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This article was written about two years agao. By far, this is the most fair and truthful article I've read about Cuper. I highlighted some important parts:

From soccernet.com:

Sunday, April 20, 2003

Roberto Gotta



The man who couldn't win


Try putting yourself in Hector Cuper's shoes. Or perhaps not, as you'd probably feel such pressure that it could knock you off your feet.


Another Serie A season is apparently going sour for his club Inter Milan, despite Saturday's injury-time win at Brescia, and so many doubts and questions are hovering over the manager that they could cloud the sky over La Pinetina, Inter's training centre, for the next decade unless Cuper leaves before too long.


There has rarely been a more high-profile and talked about coach in Inter's recent past as Cuper, and Inter have had plenty of them in their quest for the Scudetto a title that has been missing from the Black and Blue half of Milan since 1989: Mircea Lucescu, Roy Hodgson, Marcello Lippi, Marco Tardelli to name only a few.

Their 'plight' - if this word can be used for a club which has been consistently among the top three and is now a regular Champions League participant - has baffled observers who have been predicting for at least three years that 'this is the season'.

Their near-misses are already the lore of legend, of ridicule among other fans and of despair for Inter followers who still have nightmares about the events of May 5, 2002, when Cuper's team put on a horror show against Lazio at the Stadio Olimpico, twice taking the lead before losing 4-2, and presenting Juventus, winner at Udinese on the day, their 26th title.

This season, Cuper has been under fire for a variety of reasons. Among them, oddly enough, are not being stern enough and also being too stern, which goes to show how desperate his situation is.

Cuper had created a name for himself in Europe by leading Mallorca to a Cup Winners' Cup final and third place in La Liga. He also led Valencia to two Champions League finals, but even his supporters cannot have failed to notice that Valencia never won the big prize with him and only took the Liga title after he'd left for Milan, although one could see his blueprint in that team.

His team selections have been harshly criticized as confusing and lacking flair, but it must be said he's never had the players he wanted and needed for his trusted 4-4-2 formation, which he only recently strayed from by deploying three strikers in a disastrous 1-2 defeat at Udinese.

Inter lack true wide players. Javier Zanetti certainly does not fit the bill on the right and whoever plays on the left, an Inter sore point for ages, is not up to the task.

Inter, and club President Massimo Moratti, appear intent on adding players with no apparent regard to their position and this has put Cuper in a difficult position.

It was widely known he'd taken Mallorca and Valencia to their zenith by using players who were not household names and who subsequently have not lived up to their reputation elsewhere, but it was hoped he'd have a much better choice at Inter.

But Cuper's improved choice was limited and the pedestrian play of his team in the middle of the park have given Inter a reputation as a team with a lot of energy and talent but no identity.

They have a great striker in Christian Vieri, who gets fed a lot by teammates wary of his reactions if they fail to do so, but also have a suspect defence, where Fabio Cannavaro has had a lot of poor games, and a goalkeeper who's not been as consistent as required.


However, Inter can count on a fair number of empathizing media, but somehow lack the credibility of Juventus and Milan, and the more refined observers have noticed that Cuper tends to be asked tougher questions and to be ridiculed much more than Marcello Lippi and Carlo Ancelotti, his counterparts at Juve and Milan.
Lippi can shock and awe reporters with his stern replies and has the backing of the distinctly unfunny Juventus directors, while Ancelotti gets away with being a genuinely decent person and has been put under more pressure by his own directors than the media.

Some pinpoint Inter's lack of 'gravitas' as a problem and put it down to owner Moratti, whose role and influence on the team are also being brought into question.

Many say Moratti is too much of a fan to be an impartial judge of talent and sometimes his personal bias can do more harm than good, as reflected by his admiration for Ryan Giggs who may or may not be (like so many before him) the missing link for Inter.

But Giggs would hardly be a long term solution, and Pinetina insiders say Moratti's own down-to-earth behaviour can undermine Cuper's position. How can a player truly respect his manager when the owner himself walks into the Pinetina and makes coffee for himself and some of the players and treats them like royalty?

This has been one of the reasons some have called for Cuper to resign rather than be subjected to this apparent disrespect, but the same traits of scrupulousness and dedication which have made him a successful coach have prevented him from thumbing his nose at his critics.

But it now seems Moratti himself is beginning to lose patience with his cigarette-card collection of players and has asked them to accept a consistent reduction of wages, some of them possibly being paid in real estate or other goods rather than money.

Some critics grumble about Cuper's choice of playing Gabriel Batistuta, who has looked as out of sorts as everybody had predicted. Some suggest Cuper sticks with Batistuta out of loyalty to a fellow Argentinian, while others claim Cuper keeps playing 'Batigol' so everyone can see that Moratti's signings lead the team nowhere.

