devious, your argument is that we didn't win titles so we didnt cheat. Are you aware Lazio and Fiorentina were also heavily involved in calciopoli? verona, atalanta, ascoli, sorrento, juve stabia, sassuolo, alessandria, benevento, cremonese, piacenza, viareggio, ravenna, reggiana, spezia, tarranto, entella, ascoli, albinoleffe, empoli, livorno, monza, grossetto, frosinone, novara, pescara, ancona, siena, samp, torino, bologna were all involved in scommescopoli? Did they win many titles?
more importantly, 'cheating' is not only bribery. its matchfixing, doping etc. theres little doubt we are and have been doping along with practically every other professional club. georgatos said that he saw a lot of doping in his time in italy.
referees 'without question' favour juve? i think youre overstating the effect of buying out the refs. i think youre also forgetting referees making mistakes and theres a lot more attention when its one of the bigger teams. am i denying calciopoli? no. i just feel that spotlight can make people blow something up to be bigger than it really is (eg. juve were cheating -> their cheating is why we didn't win titles).
did we cheat in 2010? no.
if you're saying that we would have won titles if not for calciopoli, you're dead wrong. juventus did not win because of calciopoli. they won because they were always the better team in the late 90s and early 00s, calciopoli has become an excuse for moratti managing the club like a complete retard. they were always lightyears ahead of us. did controlling the refs help? of course, it likely gave them the push they needed. you forget how we cheated and doped our way to european titles in the 60s... does that mean we werent the better team then?
you also put it as if juve are the only ones cheating when so many other italian clubs are involved too. if they had a 'monopoly on the league' as you put it, how did roma and lazio win the titles in 2000 and 2001? how did milan win their titles in that period too? theres no doubt they had the most control, but that does not mean they controlled the league like it was a video game. what, only inter has been hard done by the "victimizing system"? "surely its because they stopped us, not that we were a team with no continuity in players/coach and no dressing room"
perhaps juve had a hand in it, but its very plausible they didn't.
however, this is not the point of the discussion. let me be clear that im not saying juve arent cheaters, because that flies straight in the face of fact. calciopoli was 100% justified, and if anything an underreaction. however, i will say the chances of inter not being complicit in cheating are close to zero.
ive read about how moratti has managed saras, to me this does not seem like a man with any principles and were also talking about italian football. you are delusional if you think inter, one of the biggest and most influential teams in this dirt soaked environment, is clean or cleaner than everyone else. and that weve survived this long in serie a without having a lot of dirt on our hands.
what, moratti decided to have some principles when it comes to football but its every-man-for-himself when it comes to saras? he has spent more than a billion dollars on this club. if anything all the money he has spent makes more of an incentive to cheat and take advantage of a broken system.
and now you're justifying the evidence
that exists of facchetti bribing referees?
then you say juve and only juve made it 'calcio law'? as if no one else cheats or wants to cheat?
everyone's scared of juve and trembling in their presence? this is italy we're talking about. the country has a long history with corruption, let alone pro football. if it wasn't juve who controlled the federation, i can guarantee you moratti or berlusconi would have jumped to fill that void.