Lautaro Martinez

[rfU]

So I don't think he is world class, but he has everything to be a Balon D'or winner, he just needs that one perfect season. Maybe 2023/24?

there's a bit of queue going there, Haaland, Bellingham and Mbappe are obvious choices. Kane is still scoring for fun. Then Rodri as the best midfielder right now. Toro needs to do something on the big stage. Atletico would be a great start.

 

[wera]

Let me trigger a bomb then run: "Who between peak-Icardi and Lautaro is more world-class?"

Icardi went to a better team and couldn't really assert himself into more stardom. He was close that one season but they lost the CL final.

While Lautaro has done huge heavy lifting since coming here. Apart from finishing, Lautaro has him in everything or is Icardi's equal. Yeah, even positioning in attack.

 

[Besnik]

Let me trigger a bomb then run: "Who between peak-Icardi and Lautaro is more world-class?"

Not exactly a proper comparision since they're different players but I think Lautaro is better in overall if you consider all the characteristics he possesses.

And both have done or are doing pretty well in their eras. Icardi was exceptional during his time here, and Lautaro is doing amazing nowadays as well. I don't think Lautaro will be as deadly as Icardi was in the box, while I also think Icardi would never be as good as Lautaro in build-up play contribution or pure excellence with the ball.

But gotta admit, Icardi was balling in a worse team while Lautaro is shining in a more competitive side. Well, Icardi was part of an excellent team in PSG which was more a team of paper because in the pitch they were hardly any convincing. We are talking about a collective sport which requires a whole group to be working properly, which never happened in PSG because of various reasons.

 

[YoramG]

Let me trigger a bomb then run: "Who between peak-Icardi and Lautaro is more world-class?"

Interesting question, because I'd argue that we haven't even seen Lautaro's peak yet, and that it's difficult to find the exact moment that Icardi was at his best with us.

I'd probably argue this game:

(PSV 1 - 2 Inter) was top 4/5 times Icardi ever played for us, along with the hat-trick against Milan, Inter - Juve 2-1, and one of the Fiorentina games where he scored 4? Clinical, more involved with the team than usual, swinging in some really good balls when he pulled wide, and putting in some defensive work.

Now, I've seen Lautaro play like this at least 10 times in the past 3 years at Inter, which I think answers the question for me. Icardi might be more clinical, but Lautaro as an all around player when fit and focused is phenomenal and now that he's adding better finishing to his game? I don't think there's any competition anymore.

 

[#NotForMe]

I remember I was one of the few saying Kaku was not world class based on his stint here. One season changed all that and didn't take long. Like Kaku before him, Toro is thriving in under the right conditions. No one has ever doubted his quality, but world class is a different tier which is thrown around haphazardly without appropriate context (level of opposition) or clear definition.

Recoba was never world class. Talented? Yes. But never considered among the best in the world. Sheva had back problems at Chelsea and numerous individual accolades to back up his claim as WC including a Ballon dor. Crespo was never committed at Chelsea, Mourinho said as much, but 2x UCL final goals give him some clout as well top goal scorer back when the serie a was the number one league in the world. Milito 2x finals goals on the biggest stage of European football... Ditto Inzaghi (don't think he's world class though), Toro has never reached these moments save for a WC penalty goal in a tournament where he was very subpar. Batigol played his entire prime for a mid table team but was at one time the best striker when the league was the world's best.

Lukaku was never world class we can agree on that.
Toro has been thriving in many conditions already.
He was injured during the World Cup; and I can name a few strikers just don't perform on their national team, which is not the case for Toro, all i have to say "Copa América". Henry, Totti, Del Perio all did subpar with the national team, like ever.
Also if doing well on national team means world class, Klose, Podolski are world class.

As much as I like Crespo, I think Toro surpassed him.

I mean just name a few you think that could be better than Toro right now, this season, which I think it can still be subjective, Mabappe, Haaland, Kane, Lewandowski?
This is still not world class? I mean he is not the GOAT, but who would you like to have instead of him as a player right now with us?

Pressing and playmaking make him a well rounded striker, not world class. It makes him perfect for our system, much like Muller at Bayern. But Muller has a WC golden boot. Meanwhile, Toro has close to no personal accolades to speak of. And that's ok. He has plenty of time.

Okay this makes him a world class complete striker.

 

[brehme1989]

Henry, Totti, Del Perio all did subpar with the national team, like ever.

On Del Piero, sure.
Henry did okay in his first two major tournaments as a young player but he was never great as one of the teams leaders.

Totti on the other hand was Italy's best player in 2000 and 2002 and one of the best of those tournaments. He was injured in 2006 but still managed to be somehow influential.
And Italy sucked in 2004, one of the reasons being that Totti was suspended.

 

[ath]

Lukaku was never world class we can agree on that.
Toro has been thriving in many conditions already.
He was injured during the World Cup; and I can name a few strikers just don't perform on their national team, which is not the case for Toro, all i have to say "Copa América". Henry, Totti, Del Perio all did subpar with the national team, like ever.
Also if doing well on national team means world class, Klose, Podolski are world class.

As much as I like Crespo, I think Toro surpassed him.