Cuper may be non-confrontational with the media and always keeps his composure, but you can bet he'd like to win with Inter above everything else.

Inter are known as a mess in Italy, but Cuper still has chances of bringing out his weapons of mass destruction and the Champions League quarter-final return at the Mestalla against Valencia may prove to be one of those occasions.

One day he may even have players who can fit right in to his 4-4-2, but will it be at Inter? Well Cuper's contract runs until 2005.

Moratti may be tired of the revolving-door policy of hiring coaches and has recently said 'if it's up to me, Cuper is staying', but since he's the owner and has full power, does that mean someone else has a hand in determining who the manager is? Stay tuned.
 

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Hamed said:
Great article Ashkan, where did you get it from? I love the writer's witty style :star: :star: :star:

About Cuper, there is one thing that I find amazing. Everyone talks about Cuper being the biggest choker. But when did Cuper have a great and complete team like the Real's, Milan's and Juve's? NEVER

Yet, he is blamed as if he had a decent starting 11! Really weird, but there are those who don't know soccer.

And primo, Cuper request great wingers. The management answered that by getting the Conceicao's and Morfeo's. Still, he is being blamed for that!

Here you go Hamed,
http://football.guardian.co.uk/continentalfootball/story/0,15758,1496041,00.html
 

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Well, I hate to rain on this thread but if Cuper had blown it on the very last step every time with every club in every country he worked at,and surely there is a reason and a logical explanation for that. It can't all be down just to inadequate roster or injuries or bad luck or whatever. And while reading the article about how he managed to save Mallorca I believe I have nailed it...

I believe that Cuper's major defect is not being able to release psychological pressure that there is on the players once the push finally comes to the shove. Remeber what he said in April: "We have to find a way to go down with dignity." Intentionally or not, there and then he lifted the pressure off and to me it is no coincidence that from that day on Mallorca started playing better. I just hope he learned something from this.
 

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Yeah, good point Milos, he is learning to change his coaching techniques with Mallorca.

I heared Lazio have a vacancy now, and it seems that Zeman is going to Roma, and Trapattoni won't coach Lazio. You really need Cuper, he will take you from the mess to a 3-4 place finish, then you can let him go.

Lazio is taylor-made for him, you have great wingers, and gritty players.

But back to the point, you still don't acknowledge the fact that he never had a great squad. You can't compare his achievements to other great coaches who had full squads. And when you say he didn't win anything, you are forgetting that to win you need more than coaches.

When is the last team a less-than complete squad won a major tounrament? I don't remember. Greece and Porto were underdogs, but they had a full squad.
 

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Valencia had a full squad, adapted to his 4-4-2. Also, this season's Liverpool came out of nowhere...
 

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No, Valencia most certainly didn't have a full squad. They didn't have goal scoring CF, both Carew and Sanchez were support strikers. This is Valencia's eternal problem, they always get most of their goals from midfielders like Baraja and Vincente.

As for Liverpool, they too had a full squad. They had good players in every department. And even when they had injuries, they had players like Baros who can score goals.

We didn't have any wingers or a good CD for him, Valencia didn't have any pure goal scorers either. I am not saying give him a superstar squad, but rather a full squad when all the players can do their job.
 

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Well, if I remember correctly, Valencia had a certain Claudio Lopez when Cuper was there. I know that he is not your out-and-out striker but he was certainly banging them in.

Maybe Milos just don't like Cuper for thrashing his Lazio in CL. :D (Just kidding, Milos. ;))


Hand;)yo
 

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Handoyo said:
Well, if I remember correctly, Valencia had a certain Claudio Lopez when Cuper was there. I know that he is not your out-and-out striker but he was certainly banging them in.

Maybe Milos just don't like Cuper for thrashing his Lazio in CL. :D (Just kidding, Milos. ;))


Hand;)yo

Yeah, Lopez was not your pure striker, and he was sold after the first year. Where is he now btw?

Valencia have so many midfielders that can score that it continues to obstruct them from getting a pure goal scorer.

Now they go and get headache Kluivert, which would solve nothing. And they let go of Oliveira, who is a great pure CF. I guess Benitez was right when accusing their board of not knowing about soccer.
 

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I think Claudio Lopez is playing for 'America' in Mexican league. He's seemed to have disappeared after 2002 world cup. I remember he was good though.
 

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He wasn't even Spanish but an Argentian, still failed?

Well, Lazio have certainly destroyed some great stars, more than our magnitude. They had established stars coming, and then getting finished.

De La Pena, Mendieta, Gascoigne, Salas and Lopez. We have our fare share, but by no means did we forever destroy establishes stars. But in the media, it's ONLY INTER!!!
 

