Inter - Torino (9 Mar 14)

[thatdude]

Sometimes I wish our fans were more like EPL fans, but without the delusions of grandeur.

 

[Nyall]

lol


our fans are terrible. damn them and their magical powers that make us terrible at home. especially since we're perfect away. damn them for not being entertained or for expecting us to beat teams in the relegation zone. damn them for not appreciating Mazzari's tactics that has no faults at all and can only be weakened by the boos of our own, damn them for hating the Kuzmanovic - the man who rightfully should have won the Balon D'or last year - and damn them even more for even daring to want guys like Kovacic or Taider starting.

They need to be taught how to be real fans, fans who blindly defend and find ways to justify everything he does, which in turn makes them superior to all others, who dare question him.

p.s. my fellow 'MURICANS, the your precious EPL fans boo, as well. see those at the Trafford of Old.

 

[Jerry]

great post, Ny

is that a TIE Fighter? blivious:

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Oh you decided to actually write something....

All hail the king of the straw men!

Bottom Line: that atmosphere has been shit at home lately, and it's not helping performances. We can leave it at that without "blaming" anyone. I dare you to try and argue with that.

PS - how about we leave nationalities out of it, eh?

 

[JJM]

well the Ultras booed Zlatan after he won us 2 Scudetti,a pure legend like Cuchu...are you surprised that they are booing lesser names who don't preform?!

Also I don't want to offend no one...but you N.Americans actually been to the San Siro stadium or any other Italian stadium on match day?!

I was on the Udinese stadium back in 08 when a prick from Udine called Zlatan a "slavo"=slavic guy and a "zingaro"=gypsy and not in a good way .Since I'm a "slavo" too...I just wanted to punch the mofo but I would be roosted by the other Udinese fans in a heartbeat.There is a lot of teritorial discrimination,racism going on the stadiums.The booing seems sometimes normal compared to the other stuff I now mentioned.

 

[Nyall]

the performances have been shit at home lately and it's not helping atmosphere.

In all my years of watching sports have I have ever a home crowd in any sport boo their team after a good hard fought performance, regardless of their result [except maybe the idiotic toronto raptors fans who booed their teams a few times because they didn't score a hundred points getting them a free slice of pizza].

this began as a talking point because of a Mazzari excuse, as a reason as to why he isn't delivering results against even the league's worst teams. he'd never blame himself or the shit he calls tactics but instead blamed the fans. is any surprise that his apologists are repeating it? there is no foundation behind it at all. we've done better at home [6-6-1] than away [4-5-4] than away. what is he gonna come up with next?

 

[Jerry]

well the Ultras booed Zlatan after he won us 2 Scudetti,a pure legend like Cuchu...are you surprised that they are booing lesser names who don't preform?!

Also I don't want to offend no one...but you N.Americans actually been to the San Siro stadium or any other Italian stadium on match day?!

I've been to San Siro three times. Once for UCL group stage, once for Derby della Madonnina and once for Derby d'Italia (Sept 2013). UCL was pathetically empty (there was no curva closure). Both derbies Inter fans showed up well but were equally matched (if not bested) by visiting fans. Vs. Rube, many in the curva made monkey noises at Pogba. At that point, I was thoroughly disgusted and even embarrassed to be associated with them.

I understand booing your own club during the match is not out of the ordinary in Italy (Europe?), but it is for me. It's totally counter-productive and IMO self-indulgent (much like some of the rhetoric around here :rollani. Speaking generally, and without getting overly moralistic, I don't hold Inter tifosi in the highest regard.

this began as a talking point because of a Mazzari excuse, as a reason as to why he isn't delivering results against even the league's worst teams. he'd never blame himself or the shit he calls tactics but instead blamed the fans. is any surprise that his apologists are repeating it? there is no foundation behind it at all. we've done better at home [6-6-1] than away [4-5-4] than away. what is he gonna come up with next?

Our record is better at home than it is away? That's how it's supposed to be. The atmosphere is just one of the factors that aught to lead to better results at home. Unfortunately for us, that's not much of an advantage for Inter lately at San Siro. No foundation behind it at all? You don't think players being booed at home every time they touch the ball has a negative impact on performance? Have you ever played a competitive sport?

Also, it's not really fair to label people apologists just because they don't have hateful avatars and complain constantly. Mazzarri has not been great, but we're still doing better than last season. There's a strong middle ground between hailing Mazzarri as a genius and where you stand. I understand it's easier to argue against straw men, but let's try to be reasonable, please.

