Lautaro Martinez

[Hikonyán]

Its a nonsensical comparison as 99% of todays wingers (and for quite many years now) are inverted wingers bordering on being inside forwards.

Completely different players to traditional wingers in the gigs/beckham/Figo/traditional winger mold, who were often wide midfielders than actual wide forwards like todays inverted wingers, who mainly cuts inside and rarely goes backline to cross like the traditional wingers did.

brehme1989 - Salah is one of the best performers in a system, he struggles anywhere else. Egypt isn't doing any better with him labelled as world class for example, they actually stopped winning.

Struggles everywhere else? Where exactly has he struggled that proves that absurd claim? Chelsea at age 21? Give me a break How do you know that he struggles outside that system considering he has only played for two clubs since breaking through at Roma at age 23 in 15/16?

Also he has 56 goals in 98 matches for Eqypt, i doubt they would be better off without.

 

[Meysam]

Salah is not a wc player to me. He is so overrated and he even couldn’t make any significant difference in Egypt national team or somewhere else as far as I remember.
This is the same as Mane. He left Liver and had shitty performance in Bayern and ended up in All Nassr.

 

[IL Fenomeno]

Salah is not a wc player to me. He is so overrated and he even couldn’t make any significant difference in Egypt national team or somewhere else as far as I remember.
This is the same as Mane. He left Liver and had shitty performance in Bayern and ended up in All Nassr.

Dude, the bias with you is real. Salah is one the best players of the recent years. Just check out some stats. He is in pretty much every top10 goal/assist table

 

[brehme1989]

So?
He excels in a great system.

He wasn't that player at Roma. It's not like he took a magic potion and 4 months later at Liverpool he became a 30 goals player. Same guy, same talent, same mentality. Different system, different team, different opposition. That's what changed.

He isn't that player in Egypt against much inferior opposition either.

Of course he's a class player, but he's not one of the best players of all time. He's hardly one of the best of his generation.
Luis Figo was one of the best players in the world during the prime of Ronaldo, Zidane, Totti, Rivaldo, Batistuta, Maldini, Zanetti and all those other great players.

 

[Nothing]

Figo peaked at Barca, he went downhill after joining Real. Dude was inconsistent af. He would struggle in current football.

 

[brehme1989]

Figo peaked at Barca, he went downhill after joining Real. Dude was inconsistent af. He would struggle in current football.

Figo was Real's best player for like 3 seasons in a row, bro

 

[Hikonyán]

Figo was Real's best player for like 3 seasons in a row, bro

With Zidane joining a year later and being clearly the best player in the world? Seems counterintuitive...

 

[brehme1989]

With Zidane joining a year later and being clearly the best player in the world? Seems counterintuitive...

Zidane was the best player in the world based on reputation and because of the mythical CL final goal. Anyone who was watching Real Madrid at the time knows that Figo was their actual leader for the first couple of years.

Figo was the best player of Real Madrid in 2000-1, 2001-2 and arguably for most of 2003-4. In 2002-3 he was not really shying away in quality from Zidane and Ronaldo, those three were on par.

You may not remember or didn't follow at the time, but Zidane was considered very inconsistent and only cemented himself as the most important player and the team's leader in the 2003-4 season which ended in catastrophy. It's not like Real Madrid was steamrolling everyone just because they had the world's best players.

Figo wasn't loved by media or neutrals because he was considered a "mercenary", so you won't see many accolades that are based on popularity. So much, that even the Portugese media stopped voting him the best Portuguese player after that move and gave that award to Petit and Quaresma instead of prime Figo...


But ask Real Madrid fans from those days, they'll all say it was mostly Luis Figo setting the tone. Zidane was a late bloomer everywhere he went. He was at his best for Real Madrid from 2003 to 2006. Between 2001 and 2003 he had some great moments but he wasn't consistent.

 

[Hikonyán]

Zidane was the best player in the world based on reputation and because of the mythical CL final goal.

Thats entirely subjective.

No objective person would ever consider Figo a better player than Zidane.

Figo wasn't loved by media or neutrals because he was considered a "mercenary"

Relevance? Laudrup did the same, was arguably better than both at his absolute prime. Was loved by neutrals and the media and the the king and and and even now by both fans? But relevance? He never won anything indivudal., while he should have as well. Changes nothing.

 

[brehme1989]

Thats entirely subjective.

No objective person would ever consider Figo a better player than Zidane.

I didn't say he was a better player individually, I said he was the best performer for Real Madrid. And that's true. Figo played his absolute best at every game. Zidane didn't even need to turn it on every game and whenever he did he was spectacular.

This is an extreme counter example, but think of Inter between 1999 and 2002. Vieri was the best player at the club but obviously Ronaldo was a level ahead when he played. Unfortunately, not so much, but that's the gist of it here.

Of course with Zidane it's difference as he was also on the pitch at the same time
But he was saving his energy for the big games and he let everyone else do their thing during the season. He was called "lazy" more often than not. And because the word in Spanish has "Perez" in it, there were lots of wordplays...

Relevance? Laudrup did the same, was arguably better than both at his absolute prime. Was loved by neutrals and the media and the the king and and and even now by both fans? But relevance? He never won anything indivudal., while he should have as well. Changes nothing.