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Hamed said:
He wasn't even Spanish but an Argentian, still failed?

Well, Lazio have certainly destroyed some great stars, more than our magnitude. They had established stars coming, and then getting finished.

De La Pena, Mendieta, Gascoigne, Salas and Lopez. We have our fare share, but by no means did we forever destroy establishes stars. But in the media, it's ONLY INTER!!!

Lazio didn't destroy Salas at all. Juve did that.
 

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Frisko said:
Lazio didn't destroy Salas at all. Juve did that.

With all due respect, how on earth is Juventus responsible for a players injuries?
 

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It's not the injuries, they screwed him up as well. They had no trust on him whatsoever, and when he was injured they didn't show faith on him.

You can concur that from his statements as well, his agent always says he doesn't want to re-join Juve, he prefers River Plate for crying out loud!
 

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No, Please. He should take over Lazio, they suit each other better.

Cuper To Roma? Not Yet

6/5/2005 8:18:00 PM
Mallorca boss Hector Cuper refused claims he is close to accepting AS Roma’s vacant coaching role.
“Me to Roma? For now no,” said the former Inter boss.

“They have a great fan base and an electric atmosphere, but I have other priorities right now, and Mallorca are on of these,” he continued.

Zeman and Spalletti are also being linked to the Giallorosso hot-seat
 

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Mallorca stayed up, good, thats his level.

Way out of his depth at Inter, seriously I can't see what a coaches job is then? just doing the formation? If all these players he had were under many other coaches over 2 years, they would seem much better to all of you. Its about what they could be, their meduim level, not when the team is limited and basically a disgrace for all the quality they have at their disposal, At Inter it was the players, not a team but individuals, like there was no manager, just some guy who overworked them in training and made them run alot and hit long balls to Vieri. But the results came and people only look at results, well look at them, give credit to who, the players IMO, Cuper is good for other clubs but the last in line for that Inter

Its blatant that he had a better squad man for man, just didn't build a strong team, you might thing he did better than Lippi etc, BS, he fluked the results, seriously and he was given more time than any other coach in Inter's history.

Its Moratti at the end of the day and Hamed you will always disagree with me on this topic but I respect your opinion anyway. that writer is Sid Lowe he is very good I agree.


One thing I can say is Hector Cuper is 10 times the man Roberto Mancini is
 

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I get your point Faisal, but until Cuper screws up with a full team, I will have my opinion.

As for the players that you say were good and would be good under any other coach, let's do a quick where are they know for some:

Grestsko: Last I heared he was with Blackburn I think, or with a team in Greece. Couldn't hold a regular spot in any team since we axed him.

Conceicao: Got released couple of times before landing in Belgium. He had a good run according to Squadra with an average team.

Guly: Released by Bolgona, last time I saw him playing with Boca, I think it was him at least, nobody has that horrible shot but him.

Morfeo: On his way to Serie B with Parma. He had a good season, but was extremely inconsistent. Not to mention getting sent off stupidly in the last game, so he will miss the first leg.

DiBiaggio: Converted to a CD because he sucked at DM at Brescia as well, but got lucky to hit it as a CD. He was still bad, but decent at times. Can be seen in Serie B next season.

Is it a wonder that we are doing great now with a whole new midfield?
 

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No, but these were the players we had in our starting 11 who will never get such a status with any team challenging for a title.

They were a LB, LW, RW, DM and another LW. Where else on earth would such players play in a 'big' club?
 

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Gresko Guly, weren't that good I agree, but the other 3 were good players at their best and under better guidance, but frankly they were not your key players, these were just squad players.

Players like Christian Vieri, Alvaro Recoba, Javier Zanetti, Francesco Toldo, Ivan Cordoba all in their prime remember and all some of the greatest players in the position in the last decade, added with other top players like Crespo Canna Emre etc etc regardless if they showed their best under Cuper or not, this is better than Juventus, Juve over the years have never had a Inter squad, they just make the best out of what they have, bar a young Henry under Ancelotti they rarely have flops, think about it.

Just because they make more out of what they have, doesn't mean you ever had less quality, I honestly don't see how this is a debate.

Anyway man Im off to bed, like I said I have nothing against Cuper personally but people who know me here know that I don't ever bash a coach, never do I criticise a coach like I do to Cuper and his spell at Inter.
 

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Not to forget that Juve get favours all the time. Think about it, we grind our teeth and work our asses of to get a point or three points. They deserve their sometimes, but they get an unbelievable amount of favours by the refs.

The PK against Roma, the non-existent FK they scored against Bologna and the no-goal counted against Chieve are some of the examples. If we have their 'luck' we would've won scudetti.
 
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