 

[Choppin Onions]

Didn't watch Roma game. Will most likely pass on this one too. Also, didn't realize Cambiasso was back. Has he been given his contract renewal yet?

 

[Nyall]

Our record is better at home than it is away? That's how it's supposed to be.

so then there is an advantage to playing at home?

The atmosphere is just one of the factors that aught to lead to better results at home. Unfortunately for us, that's not much of an advantage for Inter lately at San Siro.

don't you think that tactics that pretty much resemble parking the bus are an even bigger contributor to these poor results?

No foundation behind it at all? You don't think players being booed at home every time they touch the ball has a negative impact on performance?

you have continually dodged my response to this. poor performance is what led to the booing. normally it doesn't get to that stage for other clubs, because good coaches rotate out underperforming players, not start them every game and then sub them out after another shitty performance. see Kuzmanovic.

Also, it's not really fair to label people apologists just because they don't have hateful avatars and complain constantly.

apologist - a person who offers an argument in defense of something/someone being criticized or attacked by other people.

mind telling me what you are then?

Mazzarri has not been great, but we're still doing better than last season.

If just doing better was the reason we brought in mazzari then we should have kept Strama. He would have done better as well with no Europe to add fatigue, no injury crisis, much better players and more depth. Mazzari was brought in to get 3rd minimum and he up until this point has failed. what's worse is that no development has occurred during his tenure.

 

[TheNetworkZ]

Must you guys constantly bitch at each other in EVERY thread?

 

[Jerry]

so then there is an advantage to playing at home?

Of course, but not as much as there should be. Lack of travel, comfortable locker rooms, more generous officiating, familiarity - just to name a few. These things don't really depend on the fans.

don't you think that tactics that pretty much resemble parking the bus are an even bigger contributor to these poor results?

I'd say results are more of the issue. If we were parking and winning, everything would be hunky dory.

you have continually dodged my response to this. poor performance is what led to the booing. normally it doesn't get to that stage for other clubs, because good coaches rotate out underperforming players, not start them every game and then sub them out after another shitty performance. see Kuzmanovic.

The protest in question occurred before the Catania match after a string of poor results. I can understand the fans frustration, and you're right that the boos are a reflection of performance. That doesn't justify it, though. It only leads to worse performance. Unless sabotage is the goal, this cycle is counter-productive.

apologist - a person who offers an argument in defense of something/someone being criticized or attacked by other people.

mind telling me what you are then?

Relatively neutral in terms of Mazzarri. The term apologist has a negative connotation. That definition is apt, however, in that the extreme views on this forum have driven me (and others) to feel the need to constantly defend him.

If just doing better was the reason we brought in mazzari then we should have kept Strama. He would have done better as well with no Europe to add fatigue, no injury crisis, much better players and more depth.

Maybe. Who's making excuses now?

Mazzari was brought in to get 3rd minimum

Not sure about this.

what's worse is that no development has occurred during his tenure.

No development? You're overstating your case again. Icardi is starting to come on strong. Taider has had his moments. Juan looks great lately, when he's not punching people.

With the Asado clan still in the squad, this season was never going to be about youth. Thohir recently said the average age of the squad would decrease by 2 years next season. This season has not been anything to get excited about, but I'm not overly concerned about our trajectory.

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Must you guys constantly bitch at each other in EVERY thread?

sorry

 

[Nyall]

The protest in question occurred before the Catania match after a string of poor results. I can understand the fans frustration, and you're right that the boos are a reflection of performance. That doesn't justify it, though. It only leads to worse performance. Unless sabotage is the goal, this cycle is counter-productive.

They cycle is vicious, no doubt, but to put the blame on the people who pay these people's salaries is wrong.At the end of the day everything a fan does is reactionary. The players and coach is the cause.

Relatively neutral in terms of Mazzarri. The term apologist has a negative connotation. That definition is apt, however, in that the extreme views on this forum have driven me (and others) to feel the need to constantly defend him.

That's entirely your problem then. Why have you let the actions of others cause you to take a stand for something you don't truly believe in?

Nicolas Burdisso was one of my favorite players when he was with us (note my number) and he was by far the most hated player on this team while he was here. Yet I defended him to the day he left us, because I really believed that he was a quality defender.

You don't have to be a contrarian, just cause. Your views on Mazzari do not at all reflect anything close to being neutral. You come off as very pro-Mazzari, and you look to defend almost all of his decisions when they are criticized.

