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Bundesliga is good to watch if u like fluid attacking football. Its for sure better than La Liga or Serie A. But for me, I just cant watch it constantly, cause just like the Premier league, the defending is absolute dogshit. Most teams look like Inter at the start of the season, or even worse... also, Bayern winning every single year doesnt help.
The best part of the Bundesliga is the structure to me. Having fewer teams means less midweek fixtures, and less killing of players' fitness levels. And then they have the best infrastructure of any league in Europe. It's a shame Bayern is such a dominate force, because the potential is there for it to be great.
 

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Had high hopes for Leipzig this year, but meh

Leipzig are still suffering from Nagelsmann exit in 2021.

The American guy was a total disaster. Tedesco (formerly Schalke coach) saved their 2021/22 season by finishing in top 4 and winning Pokal but he started this one terribly and was replaced very early by Rose (formerly Gladbach and Dortmund). Rose has done a good job as caretacker and they're finishing the season on a high with a top 4 finish and another Pokal final. But so did Tedesco. It remains to be seen how Rose can do from the start of the season when there will be pressure on him to deliver.

They have also struggled to replace Rangnick. They brought Krosche in 2019 to work alongside Rangnick for a year before taking over the role but he left for Eintracht in 2021. They replaced him with DS duo of Eberl (formerly Gladbach) and Schroder (formerly Schalke) but now Eberl is linked with Bayern.

There's too much uncertainty at Leipzig and it shows on the pitch.
 

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And more people in Germany hate RB Leipzig than they hate Bayern.

That wouldn't be a team I'd be rooting for in Germany.
 

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They say it's an "artificial" with no tradition, no fan culture, commercialised and the only reason Leipzig that is, where it is now, is the spending power of Red Bull. Transfer deals with other teams are also criticised and although Leipzig didn't break the 50+1 rule - they made it obsolete.

But I see the good things: It's the only team of the former DDR in the Bundesliga. In a cool city with a great stadium. Unlike other teams with big money they spend it well and play good football.

what kind of rule this is? and why they were allowed to break it?

No investor is able to own the majority of a club.

Red Bull formed RB Leipzig in the 5th league with only a few members who are entitled to decide something. They are all handpicked.
 

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They broke 50+1 rule.
Not as simplistic as that.

There are more teams that don't have the 50+1 rule.

Bayer Leverkusen
Wolfsburg
Hoffenheim

Before RB Leipzig, Hoffenheim was the most disliked club, but at least Hopp was a local businessman and SAP is based around the area. Would have much rather if he got his native Heidelberg instead, historic, lovely city with a top rated university and a sporting tradition (rugby and basketball for sure, probably also handball and ice hockey I imagine). I guess that it made more sense to him to return the favor to the club he played as a kid to rather than go to Heidelberg, but that was the way he made his choice.

He's also giving back the majority to the club, but whatever. His "damage" was done and he opened the door to RB Leipzig.

Wolfsburg was created by Volkswagen and their employees themselves, there wasn't even a city before the factories were set up in the area.
Bayer Leverkusen is pretty much funded by the Bayer pharmaceuticals and was founded by the employees. It's similar to PSV Eidhoven where the team was founded by the company for their employees to have something to do in their spare time in the middle of an industrial area.



Red Bull Leipzig as it was originally called bought out a random regional club because Germany decided they wanted to build a Leipzig stadium for the 2006 World Cup and the local teams weren't strong enough. That was because the local Leipzig clubs didn't want to sell out. This came a few years after Red Bull bought Austria Salzburg and renamed them under the brand. They are still hated all over Austria and a lot of fans of the original team refounded Austria Salzburg and are contesting the old trophies from the 90s.
Salzburg weren't really an extremely successful team in Austria apart from a great spell in the 90s, so they still managed to get the casual Salzburg people behind them. In a similar way, they managed to get the casual Leipzigers behind the team.
And funnily enough, casual Austrian football fans like RB Salzburg because they do well in Europe and it allows for all these random teams to play there as they got a good seeding. But competition has diminished. The time of Rapid Wien, Sturm Graz, Austria Wien and whatever name the Innsbruck team had is long gone.

People in Germany got used to Leverkusen, Wolfsburg and to a degree even Hoffenheim, but RB Leipzig is a foreign substance in the German football culture and considered an invader to the system. There are more voices in favor of abolishing the exceptions rather than granting even more (there were talks about something similar to RB Leipzig with a Berlin based team in the mid 2010s iirc, but forgot which company was behind that).
 

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Replace "nerd" with "losers" and you have my reaction to Dortmund's massive, catastrophic bottle job yesterday.
 

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Not as simplistic as that.

There are more teams that don't have the 50+1 rule.

Bayer Leverkusen
Wolfsburg
Hoffenheim

Before RB Leipzig, Hoffenheim was the most disliked club, but at least Hopp was a local businessman and SAP is based around the area. Would have much rather if he got his native Heidelberg instead, historic, lovely city with a top rated university and a sporting tradition (rugby and basketball for sure, probably also handball and ice hockey I imagine). I guess that it made more sense to him to return the favor to the club he played as a kid to rather than go to Heidelberg, but that was the way he made his choice.

He's also giving back the majority to the club, but whatever. His "damage" was done and he opened the door to RB Leipzig.

Wolfsburg was created by Volkswagen and their employees themselves, there wasn't even a city before the factories were set up in the area.
Bayer Leverkusen is pretty much funded by the Bayer pharmaceuticals and was founded by the employees. It's similar to PSV Eidhoven where the team was founded by the company for their employees to have something to do in their spare time in the middle of an industrial area.



Red Bull Leipzig as it was originally called bought out a random regional club because Germany decided they wanted to build a Leipzig stadium for the 2006 World Cup and the local teams weren't strong enough. That was because the local Leipzig clubs didn't want to sell out. This came a few years after Red Bull bought Austria Salzburg and renamed them under the brand. They are still hated all over Austria and a lot of fans of the original team refounded Austria Salzburg and are contesting the old trophies from the 90s.
Salzburg weren't really an extremely successful team in Austria apart from a great spell in the 90s, so they still managed to get the casual Salzburg people behind them. In a similar way, they managed to get the casual Leipzigers behind the team.
And funnily enough, casual Austrian football fans like RB Salzburg because they do well in Europe and it allows for all these random teams to play there as they got a good seeding. But competition has diminished. The time of Rapid Wien, Sturm Graz, Austria Wien and whatever name the Innsbruck team had is long gone.

People in Germany got used to Leverkusen, Wolfsburg and to a degree even Hoffenheim, but RB Leipzig is a foreign substance in the German football culture and considered an invader to the system. There are more voices in favor of abolishing the exceptions rather than granting even more (there were talks about something similar to RB Leipzig with a Berlin based team in the mid 2010s iirc, but forgot which company was behind that).
And specially as Red Bull as owner is just about marketing. The whole purpose of owning football club has nothing to do with sports.

 

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Unless something unreal happens, Hamburg is finally back in the Bundesliga!

A relegation battling team (that's still dropping as things stand) is winning 2-1 against Heidenheim who were 2nd before the matchday.
 

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Hanover losing 5-1 at home to a handball team is making my eyes cry
 

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Heidenheim equalised. And there are still 8 mins left. There could be more drama on this :D
 

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So two historic clubs, HSV and Stuttgart, are gonna fight for the last spot in next season Bundesliga. It's gonna be fun.
 
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