Inter - Juventus (2 Feb 21) [1-2]

[brehme1989]

I'm waiting for brehme to explain that shit show. He probably knows about the rules and I want to fucking know.

If there was a foul, that's a PK. Doesn't matter where the ball was heading as long as it was in play.

Iirc there used to be a rule where they'd give indirect free kicks in the box in case there was a random foul that had nothing to do with the run of play, but that's probably gone. Even so, Cuadrado was moving towards the goal, the ball was still in play and if Young held his arms it's a PK. It's just that no replay showed anything that warrants that decision during the VAR moments and after they scored they had a relatively clearer image where Young does seem to hold him, but if you consider the earlier footage as well, it's uncertain if Cuadrado pretty much got himself that contact as he also appears to do some dodgy movrs there. But whatever was the case, Young was foolish to let it happen.
The more I look at it, the more I see Cuadrado holding Young's hands instead and letting go at the right time....

For a comparison, remember that Milano derby where we won 3-2 and D'Ambrosio won a late PK? Pretty similar situation from a ref's perspective.

 

[king_elnino]

"Cuadrado riscrive le regole della fisica: gli trattengono il braccio, e cade in avanti anziché cadere all'indietro"

https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1356698294995582977

 

[ElDuccio]

How is the team mentally fragile?
Wasn't the argument for Conte that he'd make them... robust?

9/15 players used didn't feature for Inter before Conte arrived and the % would have been higher if Lukaku and Hakimi had played. Or if Kolarov was subbed in.

This is the coach's team. All the coaches before him were supposed to build a mentality but they were considered cowards and losers. This guy came as a "winner", yet the team costs the higher since I don't know how long and the mentality is just not there. Even the management changed. Who's fault is it then?

That actually improves our chances, Vidal and Sánchez are awful.






Conte was brought here because that's supposed to be his forte, improving and managing the team mentality (remember when he said no more pazza inter?) and we're paying him TWELVE FUCKING MILLIONS a year, he have been here for a season and half already, we shouldn't be seeing this pathetic shit still, our players shitting their pants almost everytime there is pressure, it's not like it's just one or a couple players either, it's all of them basically, including his precious super experienced champion Vidal who has been one if not THE one that has costed us the most.

It's all completely on Conte, he earns too much and have been long enough here that there's just no excuses, specially since we has only underachieved since he got here, our performance in CL specially has been absolutely disgraceful. Well, now he has to come with the goods.






Yeah, I clearly remember his performance in the EL final.

It's not always the coachs fault if the players have a loser mentality. If this was the case, why was he sucessfull at Chelsea and Juve?
Yesterday we saw a stupid mistake from the keeper and a young defender who is great but still can't be considered world class.
Someone who is susposed to have a lot of experience after a long career at Manchester United, but looks really insecure and concedes a uneccesary penalty.
A player who was a great striker at Arsenal and Udinese, but apparently forgot how to score.
A player who is considered too good to be benched. Can shot great free kicks, but has apparently no idea how to make a dangerous shot outside the box. Seriously, how many times did Eriksen pass to the keeper? Even if he only plays 10-15 min, he always had this chance and waste it. No wonder he gets tryed as Regista.

 

[Tamirk]

It's not always the coachs fault if the players have a loser mentality. If this was the case, why was he sucessfull at Chelsea and Juve?
Yesterday we saw a stupid mistake from the keeper and a young defender who is great but still can't be considered world class.
Someone who is susposed to have a lot of experience after a long career at Manchester United, but looks really insecure and concedes a uneccesary penalty.
A player who was a great striker at Arsenal and Udinese, but apparently forgot how to score.
A player who is considered too good to be benched. Can shot great free kicks, but has apparently no idea how to make a dangerous shot outside the box. Seriously, how many times did Eriksen pass to the keeper? Even if he only plays 10-15 min, he always had this chance and waste it. No wonder he gets tryed as Regista.

I agree with you that in some cases its not conte fault, like last night, but im totally not agree with that you said young is great?!
Bro cmon, this guy is beyond done, and i find that kinda funny that you say eriksen have no idea to make dangerous shot outside the box?! we fucking never shot outside the fucking box, insted we do pass and pass and pass and pass till the ball in handa hands from their fucking box, eriksen is the fucking only player here who shot outside the box, and that he pass to handa is not his fault, our players keep hide behind ther def, and in inter the solution for everything is pass to handa, i dont think their is any team that pass the ball so many times to thier gk, and also he play as dm position for some fucking reason..

 

[brehme1989]

It's not always the coachs fault if the players have a loser mentality. If this was the case, why was he sucessfull at Chelsea and Juve?

Your idea of successful or the weight you put on Conte for that is remarkably off.

At Juventus he was donated the trophy by FIGC in his first season, as the refs had some sort of pact where Juventus could not lose a single game in their inaugural season after their rebranding with the new stadium.
We collapsed, Milan collapsed, Roma and Napoli regressed.
There was not much success that could be attributed to the coach.

At Chelsea he joined a side of Champions that were being pretty against the previous coach, the whole league was insanely silly in terms of competition with Leicester winning it with Ranieri as coach and his rally calls were ignored almost from the start of the second season.

You branded him a winner because he cheated and then got into a PL winning team that struggled for a year in terms of results because the players were being snowflakes, he signed the best player of the previous season for his squad and then the snowflakes threw him out as well.