Maybe. Who's making excuses now?

idk. you tell me?

Not sure about this.

Right.. Moratti actually said Scudetto.
"I've told the fans, if things are done seriously and done well, then they can think about the title,"

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1495672/moratti-backs-walter-mazzarri-inter-milan-title?cc=5901

No development? You're overstating your case again. Icardi is starting to come on strong. Taider has had his moments. Juan looks great lately, when he's not punching people.

Icardi is a far far far cry from the promising player he was last season at Sampdoria.
Is Taider a better player now than at Bologna last year?
Juan, is solid now, just as he was last year, all that indicates is that he hasn't regressed.
But what about Kovacic, Belfodil, Pasa, Benassi, Duncan, Olsen, just to make a few?

With the Asado clan still in the squad, this season was never going to be about youth. Thohir recently said the average age of the squad would decrease by 2 years next season. This season has not been anything to get excited about, but I'm not overly concerned about our trajectory.

Kinda stupid of our management to spend so much on youth then, no? If this season was supposed to be a transitional year, which was effectively going to be mediocre, why exactly was Mazzari hired and made the league's top paid coach?

Weren't you convinced that we'd qualify for the CL?

 

[Wings]

Whether or not you think our home fans should be allowed to boo or not, Mazzarri's claim that the home support (or lack thereof) is leading to the poor results is ridiculous. Mazzarri's brought this onto himself.

 

[Wallace]

Nyall, Wing.

Who are you guys? Keyboard Warriors? What do you guys even know?

Mazzarri is a professional coach, what he says makes perfect sense, and is a completely fair excuse.

Look, when the home fans boo Mazzarri's players, Mazzarri has to go home, hide in a corner, and cry every night. How can he find time to prepare his tactics? Not to mention it also affects his confidence and mentality as well, it makes him scared to play the next game, and that's why his tactics are so defense based, because he's really scared to lose another game.

His confidence is probably shattered by now, and if only he has 11 defenders to his disposal, he'd start all of them instead of fucking talentless Kovacic and Taider.

It's not his fault that the confidence of him and the squad is so low now. The original tactical approach of using senators has been working so well, and we were reaching our result-oriented goal in getting to Europa League, but you guys (those in the stadium) just have to destroy all the work they have put in.

 

[javier_zanetti <3]

I don't care if we play shit or not, our fans shouldn't boo to our team, unless they go against the Curva, what they didn't do.

Go to Argentina or Germany, there the fans support their team always, even if they lost 10 games in a row. That's how fans should act.

 

[Dylan]

http://www.inter.it/en/news/45102

Goalkeepers: 1 Samir Handanovic, 30 Juan Pablo Carrizo, 12 Luca Castellazzi;

Defenders: 2 Jonathan, 4 Javier Zanetti, 6 Marco Andreolli, 14 Hugo Campagnaro, 23 Andrea Ranocchia, 33 Danilo D'Ambrosio, 35 Rolando, 55 Yuto Nagatomo;

Midfielders: 10 Mateo Kovacic, 13 Fredy Guarin, 17 Zdravko Kuzmanovic, 19 Esteban Cambiasso, 21 Saphir Taider, 88 Hernanes;

Forwards: 8 Rodrigo Palacio, 9 Mauro Icardi, 20 Ruben Botta, 22 Diego Milito.


Only 4 CB's called up, Camp-Rano-Rol would be my preference.

 

[JJM]

guess who is the mystery man?!Is it a new coach?! :troll:

also where is Ricky?! not called up...

 

[youth projector]

