Lippi coaching Italy, the end of a dream...

[Frisko]

After the Italy v Wales game a new hope of a good national team was born...

Then came the disappointment of the Euro 2004 performances...

Now Lippi is coming, oh gosh this must be a nightmare...

 

[Pani]

The problem with Italy is that they must learn how to defend!!! :dielaugh:
We greeks can teach them! :dielaugh: :dielaugh:

 

[Frisko]

Many congratulations to the Greece team, they were simply outstanding tonight. They truly deserved the win. It's a shame that Karagounis will be suspended for the final though. He was on every ball tonight, can you replace him with someone as good?

 

[SB9Dragon]

Sucks that Kara is out... I was hoping that by him being in the final he could do so well and be named the MVP of the tourney raising his profile and forcing Mancini to start him since he would be considered a superstar

 

[Handoyo]

Nightmare??? Lippi, alongside with Capello, has been Italy's most successful coach in the past decade. Just because he had a shambolic season with Juve doesn't mean that he's turned bad. I'm happy that Lippi got the post actually. Coaches don't get worse through age, like players. But, Trap is an exception.


Handyo

 

[Frisko]

First thing, calling Lippi successful is a bit of an abomination! He's a big fat LOSER! He lost 3 Champions League finals in a row! He's in the record books with Del Piero for that!

Second, do you see how Juve played last season? Not exactly attacking football...Lippi's side was relying exclusively on set pieces, it was never able to impose its game.

Considering that very rarely the national team plays attacking football, no matter who's the coach, Lippi is no good news at all.

Italy was a complete disaster at Euro 2004, apart from the great game they had against Sweden. There were no injuries at all, only Totti suspension, but Totti played the game against Denmark, which was our worst I think.

Therefore, if we did so badly anyway, what are the chances we can do better in Germany? There are teams like Brasil and Argentina waiting for us...and important players could get injured...

 

[Handoyo]

First thing, calling Lippi successful is a bit of an abomination! He's a big fat LOSER! He lost 3 Champions League finals in a row! He's in the record books with Del Piero for that!

Five Scudetti. Enough said!!! And he won the CL too in 96 I think.

Second, do you see how Juve played last season? Not exactly attacking football...Lippi's side was relying exclusively on set pieces, it was never able to impose its game.

I don't give a d@mn if we play ultra offensive or defensive football, as long as we win. And Lippi has won everything there was in the past. One bad season doesn't make a good coach bad.

Considering that very rarely the national team plays attacking football, no matter who's the coach, Lippi is no good news at all.

Again, offensive football doesn't equal great success. Look at Greece and Porto this season. Disciplined defensive football can bring success too.

Italy was a complete disaster at Euro 2004, apart from the great game they had against Sweden. There were no injuries at all, only Totti suspension, but Totti played the game against Denmark, which was our worst I think.

And what does this gotta do with Lippi???

Therefore, if we did so badly anyway, what are the chances we can do better in Germany? There are teams like Brasil and Argentina waiting for us...and important players could get injured...

This is crazy but my answer to you is just one word. Cassano. That outragously talented prodigy will be more matured and experienced in 2 years time. And, this time, he may be selected as a starter, not for a bench role.



The only worry I have for Lippi is that if his head is still stuck in the past. I'm worried that he'll insist on using Del Piero instead of Cassano, where the latter has proven to be much better than the former. Lippi faced a daunting task and that is to bring up youth players to replace the youth. Vieri will be 33 by then. Will Lippi have the guts to replace Vieri with a younger striker??? Say, Gilardino for example. Lippi was crazy for not utlizing Juve's most promising midfielder, Maresca, last season. That remains as my only worry.

Juve may have a poor defensive record last season. But Lippi will now have the talents of Nesta, Cannavaro, Matrix and Ferarri in his hands now. They are certainly better than Montero, Legrotagliatele or Iuliano. Italia has one of the most talented squad on the planet. They just need to be geled up together. And I believe, Lippi can do that.


