Inter - Lazio (22 Jan 12)

[Scottish_one]

No luck at all on that one, as Rocchi clearly pushed him hard...not sure if it was Rocchi tho

i xcant remember if we got the free kick? if we didnt we were unlucky not to

 

[emcct]

Zanetti: 'They said Inter were finished…'

Nuff said!

 

[_Ivan_]

hahahahhaha

we have 8 in a row so i don't care bout anyone else opinion.

 

[I4E]

... I remember our Mourihno days.. Didnt care if it was 3:0 up, we were still the dominating force.

Sorry to break it to you lads but Mourinho is now the manager at Real Madrid.

Seriously, this "but under Mourinho ..... with Mourinho ...... remember Mourinho .... " has honestly just got to stop.

We are a team that has changed in many ways since then. Some players gone and some past their prime, new players in and need to grow/change/adapt. We are in a transitional period regardless of wether you like or appreciate the methods and choices or not.

The treble and Mourinho is now written into Inter history. All we can do about that is reminisce and be proud of the moment.

Looking back is not gonna make things any different or better. So forget about the past and just understand that we are a changing team that is actually in its infancy of a new era.

Patience please.

 

[emcct]

Sorry to break it to you lads but Mourinho is now the manager at Real Madrid.

Seriously, this "but under Mourinho ..... with Mourinho ...... remember Mourinho .... " has honestly just got to stop.

We are a team that has changed in many ways since then. Some players gone and some past their prime, new players in and need to grow/change/adapt. We are in a transitional period regardless of wether you like or appreciate the methods and choices or not.

The treble and Mourinho is now written into Inter history. All we can do about that is reminisce and be proud of the moment.

Looking back is not gonna make things any different or better. So forget about the past and just understand that we are a changing team that is actually in its infancy of a new era.

Patience please.

You cannot be more wrong even if you tried.

It has NOTHING to do with patience, but the ideas and mentality of the choach. Ranieri seems to be a very carefull and scared person, and this is clearly visible when you see the approaches on the Lazio and Milan games. You can play with any players of any age, when you are 1 vs 4 (think pazzini last 30min) you have NO CHANCE!

Last night, being in front 2:1 he takes our a striker and put in a defender. That just goes to show you what his intentions are. If you acually saw the game, not only would you have guessed once he subbed Milito that we wouldnt get a shot on goal nor be dangerus, but you would acually be sitting scared as hell for the last 30min wondering if this will end a draw or not.

When you are in front, you need to focus even more on the attack than when your behind. Otherwise you leave the play to your oponents and let them run the game.

It's shamefull that a big team like Inter should be "yaaaaaaay we scored, ok guys, now we go back to camp, stay there heads up and look at the clock"..

 

[I4E]

I'm very comfortable with that. We have the ability to sit on a 1 goal lead and maintain it. How many wins in a row has it been now ? That speaks volumes of how confident both CR and the players have become.

Patience has a hell of alot to do with it. You don't turn into a "best team ever" overnight.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Wonderful post by Interista 4 Ever. And emcct's reply just points out how he has no idea. Pazzo's job was to be there 1 vs 4 when we were leading (against Milan and against Lazio). Nothing wrong with that. That's part of the winning philosophy of Inter. Most of the players are designated to defend the lead, it's that simple.

We have this player material which does not suit to certain type of football, but suits to another type of football.

 

[emcct]

Let's just agree to dissagree then Because I will never agree on the fact that you ALLOWE the component to get back in the game. That's just plain stupid.

 

[Ed.]

Under Mourinho we were famous for our defences not attacks. That was how we played against Chelsea, CSKA, and Barcelona. We scored and then defended. We only bossed to 3-0 or 4-0 if we were the dominant force against a weaker team. The same thing Ranieri does, 4-1 vs Lecce, 5-0 vs Parma. Lazio was the dominant force yesterday and Bilan was too last week. That's why it is more important to secure 1-0 lead rather than go all out and concede 1 or 2.

