Marco "Matrix" Materazzi

[Frisko]

It was obvious that FIFA would punish Matrix. He hasn't done anything out of the ordinary but FIFA were desperate to salvage Zidane's image.

You said it perfectly kawe, bravo!

That's EXACTLY what they've done. Some people should play with dolls instead of football, if you're going to assault somebody because he tells you you're a motherphucker or he'll phuck your sister, you're obviously escaped from the cookoo's nest.

 

[Hammoudi]

Salvage Zidane's image? Why on earth do you think FIFA would be so biased towards Zidane?

Heck, if they were in favour of superstars, why didn't they cover up the Maradona incident in 94 when he was 34 back then, would have probably been his last WC and FIFA was trying hard to market soccer in the US?

There is no bias towards Zidane, it's called promotion of fair play and class soccer, something I know Materazzi is alien to.

 

[catanha]

Catanha I want to ask you a point blank question and I want you to answer me truthfully with whatever sources you have without resorting to hearsay evidence. What in the world makes you insist that what the words exchanged between the two was of a racist nature? Materazzi has denied, Zidane has said that the insult concerned his family, all but confirming that a racist remark was not made. Add that to the fact that the FIFA representative came out today and said in an offical statement that the two apologized to each other and that the insult included nothing that was racist in nature, going on to stress this point.

If you have any credibility left show me some evidence besides some second hand tales from crack pot lip readers that confirm beyond a reasonable doubt that the insult made was racial in nature. If you can not prove it which I am almsot sure you will cant then shut the hell up and quit the lying you are just making yourself look like a jackass.

I read the first two lines of that waffle and I practically fell asleep.

less waffle and I'll think about answering your question.

Materazzi, you're now an International disgrace, the world knows it, the World Cup will now be remembered for that clumsy hack no name defender trying to make a name out of himself by getting the greatest sent off, you succeeded but you lost more.
Good job, ya farking hack!

 

[Miki]

There is no bias towards Zidane, it's called promotion of fair play and class soccer, something I know Materazzi is alien to.

I certainly hope not. Anyhow, FIFA have opened a can of worms that will be nigh-impossible to shut. By affirming Materazzi's guilt in his role with regards to the incident in particular, the world body has attested to their desire to crack down on taunting, insults, and the like.

Ciao,
Tim

 

[Miki]

I read the first two lines of that waffle and I practically fell asleep.

less waffle and I'll think about answering your question.

Here, I'll present the essential question inherent in Waleed's post.

What in the world makes you insist that what the words exchanged between the two was of a racist nature?

It's no waffle, all question.

Answer away, please.

Ciao,
Tim

 

[Gaetan]

Salvage Zidane's image? Why on earth do you think FIFA would be so biased towards Zidane?

I may be one of the Matrix doubters but actually, I think this is exactly what FIFA has been trying to do since the final.

Zidane's whole tournament left him looking like an icon up untill that point and there was basically nothing but this type of a disgrace that could tarnish his legacy because even if France lost, he would receive a hero's welcome just because of his masterful performance vs Brazil. However, receiving a red card in such a way has clearly put him below the greats of Pele and Maradona.

The Zidane fans could no longer argue that he is equal to Maradona, etc and FIFA fear they may be losing another "great" symbol for the sport if they didn't somehow make Matrix look like the villain.

Just the way I see things. The joke of a verdict further proves this, IMO. Zidane re-itterated that no racism took place and FIFA has been promoting no racial abuse. With the amount of shit talked in football or sports in general, they had no grounds whatsoever to ban Matrix.

Oh well, all's well end's well. Siam campioni del mondo!

 

[Waleed]

I certainly hope not. Anyhow, FIFA have opened a can of worms that will be nigh-impossible to shut. By affirming Materazzi's guilt in his role with regards to the incident in particular, the world body has attested to their desire to crack down on taunting, insults, and the like.

Ciao,
Tim

Exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. If they are going to confrim Materazzi as a guilty party then they must crack down on every single other person that takes a similar course of action on the field (ie: Henry in the Spain game).

Oh and thank you for shortening my post for catanha Tim. I could have easily worded more simply for him had I known that he would not even take the 3-4 mins to read a post that was addressed specifically to him but I did not want to leave him any loopholes in which to weasel his way in with an excuse.

 

[Hammoudi]

Zidane's whole tournament left him looking like an icon up untill that point and there was basically nothing but this type of a disgrace that could tarnish his legacy because even if France lost, he would receive a hero's welcome just because of his masterful performance vs Brazil. However, receiving a red card in such a way has clearly put him below the greats of Pele and Maradona.