Handyo

 

[Frisko]

Right, let's see:

1) I don't like the philosophy "play bad, get the result". Juve does that and they're free to do so. But I think it's rubbish and I was ashamed of Italy during Euro 2000, they were just disgraceful and they gave Italian football a very bad reputation.

2) Italy has played terrible football during major competions, always. We are known as the Catenaccio Team, which basically means that we defend with 10 men and we try and steal a goal. The only sparks came from one man, Roberto Baggio, who managed to make us dream at USA94. Handoyo, you say: who cares, we need to win, no matter how. Well we don't even do that! We haven't won anything since 1982! We defend and defend, then we crash out on penalties. And what do we do after? Moan, moan, moan. And then we play exactly the same in 2 years time.

3) Lippi has won one Champions League on penalties against Ajax in 1996. His international record with Juve is all but impressive. Juve has been struggling in Europe with him, always, getting to many draws, and crashing out.

4) If Greece plays defensive, I understand. They haven't got major talents, only decent players. We went to Euro 2004 playing with Totti, Del Piero, Cassano, Vieri...for what?? So Cannavaro can play long balls looking for Vieri? In the national team we play the same football that teams in the bottom half of the table in serie A play. Is that good? No it's not.

5) I just made some comments about Lippi and about the national team in general, if you don't mind. The fact that the subject of the thread is Lippi doesn't mean that I can't SLIGHTLY wonder off topic, right?

 

[Handoyo]

1) I don't like the philosophy "play bad, get the result". Juve does that and they're free to do so. But I think it's rubbish and I was ashamed of Italy during Euro 2000, they were just disgraceful and they gave Italian football a very bad reputation.

I'm not saying that we should play bad. I'm saying that I don't mind if Italy play bad. The critics can take their "Italy is anti-football" opinion and shove it up their arse.

2) Italy has played terrible football during major competions, always. We are known as the Catenaccio Team, which basically means that we defend with 10 men and we try and steal a goal. The only sparks came from one man, Roberto Baggio, who managed to make us dream at USA94. Handoyo, you say: who cares, we need to win, no matter how. Well we don't even do that! We haven't won anything since 1982! We defend and defend, then we crash out on penalties. And what do we do after? Moan, moan, moan. And then we play exactly the same in 2 years time.[/quote]
Yes, and let's hope the trend stops with Lippi. As far as I can remember, Lippi wasn't a very defensive coach at all. He's balanced IMO.

3) Lippi has won one Champions League on penalties against Ajax in 1996. His international record with Juve is all but impressive. Juve has been struggling in Europe with him, always, getting to many draws, and crashing out.

I beg to differ. Lippi reached the CL final 4 times, winning it once. Don't look at the fact that he lost 3 finals. Look at the fact that he's able to take a team to be the second best in Europe for 4 seasons. There aren't many coach with a better record!!!

4) If Greece plays defensive, I understand. They haven't got major talents, only decent players. We went to Euro 2004 playing with Totti, Del Piero, Cassano, Vieri...for what?? So Cannavaro can play long balls looking for Vieri? In the national team we play the same football that teams in the bottom half of the table in serie A play. Is that good? No it's not.

But that was Trap. This time, it's Lippi.

5) I just made some comments about Lippi and about the national team in general, if you don't mind. The fact that the subject of the thread is Lippi doesn't mean that I can't SLIGHTLY wonder off topic, right?

Oh. Yeah. Of course. We can talk about Italy NT in general. So, all in all, like you, I think Italy has under-achieved over the last decade or so. And Italy's long ball defensive tactic in Euro 2004 certainly didn't work. But, that is why Trap is sacked and Lippi is hired. I don't like the Trap, but not because he is defensive, but because he don't win with Italy. Let's hope that with Lippi it will change.

Let me pop a question for you, do you mind if we are branded anti-football but we won the WC 2006???