Laudrup was not the leader of the club in such a way and they essentially had to choose between him or Cruyff. There's a lot of relevance. And yes, he was loved by all. Still is. Different cases although the impact was similar.
Hagi also played for both, so did Ronaldo, indirectly of course. Don't think anyone is hated by the other fanbase. Figo is. Just like Luis Enrique is on the other end.

 

[Meysam]

Dude, the bias with you is real. Salah is one the best players of the recent years. Just check out some stats. He is in pretty much every top10 goal/assist table

I agree that he is a great player but he is not a wc player imo. defenitation of a wc player to me is showcasing almost the same(high) performance in different clubs under different coaches. I blv he would end up like Mane if he leaves Liver. beside, there have been some players who have had world class performance only under one coach or in one club. so he is not even close to someone like Figo who had been great everywhere he had played: Barca, Real Madrid, National Team.

 

[IM21]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1764374746106314882

 

[IL Fenomeno]

So?
He excels in a great system.

He wasn't that player at Roma. It's not like he took a magic potion and 4 months later at Liverpool he became a 30 goals player. Same guy, same talent, same mentality. Different system, different team, different opposition. That's what changed.

He isn't that player in Egypt against much inferior opposition either.

Of course he's a class player, but he's not one of the best players of all time. He's hardly one of the best of his generation.
Luis Figo was one of the best players in the world during the prime of Ronaldo, Zidane, Totti, Rivaldo, Batistuta, Maldini, Zanetti and all those other great players.

No one said he is one of the greats of all time but in my book he is certainly one of the best of his generation.

He was already good at Roma and some Players peek later in their carreer like Vardy for instance.

Look what Salah did at Liverpool for years. He carried them on his back quiet often and contributed massively to all their silverware.

Just watch some highlights videos on youtube of this guy and your jaw will drop down. The plays Salah did on regular basis are insane.

You don't get all the individual awards (england player of the year, 2 times top5 ballon dor etc.) he has because you just fit the system

 

[Hikonyán]

I didn't say he was a better player individually, I said he was the best performer for Real Madrid. And that's true. Figo played his absolute best at every game. Zidane didn't even need to turn it on every game and whenever he did he was spectacular.

This is an extreme counter example, but think of Inter between 1999 and 2002. Vieri was the best player at the club but obviously Ronaldo was a level ahead when he played. Unfortunately, not so much, but that's the gist of it here.

Of course with Zidane it's difference as he was also on the pitch at the same time
But he was saving his energy for the big games and he let everyone else do their thing during the season. He was called "lazy" more often than not. And because the word in Spanish has "Perez" in it, there were lots of wordplays...



Laudrup was not the leader of the club in such a way and they essentially had to choose between him or Cruyff. There's a lot of relevance. And yes, he was loved by all. Still is. Different cases although the impact was similar.
Hagi also played for both, so did Ronaldo, indirectly of course. Don't think anyone is hated by the other fanbase. Figo is. Just like Luis Enrique is on the other end.

Vieri was a great goalscorer and one of italy's best 'pure strikers' ever. But lets be honests, in todays game, he wouldnt make it. But it was also a different time and different football being played. One could say that cupers football alowed him be the 'best player'. Though objectively the defense where key.

Figo at real were a different player from the quick smooth player at real though. If figo was ever near the winger role of today, it would be in his barca days. A very intelligent player realizing his pace wouldnt last forever, utilized that more and more away from a winger role to a playmaking role. And at inter he made that even more noticable. Very intelligent player, but i dont agree about the Zidane thing.

As far as Laudrup is concerned, perhaps my favourite 10 of all time, as you mentioned, the beef he had with cruyff (and lets be real, cruyff was an a-hole) surely lead to why he isnt Figo status among the barca fan base and mostly loved today.

 

[armendsh]

Dont know what is the fuss about Zidane why people consider him in same calibre with
the likes of RONALDINHO,MESSI,RONALDO,CRONALDO
these are wayy better than zidane in every aspect , Zidane was like Pogba is now, best midfield in the world when he wants but just for 1 season and then 3 seasons average..
He was inconsistent , for ex de bruyne is like a freak so many assists so many games always playing good and being man of the match
Zidane didnt have that , but 1 vs 1 ofc Zidane is undoubdly the best in the world, maybe only Iniesta is behind him..

Figo on other hand hes like Filipo Inzaghi of Wingers hes smth special but not in level of Zidane definitely

 

[wera]

I don't want to be a smartass, because I didn't really watch Juve and Real Madrid games, but I remember Zidane for France and his highlight reels are crazy.

There are players that optimized their talents better into multiple trophies, but Zidane was that dude when a big game was on. One of the best first touches in football ever. Together with Ronaldo and Rivaldo they made me fall in love with football.

 

[brehme1989]

Yeah Zidane stepped up when it mattered (to him)
And he got upset when he couldn't turn it on, hence the amount of in game headbutts which requires more than 1 hand to count.


People are sleeping on Figo because maybe they saw the slower version after his 30s and player that came to Inter. Barcelona Figo and early Real Madrid Figo was immense. And always showed up, unlike Zidane.

 

[wera]

I love Figo. Both are legends for a reason.

 

[CafeCordoba]

I read Lautaro has never scored against Genoa.

 

[Besnik]

I read Lautaro has never scored against Genoa.

He's scoring tonight then