And like I said, FIFA was trying to move heavens and earth back then to make that WC 'fun' to market it to the American audience. That shot of Maradona scoring against Greece and screaming in the cameras was one of the most memorable WC shots ever. If they had a history of superstar favouritism, then Maradona would have been spared that humiliating exist. (In fairness, Maradona claim his trainer gave him a drink that contained a substance, but FIFA wouldn't listen.)

The Zidane fans could no longer argue that he is equal to Maradona, etc and FIFA fear they may be losing another "great" symbol for the sport if they didn't somehow make Matrix look like the villain.

Wrong my friend.

Maradona left in much worse circumstances. Failing a drug test and being kicked out of your final WC is much worse. Still, FIFA didn't cover it up, and Maradona is still highly regarded as a living legend, some even say more than the more 'model' Pele.

FIFA knows better than to try and salvage Zidane's image. They know that his Ballon D'or, FIFA Playe of the Year, Champions League, League titles, WC crown and EC will be remembered more than a head-butt, at least in the long run.

 

[Gaetan]

Wrong my friend.

Maradona left in much worse circumstances. Failing a drug test and being kicked out of your final WC is much worse. Still, FIFA didn't cover it up, and Maradona is still highly regarded as a living legend, some even say more than the more 'model' Pele.

This is no secret but what's to say that FIFA do not regret the way Diego left?

I'm pretty sure that in Zidane they rather assure themselves of keeping Zizou's faithfull fans by banning some defender who doesn't even start for his national team under normal circumstances then drop down the frenchman a couple ranks in many peoples view.

Don't know if you catch my drift, though.

 

[K.I.]

Would you even bother defending Materazzi if the tables were turned?


What do you mean Zidane was right to headbutt the guy? That's barbarism! Violence as a measured response to verbal criticism has no place in society, let alone a football pitch.

Taunts and insults are part of daily life; you simply cannot go around punching someone for something they said.

It is simply, not right.

Where do we draw the line? According to you, if I insulted your mom, you have justifiable reasons to hit me.

Ergo, if I am to insult your entire family, shouldn't the response be equated exponentially? Should you shoot me?




Hmm. As I mentioned, if the tables were turned, would you be this sceptical with regards to the confessions of both players?

Like I said, this is how conspiracy theories form about.

Ciao,
Tim

Lol if the tables were turned i would have supported materazzi,but it also depends on the situation,but the fact is the tables are not turned,so its useless to tak about "if" and what not,i'll just stick to reality and to what has happened,the fact is materazzi said something he shouldnt have,wether racial or mother related,and this is plaing wrong.

What do you mean taunts and insults are part of daily life?they shouldnt especially about someone's mother or family,if someone was being serious and insults be by my mother or family i sure ass hell would smack him,i cant understand how you wouldnt if someone did the same to you,what is this question anyways,are we kids here?you insult me i insult you and we just keep on going?why would there be an insult in the first place?
your not making any sense.

Wether anyone likes it or not,materazzi said something to zidane,even tho i liked him i still didnt deny the fact that he is a dirty player,did what zidane do in a soccer match and disadvantage his team like that right?no but on the basis of him being family provoked,was he right to do so?yes,it doesnt matter if insults usually happen in football matches,it doesnt mean its right,your happy for materazzi?thats ok,you think he is a hero and he gave it to zidane with winning the WC?its your opinion but dont force your opinion that materazzi is inoccent in his duel wih zidane.

 

[snake]

Waleed, dont worry mate...you were first on board the bandwagon

 

[Waleed]

Waleed, dont worry mate...you were first on board the bandwagon

Well if I am on it might as well as kick everyone I can see off of it. That means you helal.

Still up for our badminton match? :howler: :lala:

 

[snake]

lol Sure, anytime. As I told Hamed, who hasnt been around much since i flogged him..

Bring it!

 

[Opeum]

support this guy!

 

[catanha]

Tim, be more polite and people may answer your questions, I think you're just being too aggressive. Answer more politely and I'll think of giving you a worth response.

Cheers, catanha.

 

[Miki]

Lol if the tables were turned i would have supported materazzi,but it also depends on the situation,but the fact is the tables are not turned,so its useless to tak about "if" and what not,i'll just stick to reality and to what has happened,the fact is materazzi said something he shouldnt have,wether racial or mother related,and this is plaing wrong.

I'm glad you have consented the point that insults are wrong.

You know what? I actually agree with you.

However, do you know what's even more grave than the act of spewing insults, taunts, et al?

Yes, you got it - Hitting someone as a form of measured response. That's what's even worse.