Handyo

 

[Pravesh]

I see no reason why Italy is in bad hands ??

Lippi is a good coach, he just failed in Inter, but that's normal ...

all coaches have failed in inter ..

lets just hope that the saga doesn't continue with MANCINI

 

[Baggio]

lets just hope that the saga doesn't continue with MANCINI

And what does this gotta do with Lippi???

 

[Pravesh]

lets just hope that the saga doesn't continue with MANCINI

And what does this gotta do with Lippi???

I thought I was clear in my earlier post
when I said :

I see no reason why Italy is in bad hands ??

Lippi is a good coach, he just failed in Inter, but that's normal ...

all coaches have failed in inter ..

lets just hope that the saga doesn't continue with MANCINI

and the topic of this thread is on ITALIAN new coach LIPPI

 

[Baggio]

I was just joking Pravesh!!!

I was copying Handoyo in his earlier post!!!

Do you get it man??

Dont be hatin...

 

[Frisko]

Usually after 1 or 2 games I end up hoping that Italy will crash out and cheering for their opponents. I was glad when we got knocked out at Euro 2004.

I guess I'll have to shove it Andoyo, cause I think Italy is the anti-football too.

If Inter reached the CL final 4 times and only won 1 on penalties I'd jump off a bridge! Losing a final is the whole deal, nobody remembers 2nd!

Lippi is not balanced, he's defensive and his teams don't play, they wait and wait for a goal to fall off the sky, and he'll always go for the 1-0 win. Yuk :yuck:

 

[Pravesh]

I was just joking Pravesh!!!

I was copying Handoyo in his earlier post!!!

Do you get it man??

Dont be hatin...

I didn't mind that as well .... I was not hatin ....

Just got curious if I was misunderstood

 

[InteristaMensur]

I didn't mind that as well .... I was not hatin ....

Just got curious if I was misunderstood

You need psychiatrist :depress:



it`s joke dont be hatin :dielaugh:

 

[Frisko]

Lol Lol Mensur you crack me up!! :dielaugh:

 

[Gismo]

Right, let's see:

1) I don't like the philosophy "play bad, get the result"

You do realize what you just wrote, right? When you get the result you usually always get what you want. Hence you play well. Mission Accomplished.

So it is quite rare that you play bad and still get the result.

On another note I think it is unfair to call Italy "the anti-football"! And for that matter any team. Because everyone tries to win in their own way.

And IMO they should be allowed to do that without facing complaints about the entertaining value!! It really is absurd...

Why can´t they just go watch a movie instead if they don´t like the "boring" match of soccer on TV anyway???

Instead of calling a NT or club negative names like "anti-soccer" they just IMHO should try and praise the players if they accidently happens to entertain you.

Calling any football team the "anti-soccer team" just proves that they misunderstood the sport. They simply misunderstood that soccer is about winning... Well at least to be me soccer is about trying to win watches or draw them if that is what you need at the certain point of time in order to reach a great victory like say: CL...

Entertainment in soccer really is a bonus for me. Personally.

That´s my 50 cent on this matter.

 

[Frisko]

I don't agree, I think that a team should play according to the ability of their players. Therefore, if Greece won Euro 2004 playing in defence that's ok by me, what are they supposed to do?

When Italy plays like that, then I ask myself: why are Totti-Del Piero-Cassano-Pirlo-Fiore playing? What do we need these players for if all we do is just defend and try to get long balls from the central defenders to the big centre forward?

If you accept anything you get in football then you take the fun out of it I think... A great part of this sport is the exchange of opinions, and this forum is proof of that

 

[Marco The Butcher]

Ok, this is the first time i come across this topic.
Very interesting arguments by the users here, and really i have to agree with every word "Frisko" mentioned about teams, national teams in particular. And the way you described Greece approach to win the Euro cup is really "in place" and the way their used according to the player's abilities are just 100% correct.