moratti never said that to a journalist, about escorts i'd like to know where he has read that,

 

[VLE]

Only christmas gift is true cause there was a phone call talking about that, moratti never said that to a journalist, about escorts i'd like to know where he has read that,

corriere dello sports, on somewhere around sept/oct 2006, interview with moratti.
Talks about calciopoli, moggi, refs involved in it, favors inter and others did to refs (gifts, escorts). WC, and Lippi. Bad years we had with Lippi. Juve's quality of players vs ours. Zidane vs Materazzi. Also talks little about politics, and ends with ronaldo story. it was a huge interview.



Badly translated, but the meaning still stands.

Do all clubs do some favor to the refs?

<<Just to show respect. asking police for escorts, making sure they arrive stadiums in time..etc>>

What's the biggest gift you have given to the refs?

<<I gave a ham. It was rated as the best gift on some papers>>

anything else?

<<shoes.. gloves.. but the hem is the best. There's no proof left once you eat them all.

7 years later and you telling me ppl found out about that christmas gift story with wiretaps? They could've just read the interviews.. you know?