What do you mean taunts and insults are part of daily life?

Of course they are. They aren't nice, and they aren't right; however, insults are commonplace.

they shouldnt especially about someone's mother or family,if someone was being serious and insults be by my mother or family i sure ass hell would smack him

2 wrongs don't make a right, Khaled.

In this example, you are the proponent of a response that is not equatable with the cause.

Hitting someone for an insult? Yeesh, that's barbarism!

i cant understand how you wouldnt if someone did the same to you,what is this question anyways,are we kids here?

Why should I hit someone for insulting my mom?

I'm not that crude a person as you think I am, Khaled. Not everyone reacts to verbal critique in a manner analogous to your own.

you insult me i insult you and we just keep on going?why would there be an insult in the first place?
your not making any sense.

Yes, I know insults are wrong.

However, hitting someone is patently, not right.

In fact, you would be guilty of a crime that exceeds its boundary of reason.

Wether anyone likes it or not,materazzi said something to zidane,even tho i liked him i still didnt deny the fact that he is a dirty player,did what zidane do in a soccer match and disadvantage his team like that right?no but on the basis of him being family provoked,was he right to do so?yes,it doesnt matter if insults usually happen in football matches,it doesnt mean its right,your happy for materazzi?thats ok,you think he is a hero and he gave it to zidane with winning the WC?its your opinion but dont force your opinion that materazzi is inoccent in his duel wih zidane.

I am not declaring Materazzi's innocence, not at all.

Please, don't misinterpret my statements.

However, all I am simply trying to do, is to elucidate the absurdity of appropriating violent response to verbal critique.

Ciao,
Tim

 

[Miki]

Tim, be more polite and people may answer your questions, I think you're just being too aggressive. Answer more politely and I'll think of giving you a worth response.

Cheers, catanha.

What are you talking about? How was I not polite in my post?

This is a red herring argument on your part, catanha.

Ever since this incident reared its ugly head, you have been perpetuating senseless attacks on Materazzi and your fellow posters.

You slandered Materazzi's good name without a proper explanation as to how your opinions were derived. You maligned his character on the basis of misinformed conjecture.

Next, you persisted in calling your fellow posters Nazis; again, you haven't introduced a single shred of proof that substantiates your claim. This is also slander.

You owe the forum members an apology for your snide, spurious remarks.

Ciao,
Tim

 

[catanha]

that was a bit more polite, but I'm still not happy.

maybe next time.

ps. just so this post contains something about Materazzi:

he is scum.

 

[Miki]

that was a bit more polite, but I'm still not happy.

maybe next time.

ps. just so this post contains something about Materazzi:

he is scum.

Catanha, you may not feel the need to explain your intentions to me, but you certainly owe the rest of your fellow members an apology, at the least.

When someone makes a claim, they are burdened with the requirement of including evidence to substantiate their opinion.

Ciao,
Tim

 

[bennyblanco]

i think this issue has gone on long enough,nothing will change.

Matrix in my opinion and in many others will be remembered as a LEGEND.

i dont care what he said to ZZ,

all i know and respect is the players who say,quote

"WHAT HAPPENS ON THE FIELD STAYS ON THE FIELD",

if Inter was in the CL final and our player provoked another to the extent of the opposition player losing control and decking him i would applause at the

psychology and the smart thinking of our player regardless of what was said.

NBA players talk about their opponents "mommas",

rugby league players in Australia bait eachother about who their girlfriends have slept with,yet they dont carry on like ZZ and deck eachother.

i have seen worse things than baiting,like Miha calling viera a black-----,or frank rijkard spitting at voeller after they got sent off,

in football like in life most will do anything to win,and whoever has played sport in a serious level will testify to being baited,heckled,insulted.

but for a player of ZZ profile to fall for that is fkn comical,

ZIDANE will be remembered in my mind as a class player,who has had a serious aggresive mental state and who has proved his mental weaknesses to the world once too many times and who left his team when they needed him most in France 98 and Germany 2006.

to protect ZZ in any manner is wrong,his red card record speaks for itself.

when i tell my son about ZZ one day i will quote,

"never has a player been so influental on his teammates,never has a player let down his teammates down so much in the biggest games"thats it.France 98 was a fairytale for ZZ even though he left his country in the doldrums,
Germany 2006 is the horror story,

as for ZZ being better or close to Mara:yawn: ,

when maradonna was being killed by materazzi like tackles by Belgium players he didnt hit them or spit at them,he dribbled 6 of em and scored the greatest goal in the world ever,thats a legend:stuckup:

sadly ZZ has never done nothing close to that,NEVER