Anyway, the situation is different. Mourinho was the boss when Inter were bossing in every competitions. I was pretty much believed before the treble season began that we would win double in Italy and it depends on how we do in CL to make it treble. At this stage, under Mourinho we were about +10 points from the next club below us and nobody was above us. Compared to Ranieri, he came when Inter were 16th in the league and lowest bottom in CL group + lots of injuries. It was a magic that we are now 4th and almost back in the title race, if not back in there already. It is understandable why Ranieri wants to secure these narrow leads, because he doesn't want to over-expose his players. Milito has performed really well and he needs a bit of rest. Plus, our defences atm performed much better than our attacks (despite the fact that our attacks are improving). We only conceded 6 goals in the last 10 matches with 5 clean sheets.

It is true that the good defensive play is by attacking your opponents, but the good attacking play based on a great defence.

Mourinho said something like: we parked buses, boats, and planes in Camp Nou because we have the lead by winning 3-1 in San Siro.

That's Mourinho's philosophy which Ranieri has adapted. Steal a goal, defend it to your last breath. Steal another only if there is a chance.

 

[I4E]

Let's just agree to dissagree then Because I will never agree on the fact that you ALLOWE the component to get back in the game. That's just plain stupid.

true , but we aren't allowing the teams to get back into the game. Our defense has been holding up splendidly when we have the lead.

What you want will come in time, but for now results however they come are first and foremost important.

 

[Scottish_one]

we all have seen the results of a coach coming in and trying to play a more aggressive type of football with these players...

CR now is gone back to what these players do best, what they did against Barca and last week against Milan

maybe one day well play more attacking football but its a long way off with the players we have, i dont think this is a good or a bad thing its just the way things are at the moment

 

[dee_jay]

Under Mourinho we were famous for our defences not attacks. That was how we played against Chelsea, CSKA, and Barcelona. We scored and then defended. We only bossed to 3-0 or 4-0 if we were the dominant force against a weaker team. The same thing Ranieri does, 4-1 vs Lecce, 5-0 vs Parma. Lazio was the dominant force yesterday and Bilan was too last week. That's why it is more important to secure 1-0 lead rather than go all out and concede 1 or 2.

True, but let's be honest. This was how we played against Chelsea and Barcelona. As i remember, we trash Milan 4-0, and now, teams like Lazio and Milan dominate us, not Barca and Chelsea.
I really don't mind how our game looks like until we get 3 points, but i know for sure that after we drew or lose because of our way of play, everyone here would bitch about Ranieri, and the way he plays.
At the and, i really appreciate what Ranier did with this team. I doubt any other coach would've done this. But right now, i think that it's time for Ranieri to show some balls. After all, i think we got back fear factor, which is crucial for winning small teams.

 

[Mnassar]

I love this team, I love grittiness, I love closing down and frustrating the opposition and I fucking love the Serie A. I really don't mind playing defensive football, as long as this is the game plan and we do it well.

we played like shit yesterday, true, but that's in the past and you need to get over it. @ least CR admits and recognises. And the shittiness of play for me had nothing to do with subbing milito, it was all to do with the first half.

 

[Ed.]

True, but let's be honest. This was how we played against Chelsea and Barcelona. As i remember, we trash Milan 4-0, and now, teams like Lazio and Milan dominate us, not Barca and Chelsea.
I really don't mind how our game looks like until we get 3 points, but i know for sure that after we drew or lose because of our way of play, everyone here would bitch about Ranieri, and the way he plays.
At the and, i really appreciate what Ranier did with this team. I doubt any other coach would've done this. But right now, i think that it's time for Ranieri to show some balls. After all, i think we got back fear factor, which is crucial for winning small teams.

Milan during our treble era was a complete shit, that's the reason why we could lead +10 above 2nd place which was roma. Now, that era has passed. We're developing a new team here, a new beginning and that will suffer. Mourinho had his team half developed during Mancini era. Mourinho just brought that team to another level, now Ranieri in here has to start from scratch bcs of changes of coaches recently.