MAZZARRI: "UP TO
US TO TAKE THE
GAME TO TORINO"
"They have two very good forwards in
great form and can cause problems
for anyone. We must be careful to cut
off their supply line. A tough game
awaits"
MILAN – Walter Mazzarri met with
the media this afternoon to preview
Inter's Week 27 encounter against
Torino at the Stadio Meazza
tomorrow, when the club will
celebrate its 106th birthday,
He opened his press conference by
assessing the threat posed by
Giampiero Ventura's side: "Torino
have two very good forwards who are
in great form, they play very good
football and can cause problems for
anyone. We'll have to be careful to
cut off their supply line. I'd like to
see us take the game to them and
make life tough for them. It's going
to be a difficult game, we must be
careful."
The coach then discussed his team
selection and answered questions on
individual players.
"My starting line-up? I always go with
my most in-form players. If those
who start tomorrow play well then
there's every chance they will keep
their place.
"Icardi has trained well and his
fitness is increasing.
"D'Ambrosio? Whether he plays or not
also depends on who was playing in
his position before he arrived. It's
just a technical choice. When he gets
his chance to play I'll be fully
confident because he'll know
everything he needs to know.
"Guarin is immensely talented. I've
given him some advice to help him
reach the top of his game. He mustn't
go missing during the 90 minutes.
"Kovacic's comments during the
week? I watched the whole match
when he played for Croatia the other
day. I don't think he meant to say
what got reported. I think he meant
that he has to improve the defensive
side of his game. He believes in what
I tell him, I've spoken to him about
it.
"Alvarez has had a few niggles and he
might not make the squad.
"Rolando is the most versatile
defender we have. He can adapt to
any position, even on the left."
Mazzarri was also asked for his view
on the three-match ban handed to
Juan Jesus. He said: "We live in a
world where there are rules and
judges. We've learnt from the past
that it's best not to have your say on
these matters; you just have to accept
the rulings and believe that they've
been properly considered. I'd rather
not go into it any further. Obviously
Juan isn't happy. He was playing well.
It's a shame both for him and for us
that he's unavailable."
Erick Thohir is due at the stadium this
afternoon to watch the team training.
On his relationship with the
president, the coach explained: "It's
the way it should be between a
president and a coach. We often
speak and when he asks me I explain
things to him. The club sets the
general guidelines and I ask the
president what we're going to do. It's
a constant exchange of views and
ideas.
"We've already held several meetings
to discuss next season and these last
12 games will be useful to make
decisions regarding next year.
Depending on what the club wants to
achieve we'll think about what targets
to set. In the meantime I want to win
tomorrow for him and also for us!"
Finally, on the subject of next season,
the Nerazzurri boss commented on
the recent announcement that
Nemanja Vidic will be joining Inter in
the summer: "His career speaks for
itself. He's a great player but I don't
want to say much more at the
moment. He'll be here next season
and for the time being I want to focus
on the remaining 12 games of this
season."

 

[TheNetworkZ]

http://www.inter.it/en/news/45102

Goalkeepers: 1 Samir Handanovic, 30 Juan Pablo Carrizo, 12 Luca Castellazzi;

Defenders: 2 Jonathan, 4 Javier Zanetti, 6 Marco Andreolli, 14 Hugo Campagnaro, 23 Andrea Ranocchia, 33 Danilo D'Ambrosio, 35 Rolando, 55 Yuto Nagatomo;

Midfielders: 10 Mateo Kovacic, 13 Fredy Guarin, 17 Zdravko Kuzmanovic, 19 Esteban Cambiasso, 21 Saphir Taider, 88 Hernanes;

Forwards: 8 Rodrigo Palacio, 9 Mauro Icardi, 20 Ruben Botta, 22 Diego Milito.


Only 4 CB's called up, Camp-Rano-Rol would be my preference.

Only having 4 CB's and I bet we're still going to play with 3 on the field. This makes too much sense.

 

[Dylan]

Well Andreolli, Cambiasso and in a pinch Zanetti can all play part of the backline but I doubt we'll need the last two.

 

[Jerry]

Why have you let the actions of others cause you to take a stand for something you don't truly believe in?

The only thing I’m “taking a stand for” is accountability to the facts. The FIF Mazzarri conversation has completely spiraled out of control. His words are being twisted, his (admittedly limited) positive results have been completely overlooked, and certain facts are being selectively ignored because they don't support the rhetoric.

For example:

Mazzarri's claim that the home support (or lack thereof) is leading to the poor results is ridiculous.

Wings, can you please clarify exactly how many poor results Mazzarri blamed on the fans?

I recall after the Catania match he mentioned the atmosphere many times in his interview and requested that fans wait until after the final whistle for protests. Saying this "led to the result" is an exaggeration, IMO. Nevertheless, I'll give you that one. Were there others? Because you mention results (plural).

A similar phenomenon occurred when he mentioned that some of the younger players need to develop a winning mentality. FIF’s expert translators turned this into “the youngsters don’t know how to win”

Look, I’d have to be a fool to say WM’s tenure this term been a resounding success. But is it so much to ask that we be intellectually honest in our criticisms? There’s plenty to point out without having to exaggerate facts and mistranslate quotes.

Weren't you convinced that we'd qualify for the CL?

No. Believing in something as a possibility is different than being convinced. It’s definitely not surprising that certain people here would have trouble respecting that distinction.