He didn't provide any "winning mentality" with Italy either. He failed to restructure the team and insisted on calling up shit players to lower the expectations and to avoid having to experiment as his Juventus backline was the only thing he was confident about.

 

[varmin]

For me, the penalty was soft but not non-existent. If it was in Jube's penalty area, most probably it wouldn't have been given anyway.
The second goal was naive mistake from defender and Handanovic.

BUT, our behavior after Lautaro's goal was totally wrong. Juventus started pressing deep and we bent over. In moments like this we need to show some spirit and will to fight, not only to lose the ball after 3-4 passes in the row. I'll give one (the only one) example - Skriniar. He was the only player not frighten to beat his man and move the ball forward.
It is one thing to let the initiative to the opponent BUT to keep him vigilant with dangerous counter-attack and completely another just to let the initiative. We did the second and we were punished.

 

[Eddie]

"Cuadrado riscrive le regole della fisica: gli trattengono il braccio, e cade in avanti anziché cadere all'indietro"

https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1356698294995582977

The messed up thing is that they didn’t even show a close up of the “foul” Is like really far away and not 100% clear
It really looks like cuadrado kind of just left his arm back and just dived.

 

[junkie]

The messed up thing is that they didn

 

[ElDuccio]

I agree with you that in some cases its not conte fault, like last night, but im totally not agree with that you said young is great?!
Bro cmon, this guy is beyond done, and i find that kinda funny that you say eriksen have no idea to make dangerous shot outside the box?! we fucking never shot outside the fucking box, insted we do pass and pass and pass and pass till the ball in handa hands from their fucking box, eriksen is the fucking only player here who shot outside the box, and that he pass to handa is not his fault, our players keep hide behind ther def, and in inter the solution for everything is pass to handa, i dont think their is any team that pass the ball so many times to thier gk, and also he play as dm position for some fucking reason..

no with passing to keeper i mean the opponent keeper. Everytime he has a chance to shot he waste it

 

[junkie]

"Cuadrado riscrive le regole della fisica: gli trattengono il braccio, e cade in avanti anziché cadere all'indietro"

https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1356698294995582977

what the tweet said?

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[bubba zanetti]

We lost it, yea it hurts its fucking Rube but if you lose against them its not a fkn catastrophe. Catastrophe is dropping points against fkn Parma, Udinese and Sampa. We were clumsy and unlucky yesterday, best team lost Mou would say.

 

[Inter7]

Your idea of successful or the weight you put on Conte for that is remarkably off.

At Juventus he was donated the trophy by FIGC in his first season, as the refs had some sort of pact where Juventus could not lose a single game in their inaugural season after their rebranding with the new stadium.
We collapsed, Milan collapsed, Roma and Napoli regressed.
There was not much success that could be attributed to the coach.

At Chelsea he joined a side of Champions that were being pretty against the previous coach, the whole league was insanely silly in terms of competition with Leicester winning it with Ranieri as coach and his rally calls were ignored almost from the start of the second season.

You branded him a winner because he cheated and then got into a PL winning team that struggled for a year in terms of results because the players were being snowflakes, he signed the best player of the previous season for his squad and then the snowflakes threw him out as well.

He didn't provide any "winning mentality" with Italy either. He failed to restructure the team and insisted on calling up shit players to lower the expectations and to avoid having to experiment as his Juventus backline was the only thing he was confident about.

Your argument is very flawed because his win percentage as a coach is one of the highest he is won at top leagues regardless of these random thoughts not facts that you bring up, Contes is a winner he won as a player and a coach he is a winner.

 

[FairyTailed]

The results vs Juventus are up!

Discuss them here or in their appropriate thread!

Ouch. That's not the result we wanted. Perhaps also not the result we deserved - but at this level it's hard to take that as a comforting argument. This is the spot where we have to come victorious no matter what!

I'm sure we'll do better next time

FORZA INTER! Solo e Sempre!

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[brehme1989]

Your argument is very flawed because his win percentage as a coach is one of the highest he is won at top leagues regardless of these random thoughts not facts that you bring up, Contes is a winner he won as a player and a coach he is a winner.

Thank you, all I needed to confirm that you have no idea of what you're talking about.

No person who knows who Conte is and has witnessed his career could have said that unless he supports one specific team. At least the thread's right...

 

[Bluenine]

A few points:

1. Sanchez + Martinez just doesn't work. Not with this squad at least. No formation will change that. It theoriticsaly could work if Sanchez finds his peak career form and Martinez develops an understanding with him. But bottomline, we need Lukaku. And this is why we needed Giroud or Dzeko 18 months ago.

2. Bastoni is young, he is bound to have bad games every now and then. I wouldn't be too hard on the kid, specially coz of point 3 below.

3. Our left side is shite. No matter who we play, we suck on the left. Young has turned really shite this season, and Perisic is just unsuitable in this role. Another big issue that everyone knew for 18 months, yet Marotta & Co haven't fixed this. Just look who are the bottom two rated players this season from FairyTailed's brilliant graphics, even below Gagliar-fuckin-dini:

 

[Eddie]

we can definitely beat them in Turin with luka and haki. 1st time I feel confident that we can beat them.

This loss was because of our own mistakes and bad finishing.

They did some great pressing but on the 2nd half we managed to retain the ball. despite the misses and mistakes I can’t complain at how we played. The intensity the boys put was great and they really wanted to win this...... only complain would be the timing of the subs.