German Bundesliga 2022/2023

[brehme1989]

I don't think the problem is that Bayern is so dominant. You have that in other leagues too. The bigger problem is that their challengers always suck. It's matchday 11 in the Bundesliga and Dortmund already lost 4 games. Leipzig lost 3 and has also 4 draws.

That's because they're all at the same level, but Bayern is just two clicks above.
We know that the German teams don't really suck, they just have a rather competitive league with no one getting above the rest of the competition unless they're called Bayern.


You don't have this in France for example since there's always 1-2 teams that join PSG in a given season that could potentially have a league winning campaign.

 

[Bergpavian]

We know that the German teams don't really suck, they just have a rather competitive league with no one getting above the rest of the competition unless they're called Bayern.

They have a competitive league but challengers like Dortmund and Leipzig just suck. Dortmund f. e. has a far bigger budget than 15 of the 17 other teams in the league. An yet they managed to lose almost a quarter (!) of their Bundesliga games in the last three seasons. Not even talking about draws.

That has nothing to do with a competititve league. That's their own incapacity. Just look at this season: I mean ... You can lose against Union, a team with a run. You can lose against Leipzig. But you can't lose against Bremen or Köln if you want to close the gap to Bayern - a team that is underperforming as well. Just look at last season: Dortmund lost against teams like Hertha, Bochum and Gladbach.

 

[brehme1989]

While I do agree that Dortmund is underwhelming, you're kinda proving the point. You should be allowed to lose to teams like Bochum and Hertha and still compete for the league. Bayern just makes that impossible.

Manchester City for example lost to Crystal Palace at home last season and their league run was extremely tight as they won by a single point.
Milan lost to Sassuolo and Spezia at home last season. Still came up with 86 points and the league.
Barcelona lost to Cadiz and Rayo Vallecano at home last season. Real didn't even come close, despite also beating them at Nou Camp.

Bayern had a relatively poor season by their standards last year and still no one was even close. So you're right, their competitors are shit, but at the same time the Bavarians are beyond anyone's reach. You have to have an almost perfect season in Germany to be able to win the league and it's virtually impossible since the teams aren't far apart from one another in terms of quality gap. Unless you're Bayern.

 

[Il Drago]

They have a competitive league but challengers like Dortmund and Leipzig just suck. Dortmund f. e. has a far bigger budget than 15 of the 17 other teams in the league. An yet they managed to lose almost a quarter (!) of their Bundesliga games in the last three seasons. Not even talking about draws.

That has nothing to do with a competititve league. That's their own incapacity. Just look at this season: I mean ... You can lose against Union, a team with a run. You can lose against Leipzig. But you can't lose against Bremen or Köln if you want to close the gap to Bayern - a team that is underperforming as well. Just look at last season: Dortmund lost against teams like Hertha, Bochum and Gladbach.

Agreed. The problem isn't they can lose an odd game here and there. They're just wildly inconsistent, even during the same game. For example, matches against Werder and Köln looked like easy wins and yet they managed to lose them. They can beat anyone (bar Bayern) in the league as easily as lose to anyone in the league. They needed Kobel to save their ass against freaking Hannover in Pokal.

You can't count on them to challenge Bayern.

 

[Glass box]

Barcelona lost to Cadiz and Rayo Vallecano at home last season. Real didn't even come close, despite also beating them at Nou Camp.

Real won the league last season.

 

[brehme1989]

Real won the league last season.

ah crap, you're right I even watched their ceremony

Yet Real lost to Barcelona (4-0) at home and also lost to Getafe and Espanyol away. You're allowed to lose points during a season. In Germany it was only possible in the last couple of seasons when Bayern wasn't very consistent but still. It's more difficult to dethrone them than any other team. Even City has more trouble in England.

Since 2012-13, Bayern has failed to win in just 79 of their league games, meaning that they win ~73% of their games. Other teams are struggling to reach 60% wins per season.

 

[Il Drago]

@wera you will like this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1586388662098735104

 

[wera]

haha, to be fair, only Real Madrid was a notable team he scored against

also what's interesting is that he is used as a LW, CF or RW, it's clear he loves RB Leipzig as much as Lautaro loves playing for Inter

 

[Il Drago]

Big win for Dortmund at Frankfurt with 2-1 but so undeserving. Eintracht were the superior side by far and they could have easily scored 3-4 goals but Kobel was saving everything. This Dortmund side is so unconvincing.

 

[brehme1989]

Union Berlin vs Gladbach is mental

2-1 in the 97th minute and for some reason I see +1 added time only. Right after having another winner disallowed!

 

[Il Drago]

My guy Moukoko keeps making noise. Brace today against Bochum and we're just at half time.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1588914660828672001

 

[IM21]

Grifo with a hat trick in 20 minutes for Freiburg.

 

[wera]

Union Berlin :smh:

 

[DiegoMilito22]

That game had more penalties than corners. 4 penalties vs 3 corners

 

[brehme1989]

World Cup day but it just doesn't give me that vibe.

This is more like the football we need than what's going on in Qatar:

 

[DiegoMilito22]

Neuer is out for the rest of the season.

 

[Il Drago]

Neuer is out for the rest of the season.

This is starting to get interesting. Neuer and Lucas with season ending injuries while Mane will also be out for a while. Salihamidzic insists they won't sign anyone in January. This could hurt their CL chances.

 

[IM21]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1601537969122574336

 

[wera]

Yikes. Depends on the injury this might even be his last season.

 

[rfU]

This is starting to get interesting. Neuer and Lucas with season ending injuries while Mane will also be out for a while. Salihamidzic insists they won't sign anyone in January. This could hurt their CL chances.

BLiga chances?