Inter: Season stats [2004/05]

[Jake]

Vieri had an okay season last year if we look at the numbers, but obviously he didn't have a "good" season, since he didn't get along with Zac or the fans. This season his living like a youngster again. You can see how he enjoys the game, the fans...

What amazes me the most is that after last year when many (me included) thought that he had totally lost his technique and passing skills, he has proven us totally wrong this season. His assists are excellent nowadays. :star: Bobo :star:

 

[Frisko]

Vieri had an okay season last year if we look at the numbers, but obviously he didn't have a "good" season, since he didn't get along with Zac or the fans.

Yeah right, pleaseee! Vieri last year was a nightmare, he couldn't score even if the goal was 10 times as big and the keeper was Mickey Mouse.

He pulled all that $hit about not celebrating his goals, but spitting instead, and refusing to go on the bench.

It's great to have him back, don't get me wrong, but saying that he had "an ok season" last year is an outrage.

 

[Ari]

Well he had okay season. Frisko why the hell is it, that you're dramatising every god damn thing?

Vieri scored 13 times in Seria A and 4 times in euro cups. He had an okay season.

 

[Stefan]

Vieri had an okay season last year if we look at the numbers, but obviously he didn't have a "good" season, since he didn't get along with Zac or the fans. This season his living like a youngster again. You can see how he enjoys the game, the fans...

What amazes me the most is that after last year when many (me included) thought that he had totally lost his technique and passing skills, he has proven us totally wrong this season. His assists are excellent nowadays. :star: Bobo :star:

I believe a lot of vieri's turn around has to do with the pressure release of not being the number 1 striker anymore.

Now with Adriano being the number 1. Vieri can just quitely get along with his job and I believe this has help him a lot.

Don't get me wrong he is still a very good striker.

He should be offered a new contract.

Together with adri and oba he makes a great strike force.

 

[Frisko]

Well he had okay season. Frisko why the hell is it, that you're dramatising every god damn thing?

Vieri scored 13 times in Seria A and 4 times in euro cups. He had an okay season.

Yeah right, dramatise. I guess I'm the only one who saw the incredible amount of huge misses by Bobo.

And hey, I'm a huge Bobo fan, but I had to face the hard facts last season. It's no wonder that people are saying Bobo 'is back'. He's gotta be back from somewhere, right??

 

[Ari]

Errrnnn... How about 1st half of this season?

 

[Jake]

Vieri had an okay season last year if we look at the numbers, but obviously he didn't have a "good" season, since he didn't get along with Zac or the fans.

Yeah right, pleaseee! Vieri last year was a nightmare, he couldn't score even if the goal was 10 times as big and the keeper was Mickey Mouse.

He pulled all that $hit about not celebrating his goals, but spitting instead, and refusing to go on the bench.

It's great to have him back, don't get me wrong, but saying that he had "an ok season" last year is an outrage.

Calm down mate. Read the posts before you go and say something like that. I said he had an okay season if we look at the NUMBERS. The rest you can read again too. I already said he didn't have a good season.

 

[Frisko]

Jake, I'm perfectly calm, I'm just saying that Bobo was not ok last season, he was awful. I don't know which numbers you're considering, but you're surely not keeping into account the huge misses, and his average rating should be something like 5 at best.

 

[Tommi]

I'm just saying that Bobo was not ok last season, he was awful. I don't know which numbers you're considering...<snip>

Compare yourself.

2003/04 - 22 matches - 13 goals
2004/05 - 25 matches - 13 goals

2003/04 - 1746 minutes - 13 goals = Goal in every 134 minutes
2004/05 - 1726 minutes - 13 goals = Goal in every 132 minutes

Jake - as he said - talked about numbers and according to these numbers he had an ok season.

 

[Frisko]

If you judge a player only based on shots/goals, good for you, but I'm afraid football is a bit more complicated than that.

Ok season? Bobo's huge misses last year costed us so much, on the top of my head I can remember a HUGE one against Roma at the S. Siro, a huge miss against Lokomotiv Moskow at the S. Siro after a great Kily assist, a big one against Lazio at the Olimpico, when he not only missed, but his bad control gave Lazio the chance to go on the counter and score with Zauri.

I wanna stop talking about this because Bobo is doing great now and I've already forgot about last year, he has improved so much both on a performance and attitude level.

 

[Tommi]

If you judge a player only based on shots/goals, good for you, but I'm afraid football is a bit more complicated than that.

Oh really?

I was only telling that Jake said that according to numbers/stats Vieri had an ok season. He also said Vieri didn´t have a good season otherwise. None is really saying he had an ok season and you still keep arguing, we just talked about numbers and no, numbers doesn´t say everything...of course not.

 

[Frisko]

Oh really?