I mean just name a few you think that could be better than Toro right now, this season, which I think it can still be subjective, Mabappe, Haaland, Kane, Lewandowski?
This is still not world class? I mean he is not the GOAT, but who would you like to have instead of him as a player right now with us?





Okay this makes him a world class complete striker.

Actually ? Certainly not Lewandowki.

 

[bubba zanetti]

Lol for claim that Totti never performed for Italy, he was their best player in Euro 2000 and one of the best in WC 2006.

 

[Meysam]

Let me trigger a bomb then run: "Who between peak-Icardi and Lautaro is more world-class?"

There are two types of different strikers from different eras and teams. In my opinion, you can't compare them in proper ways. bc, your personal preference has a huge effect on your judgment. plus, I think it's too early to compare Lauti to anyone cus he hasn't reached his peak yet, and he will likely have better days for sure if he maintains his current form.

 

[qb4ever_2k]

Lautaro has been nominated twice for Ballon d'Or top 30 and is on track for another nomination. He's world class by every definition of world class.

 

[PHM1605]

There are two types of different strikers from different eras and teams. In my opinion, you can't compare them in proper ways. bc, your personal preference has a huge effect on your judgment. plus, I think it's too early to compare Lauti to anyone cus he hasn't reached his peak yet, and he will likely have better days for sure if he maintains his current form.

It's the same as saying "My favorite player is in a weaker position so let's find an excuse to avoid comparison"
Ofc there's no player is exactly the same as another. But people still compare Messi vs Ronaldo everywhere

 

[delaurentis]

Lautaro has been nominated twice for Ballon d'Or top 30 and is on track for another nomination. He's world class by every definition of world class.

LM was to inconsistent to be among the very best, in my opinion.
So far he has shown consistenty on a high level, if he can carry this through throughout the season. Then yes, I'd definitely consider him WC.

 

[armendsh]

You think Toro is not world class
Tell me Except Halaand , mbappe, Kane which Striker would you think is better than him and will be even better later in his career considering hes young ..
If you tell me 10 more names than i agree hes not WC.

 

[#NotForMe]

On Del Piero, sure.
Henry did okay in his first two major tournaments as a young player but he was never great as one of the teams leaders.

Totti on the other hand was Italy's best player in 2000 and 2002 and one of the best of those tournaments. He was injured in 2006 but still managed to be somehow influential.
And Italy sucked in 2004, one of the reasons being that Totti was suspended.

My point was they are at least no way close to their "world class" club performances, so Henry kinda proves my point.

Totti, I don't know, I only watched 3 Italy games in 2000 Euro, Final, Semi, and group stage against Romania? I think, he didn't stand out to me at that time, I don't trust my memory that well though, only that cheeky penalty sticks with me, he wasn't bad but not the Totti in the League. Also Toldo and Cannavaro stood out a lot more than Totti. I remember people were even saying Buffon (injured at that time?) won't be taking Toldo's position after that Euro.

2002 I cannot tell 100% they were even struggling getting out of group stage if I recalled correctly, but I personally think Trapattoni might be the cause of the strikers or attack players less shiny, even I think he played AMF; still nothing stand out, I would say Vieri was a bigger player than him. (Also that disgrace ref anyway)

2004 that spit LOL? but i dont think Italy sucked, like they always struggle in group stage with or without him, but yea that year was kinda the decline of Vieri?; if it wasn't Demark and Sweden they might have gone very far, who knows, on paper they were strong.

2006 he was just pathetic to me, I think he only contribution he had was the penalty against Australia, the impact he had was shifting opponents' focus away from Pirlo.

Anyway my point is Club Totti > National Team Totti quite significantly.

 

[#NotForMe]

Actually ? Certainly not Lewandowki.

yea I really typed in the "?" cause I was so like maybe for giving them the advantage

 

[Meysam]

It's the same as saying "My favorite player is in a weaker position so let's find an excuse to avoid comparison"
Ofc there's no player is exactly the same as another. But people still compare Messi vs Ronaldo everywhere

I see your point, but I'd rather wait and do this comparison a couple of years later.
Besides, Ronaldo and Messi's prime was almost at the same time, while Icardi is approaching the end of his career, on the other hand, Lauti has not reached his prime while he is young and have time to have more improvements.

 

[Raul Duke]

Penalty aside, he had a decent game.

Hopefully the injury is nothing serious.

 

[bubba zanetti]

He missed a penalty in a second half, in a game that we dominated 95 minutes. But better to say nothing I guess.

 

[uny_arturo]

He missed a penalty in a second half, in a game that we dominated 95 minutes. But better to say nothing I guess.

Let's not assess his performance by that penalty shall we? He's never been good at taking penalty. The issue is he's our second penalty taker after Calha. I remember Inzaghi's preference is Calha>Lauti>Alexis. We need to revamp that order. Hasn't Dimarco scored one for us before?

 

[bubba zanetti]

Let's not assess his performance by that penalty shall we? He's never been good at taking penalty. The issue is he's our second penalty taker after Calha. I remember Inzaghi's preference is Calha>Lauti>Alexis. We need to revamp that order. Hasn't Dimarco scored one for us before?

You didnt get my point. But lets blame Sensi instead for loss tonight.