 

[mario.santon]

Not really from the scratch... the mentality is still there.. The veterans has tasted the sweetness of scudetti and treble..

last night game was actually a good sign..

we sucked and still win fairly...
we need to find efficiency if we wanna compete in three competitions... Mou did it

 

[Pharaoh]

Wonderful post by Interista 4 Ever. And emcct's reply just points out how he has no idea.

:awwwyeah:

---------- Post added at 10:09 ---------- Previous post was at 10:03 ----------

You cannot be more wrong even if you tried.

It has NOTHING to do with patience, but the ideas and mentality of the choach. Ranieri seems to be a very carefull and scared person, and this is clearly visible when you see the approaches on the Lazio and Milan games. You can play with any players of any age, when you are 1 vs 4 (think pazzini last 30min) you have NO CHANCE!

Last night, being in front 2:1 he takes our a striker and put in a defender. That just goes to show you what his intentions are. If you acually saw the game, not only would you have guessed once he subbed Milito that we wouldnt get a shot on goal nor be dangerus, but you would acually be sitting scared as hell for the last 30min wondering if this will end a draw or not.

When you are in front, you need to focus even more on the attack than when your behind. Otherwise you leave the play to your oponents and let them run the game.

It's shamefull that a big team like Inter should be "yaaaaaaay we scored, ok guys, now we go back to camp, stay there heads up and look at the clock"..

I think you're missing a really really important point here. We're defending leads against teams we know have a strong attacking force and have a high chance to get back into the game if we keep playing offensively. Against Parma Leece etc. we kept attacking and HAMMERING them for multi goal leads.

However, now when we face teams higher up in the table we can't keep going with that same philosophy because they are much more deadly and can make us pay for mistakes, therefore the change in tactics to a more tight and defensive team.

There is nothing wrong with defending a lead and winning that way. There is an old saying here in the U.S. concerning sports and that is, "Defense wins championships." I feel that is true even in soccer. Take the past 2 world cup winners. Spain won every single game in the knockout phase with 1-0 victories, meaning they kept a clean sheet for 5? games I think it is, and only needed 1 goal then stayed tight on the back end. Even before spain Italy in 2006 had a very very tight disciplined defensive team. They only allowed 2 goals all tournament. One in the finals off a penalty that Zidane would never miss, and the first one was an own goal against the U.S.

It's plain and simple you play defense and you'll win games against the best of opponents. Don't let them score and you'll get your chances to score, you just have to make them count, which is exactly what those teams did and it is exactly what we're doing right now.

It may not be cute beautiful and pretty football but it wins and brings you 3 points every week. I personally am more than happy to take those points.

 

[jmaster]

Those who miss Mourinho should consider buying the Treble DVD, or just use Youtube to remember those beautiful moments and cry in agony.

 

[Sqnalkel]

Ugly game. But a win is a win! Like someone has previously mentioned, "Inter is probably the only team in the world that is comfortable playing without a ball." blivious:

Well, I didn't say we're the only team that it's comfortable without the ball, I think there are some other teams that are comfortable without the ball. But I did say that we're the team that is the most comfortable without the ball by far.

 

[shingayi]

Must agree with some people complaining on our style.

Does JuBe have players able to play dominant futbol? No, Vidal, Marchisio, Pepe, they're just good, solid players, but take a look how they play. They take control on almost every their match. Of course I hate them, even more than Bbilan, but it needs to be said: they're playing better football. For me it's more about philosophy that one coach prefers, not just like "that players are more to defensive style, and these to offensive". What makes you scary about playing against Barca or Real? Higher individual class of players too, but mainly style of playing!

Where is this "Pazza Inter" I remember? Does it mean scoring and then defending with 9 people in our penalty area? Come on!

 

[interista]

Really dont care about our style of play right now especially the way season started. Win is a win.