I was only telling that Jake said that according to numbers/stats Vieri had an ok season. He also said Vieri didn´t have a good season otherwise. None is really saying he had an ok season and you still keep arguing, we just talked about numbers and no, numbers doesn´t say everything...of course not.

They weren't ALL the numbers Tommi, were they? Only 2 stats...

 

[Tommi]

Did anyone say otherwise?

Ok, you search and post all the numbers here then. You can give us last years and this years stats, all of them. Not only Vieri´s, but everyone else as well that we can compare. You do that and i appreciate it.

 

[Frisko]

Did anyone say otherwise?

Ok, you search and post all the numbers here then. You can give us last years and this years stats, all of them. Not only Vieri´s, but everyone else as well that we can compare. You do that and i appreciate it.

I've been looking, but I can't find them about 2003-2004. Even if I did, I doubt that I would find stats such as "incredible misses"...

Stats are a great way to judge a player performance, but they must be considered after actually watching him play.

We all know that Vieri is a great goal-scorer, if he misses a huge chance, he might have 9 shots out of 10 on target, but that doesn't change the fact that he should convert the big chance.

Unfortunately Bobo missed several easy and vital chances last season. For a variety of reasons.

If you want to say that his minutes played/goal scored stats are good, that's fine with me. But you can't say his season has been ok, that's a whole different story.

 

[Jake]

If you want to say that his minutes played/goal scored stats are good, that's fine with me. But you can't say his season has been ok, that's a whole different story.

I'm starting to lose my calmness. I'm not sure whether you do it on purpose or are you just too lazy to read what I wrote in the first place. I'll have to quote myself for the second time about the same thing...

Vieri had an okay season last year if we look at the numbers, but obviously he didn't have a "good" season...

All the time I said, that he had an okay season BASED ON NUMBERS. Numbers as in stats and if you say his season has been at least okay this year then he obviously had an okay season last year too, since his stats from 2003/2004 are in fact better. Remember this is based on numbers. Stats Tommi gave are probably all there is available so they equal TO NUMBERS in my thinking.

Is this thing still unclear to you Francesco??

 

[Frisko]

Jake, what's wrong? I know exactly what you're saying, I'm just pointing out that you say THE numbers, but you only talk about minutes played and goals scored. These are not ALL the numbers, right? Is that still unclear to you Jake?

If you had numbers on shots on goal/shots on target/shots off target, that would tell more of the story, right? Too bad that those kind of numbers are not available, at least not to my knowledge.

There should be an archive of all those numbers. I'd love to have some stats on Recoba's passes during a game, for example, or balls lost.

Anyway, our points are pretty clear, you think that last year Vieri had an okay season because he scored a good number of goals considering minutes played, I think that he missed too many good chances in important games and that over-rules his goals.

Simple as that, stop making a big deal about it!

 

[El Chino Recoba]

Im pretty sure the stats of passes and crosses and shots are on it.

Recoba's assist to minute ratio speaks for itself, same as it was last season and the season before.

But did I mention that no matter how freakish his talent is, he is human so errors will be seen, and should be looked past like you look past it when other players who play far more minutes make errors, you need to be fair, I don't think Recoba ever gets fair treatment but still manages to make a point, but no one can keep on doing it all the time when things are against him so giving him many games in a row will make many more chances to impress and less pressure to do it now or your out for a month

Recoba blah blah blah, Im tired of his story, but these comparison are the most unfair I have seen in my life, do you want perfection? well no player in the world will give you that, so you will just have to place faith in Recoba and be happy with the magic he gives over 30 games in his position, it will be worth it, but he is no alien so every shot won't go in and ever cross won't be on Vieris head

 

[Frisko]

With Chino is not just a question of mistakes, it's pure and simple lack of effort.

 

[Jake]

Anyway, our points are pretty clear, you think that last year Vieri had an okay season because he scored a good number of goals considering minutes played, I think that he missed too many good chances in important games and that over-rules his goals.

I'm not making a big deal about it. There just doesn't exist stats like: "missed good chances in important games". Like I said looking back to the season and just looking at the available numbers he had an okay season. I already said it earlier that his season wasn't good, because of many things (clash with Zac and fans, obviously missed chances and so on). But just based on stats his season wasn't that bad you acclaim.

Besides if we got shots off target stats from everyone I don't think Vieri's last season's stats would've been that extraordinary compared to our other strikers.

 

[Andres]

This is our Strikers stats so far in Serie A + CL + Coppa Italia

Martins

Minutes: 2690
Goals: 22
Goal in every 122 minutes

Adriano

Minutes: 3282
Goals: 26 (3 PK)
Goal in every 126 minutes

Vieri

Minutes: 2257
Goals: 17 (2 PK)
Goal in every 132 minutes

Cruz

Minutes: 1567
Goals: 9 (1 PK)
Goal in every 174 minutes

Recoba

Minutes: 1111
Goals: 6
Goal in every 185 minutes

Grande Oba!